Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Vrej1915]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

it's lragir, all their news and opinions are negative about russia. infact why are we posting their drivel on this forum?

Sorry, I did not notice that we were supposed to respect a pro russian bias to be allowed to post.
When you label something stupid, or else, might be helpful if you bother to elaborate a little before...., might be interesting

NB: Blind russophylia, or any other -' phylia' is the best and shortest road to 'betrayal'.
Russia did a lot, lot of bad things/betrayals to us in the last 25 years (no matter if there were (or not?) more positive ones at the end of the day on this short period).
If not us, who will talk about? Or should we never aknowledge??
Are we still in Soviet era? 1937??
If we are allies, then we need to tell the truth eye to eye.
Russians would not bother to tell us their way of thinking, if we dare to risk kopeks of their corporate interests...., not to say national...
We should refrain, when they afford to risk our national survival for experimental gambles, every time they are offered the 'lokhum' by the turks????

[Vahram]

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"Russia did a lot, lot of bad things/betrayals to us in the last 25 years (no matter if there were (or not?) more positive ones at the end of the day on this short period)."

Sometimes you say things that pain me!

Hay enk menk...Hay enk menk, Katch Vartanin tor nenk menk!

Hay enk menk, chors had Hay manatz pitz ter Katch Vartanin tor nenk menk!

Getze Hayastan!

[Vrej1915]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

It is reality/realpolitik that is painful Vahram jan.
Nevertheless it is a fact.
Should we hide because it is painful?

If we had accepted every step Russia/or Russia's leadership tried to force on us in this last 25 years period only, I'm afraid, we would not have Artsakh today....

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ARMENIA MUST GAIN RUSSIA'S BIGGER RESPECT - EXPERT

PanARMENIAN.Net
April 20, 2012 - 15:07 AMT

PanARMENIAN.Net - Head of the Regional Studies Center dubbed Eurasian
Project as a program developed by an individual with Soviet psychology.

Richard Giragosian hailed Armenia's steps to establish long-term
cooperation with Europe, whilst naming the Eurasian Project a mere
return to the Soviet Union.

The expert noted that Russia remains an indispensable partner for
Armenia, and ties with the EU won't affect them. "Armenia is Russia's
only ally in the region. It must take steps for gaining Russia's
bigger respect," Mr. Giragosian said.

[Vahram]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

"It is reality/realpolitik that is painful Vahram jan.
Nevertheless it is a fact.
Should we hide because it is painful?"

I only said that it pains me Yekhpir Jan!

Getze Hayastan! Emm pokreeg Hayastan.

[Vahram]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Sorry I said something selfish, I say "Emm pokreeg Hayastan"

I'm sorry for this mistake, please look below for the correct thing to say

Mair Pokreeg Hayastan!

Getze Hayastan!

[Artashes]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Sorry, I did not notice that we were supposed to respect a pro russian bias to be allowed to post.
When you label something stupid, or else, might be helpful if you bother to elaborate a little before...., might be interesting

NB: Blind russophylia, or any other -' phylia' is the best and shortest road to 'betrayal'.
Russia did a lot, lot of bad things/betrayals to us in the last 25 years (no matter if there were (or not?) more positive ones at the end of the day on this short period).
If not us, who will talk about? Or should we never aknowledge??
Are we still in Soviet era? 1937??
If we are allies, then we need to tell the truth eye to eye.
Russians would not bother to tell us their way of thinking, if we dare to risk kopeks of their corporate interests...., not to say national...
We should refrain, when they afford to risk our national survival for experimental gambles, every time they are offered the 'lokhum' by the turks????

I have to strongly agree with(tell the truth eye to eye).
Although the Russians have done a number of heartfelt things for Armenia in time of great need and shown true understanding of the situation we cannot forget they have abandoned in time of great need for their own personal agenda our very lives.
Their is a great difference between geopolitics and true friendship.
We cannot afford to be confused on that.
Artashes

[HyeFighter2]

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Ha baits enger its something . If there is problem they can fix it , no need to abandon the project , they only need serious work in it , my 2 cents

urmistake we making cars from 70x do u know that? its called YERAZ we produced 3 types of cars it was kinda normal cars at that time,was an copy of russian UAZ something we added,but after 92 we sold that manufacture to turkey,huh what a stupid think to do... so maybe we dont whant to make serious cars ; ) http://www.yeraz.auto.am/

[arakeretzig]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Sorry, I did not notice that we were supposed to respect a pro russian bias to be allowed to post.
When you label something stupid, or else, might be helpful if you bother to elaborate a little before...., might be interesting

NB: Blind russophylia, or any other -' phylia' is the best and shortest road to 'betrayal'.
Russia did a lot, lot of bad things/betrayals to us in the last 25 years (no matter if there were (or not?) more positive ones at the end of the day on this short period).
If not us, who will talk about? Or should we never aknowledge??
Are we still in Soviet era? 1937??
If we are allies, then we need to tell the truth eye to eye.
Russians would not bother to tell us their way of thinking, if we dare to risk kopeks of their corporate interests...., not to say national...
We should refrain, when they afford to risk our national survival for experimental gambles, every time they are offered the 'lokhum' by the turks????

everytime i hear this from a hayastantsi, i get the feeling that they've some kind of superiority syndrome. When i ask them, what choice other than russia do you have?
suddenly, their eyes open, and it hits them, but they still deny their reality. That without russia, for last 100 years, there would be no hayastan. So the solution apparently is just stick to russia for now, until their ambiguous thought of self-reliance somehow gets realized.

[HyeFighter2]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

everytime i hear this from a hayastantsi, i get the feeling that they've some kind of superiority syndrome. When i ask them, what choice other than russia do you have?
suddenly, their eyes open, and it hits them, but they still deny their reality. That without russia, for last 100 years, there would be no hayastan. So the solution apparently is just stick to russia for now, until their ambiguous thought of self-reliance somehow gets realized.

u dont lived in armenia so u dont know how deep russia got into armenia, it is true without russia we cant be a lands becouse w have nothing to sell to other countryes to get money,i mean our economy will fall! u understand what i mean? better russia than zionist sh/*ts

[Spetsnaz]

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Azerbaijani Army killed 12 Armenian servicemen, wounded 9 in past four months – INVESTIGATION
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[ 20 Apr 2012 17:50 ]
The enemy forces became active in the direction of Gazakh, Tovuz, Fuzuli and Khojavend

Baku. Rashad Suleymanov – APA. The number of provocative actions that resulted in the violation of ceasefire by Armenian Armed Forces has increased since the beginning of this year. Military sources told APA that over 300 facts of ceasefire violation on the line of contact has been recorded since the beginning of this year. 6 servicemen of the Azerbaijani Army and one civilian were wounded. 12 servicemen of Armenian Army were killed, at least 9 wounded as a result of the counter measures. 5 Armenian servicemen serving in the units in Karabakh and on the border with Azerbaijan died of disease and in avalanche. It does not include the servicemen, who died and were injured as a result of suicides, marred relations.

The analyses show that on the state border the Armenian Armed Forces were active in Gazakh and Tovuz region, in Karabakh frontline in the direction of Fuzuli and Khojavend. The Armenians suffered heavy casualties in these directions.

Taking into account the “delicacy” of the casualties as a result of the counter measures taken by the Azerbaijani Army, Armenian Defense Ministry sent early in February instructions to the military units deployed in the battle zone (especially in Karabakh) and ordered to “mask the incidents to prevent the enemy from obtaining information”. According to the instructions, the medical services of the military units and hospitals were told to “reduce the number of deaths from enemy fire”, to attribute the casualties to the negligent handling of weapon or to mine blast. With the view of “preventing the enemy’s radio reconnaissance from being informed” the units on the line contact were also banned from naming via radio aids the servicemen wounded or killed during the battles.

Experts consider that the Armenian Army has become the victim of the private interests of Armenian military-political leadership and is suffering heavier casualties compared to the previous years. That’s why, the opposite side is doing its best to mask the number of casualties and hide it from the people.

The casualties of the Armenian Army on the frontline since December 29, 2011:

On December 30, at 17.15, soldier Gevorg Yegiazaryan was seriously wounded as a result of the measures taken against the Armenian Army that attempted to violate ceasefire in the direction of Khojavend region. Armenian Defense Ministry hid this fact from the people till January 3. When Armenian media knew about it the wounded soldier had been admitted to the central hospital in Yerevan. Nothing is known about him.

January 5, 02.30. A soldier called Vanoyan was wounded as the opposite side violated ceasefire near Horadiz village of Fuzuli region.


January 19. A soldier called Ruben was killed as the opposite side attempted to violate ceasefire in the direction of Fuzuli region.

January 27, 03.05. Paylak Shahnazaryan, who was doing his military service basing on contract in one of the regiments of the Armenian Army in Karabakh, was wounded in the head and died as a result of the measures taken by the Azerbaijani soldiers in retaliation for the violation of ceasefire.

February 3, 17.00. Karlen Bagdasaryan, soldier of “Karabakh Armenian Army” was killed as a result of the measures taken in retaliation for the violation of ceasefire in the direction of Horadiz village of Fuzuli region.

February 5, 19.20. Marat Dimaksyan serving in one of the Armenian regiments, was killed as the Armenian Army violated ceasefire in the direction of Fuzuli. Two days later the Armenian side said it happened as a result of the negligent handling of the weapon. But pro-opposition Armenian media and the soldier’s relatives said the Defense Ministry’s statement was a lie.

February 14, 06.05. Armenian serviceman Karlen Ovanesyan serving in one of the Armenian regiments in Karabakh was killed as a result of the measures taken in retaliation for the violation of ceasefire in the direction of Khojavend.

February 23, 13.50. Armenian soldier Albert Adibekyan was killed by Azerbaijani soldiers in the battle against the Armenian Army that violated ceasefire on the state border in the direction of Gazakh region.

February 25, 02.30. Preventive measures were taken against the Armenian subversive group that attempted to cross the neutral line near the frontline in Gazakh. Arman Sedrakyan doing military service basing on contract in the Armenian Army was wounded in abdomen. The group retreated and pulled the wounded soldier form the battle field.

February 29, 09.30. Tigran Varyan serving in Murovdagh in the direction of Kalbajar was killed as a result of the violation of ceasefire. Azerbaijani servicemen, who witnessed the incident, say the enemy soldier was wounded and rolled into the valley. His voice was heard from the valley till afternoon, but his fellow soldiers did not attempt to pull him out of the valley. Spokesman for Armenian Defense Ministry linked the fact to “negligent handling of weapon by soldier”. The soldier’s parents did not believe it.

March 3. An Armenian soldier was wounded as a result of the violation of ceasefire in the direction of Gazakh region. The wounded soldier was taken from the advanced post by ambulance.

March 14, 06.25. Corporal Sevay Aslikyan was killed as a result of the violation of ceasefire near Chinari village of Tavush province on border with Gazakh region.

March 19, 03.05. Major Artak Shahbazyan, officer of the Armenian Army’s special battalion in Noyenberyan making preparations for the subversive actions against the positions of Azerbaijan near Chinari village of Tavush province, was killed as a result of the preventive measures in the neutral zone.

March 21, 2012. 23.00. Armenian serviceman, who violated ceasefire in Gazakhlar village of Azerbaijan’s Fuzuli region, was killed. Armenians didn’t announce his name.

March 31, 2012. 04.00. Armenia’s contract soldiers Khoren Saribekyan, Ovannes Vardanyan and senior lieutenant Marat Grigoryan serving near Chinari village of Tavush region were wounded. Armenian Defense Ministry concealed the fact from the public community till April 7, but various agencies reported about this fact. Besides, the Defense Ministry issued a statement about the servicemen hitting a mine in neutral zone. It was reported that Azerbaijani servicemen prevented Armenian raiding force in neutral zone. Azerbaijani soldiers used 14.5-mm Istiglal gun and fragmentation projectiles in this fight.

April 9, 2012. Two Armenian contract servicemen went missing in Murovdagh avalanche. The incident concealed from the public community till April 13. The search operations, which were carried out till April 13, were unsuccessful. No details have been reported still.

April 10, 2012. Short-term fights and violation of ceasefire occurred in the direction of Fuzuli region of Azerbaijan at night. According to radio recordings, Armenian soldier served in the occupied village of Garakhanbeyli was killed and another was wounded. Armenians informed the centre about loss and called emergency service. But the names of wounded and killed soldiers were not reported.

April 18, 2012. Armenian raiding force was render harmless while trying to enter the Azerbaijani region of Gazakh from Chinari and Aygezor villages of Armenia’s Tavush region. 22-year-old Armenian soldier Zorik Makaryan was killed and Karen Movsesyan, 22 was wounded.

April 20, 2012. 07.00. Aram Barsegyan was wounded as a result of operations against Armenian Army, who violated ceasefire in the direction of Khojavend region of Azerbaijan. He was hospitalized in Asgaran.

Besides, the Armenian army command tried to conceal information about soldiers dead or suffered from diseases, negative cases existing in the military units situated on borders with Azerbaijan. It was identified that some information was removed from websites. According to the Azerbaijani side, last December, cases of infectious disease were identified among the Armenian forces deployed in the occupied territories in Azerbaijan’s Khojavend region. Soldier Ayk Khachaturyan and one more soldier, who name was not announced, were killed as a result of disease. Azerbaijani side took preventive measures against the infectious diseases. Chief of the Armenian Defense Ministry’s medical service arrived in Karabakh.

Armenian soldier Narek Martirosian, who caught pleurisy while serving in the forces deployed in the occupied territories in Karabakh, died in the central clinic of Armenian Defense Ministry on February 20.

On April 7, soldier Ayk Kazarian, who was serving in the military unit on the borders with Nakhchivan, died in Sisyan hospital. The criminal case was launched into the fact on charges of habitual negligence in office. According to reports, sergeant of the unit where the soldier was serving forced him to stay outside in cold and frosty weather.

Head of Armenia’s “Army and reality” civil movement Shovinat Nazarian in his interview to the local media outlets said that the Armenian military leadership concealed the incidents from the public community. According to him, the defense ministry and its experts accuse such protesters of helping the enemy and discrediting the army: “Indeed, they want the people not to talk about problems in army, because it is unbeneficial for them to solve this problem, there are problems of violence, psychological pressure, illegal relations and death cases in the army. We see main reasons in corruption, as well as heritage from the soviet army and desire to use the army in politics”.

He didn’t agree with the statements of Armenian Defense Ministry on decrease of death cases in the army and said that it was incorrect: “In cases, when you hear reports about the death of soldiers every week, I don’t think that the incidents decrease. This statistics is only for the defense minister, but the tragedy of families is not a statistics for us”.