Re: Azerbaijan - Internal Political Affairs
Hi Federate, in response you are correct. I've excerpted an explanation I wrote to Mos on a similar topic (copied below); Iran-Zamin (technically "The Land of the Aryans") has smaller constituent groups (mostly on its border regions, for example: SouthWest = small minority of Arabs; NorthEast = small population of Turkmen (not to be confused with Azeris); Western Border = small population of Kurds); Parskahye = all over but with a historic presence in Shiraz & Tehran (Parskahye = Persian-Armenians, from the prefix "Pars"). You are correct: Iran has no problem with any group in the abstract, unless they want to exert a pretext for separatism and turmoil). The word Persian comes the prefix Pars (Iran's cultural capital is called Pars); it's combined with the suffix "ian," meaning "to originate from," thus Pars + ian = Persian (Greeks used the spelling "Pers" = Pers + ian - Pers-opolis). There is a city called Pars-Abad that's walking distance from Armenia (it means "City of Persians") - one of the reasons we know the Turks have screwed over the Armenians is that we have been next door neighbors for thousands of years; Parskahye have always been good citizens of Iran, allies since the times of antiquity, and brothers (intermarriage & shared houses of nobility). In the Azeri/Azari context, my response to Mos is below, and I think it's useful for Armenians to know in formulating their strategy. The real enemy is Pan-Turkism and its supporters. Pan-Turkists have literally been stealing Persian, Armenian, & Georgian history and using it as their own to justify expansion and land theft. Basically, they're causing a huge nuisance in the neighborhood, and it is about time we banded together as neighbors to say "enough is enough."
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(Asked by Mos) I agree with that, but then why are the Iranian authorities so afraid of the Azari minority wanting to succeed?
ANSWER: The Grey Wolf "Turkic-Azeris" send agents into the Persian-Azari population and try to sell them a false bill of goods that they are Turks (a concept sometimes called 'Pan Turkism.') (Information about Pan-Turkism and its dangers:http://www.rozanehma...azariINDEX.HTML)
* Persian-Azaris = on Armenia's side & vastly greater in numbers (millions).
* Pan-Turkic Azeris = Bad guys (like Aliyev/Grey Wolves) & are a small handful of trouble-makers (but they are the ruling elite of The Republic of Azerbaijan).
It's important to note that the name Azerbaijan is a stolen word - it's originally Persian not Turkic; "The Republic of Azerbaijan" needed a pretense to make a country, and they *borrowed* (without asking) that word. The so-called minority population the government of Iran impedes are spies, provocateurs ("inciting agents"), or brainwashed kids being used to put pressure on Iran. (Here's how it works: A spy agency sends in a bunch of cash, gets a handful of people to push for *minority rights* and tries to build a critical mass of followers under the sole pretense of causing ethnic strife to put pressure on the leadership of the country (under an implied threat of separatism) - the government of Iran then rounds them up (and the rest isn't pleasant!).
What are the implications for Armenians? Well can you imagine what would happen if the Pan-Turkists brainwashed a million or two Persians living on the border with Armenia into thinking they are ethnic Turks who should join Aliyev? If I was Armenian, I would volunteer to give the handful of separatists in Iran a beat-down. We know that Stalin and Grey Wolves employed this tactic - after the USSR folded, a number of Russian secret documents were de-classified from Stalin's era, and admitted the tactic.
"The Republic of Azerbaijan" is a Pan-Turkic entity - in contrast, the province of Azerbaijan in Iran is mostly Persian, but because of a recent historical phenomenon (one of Iran's most hated Shahs made good friends with the Turks and decided to conduct government business in Turkish) people in Northern Iran had their language changed to a Turkic dialect due to commerce etc. with the Turks. However, their original language for several thousand years was 'Pahlavi' (Middle Persian). Thus, the Grey Wolves et al. think that because of the recent language change in the North of Iran, they can sell Persian-Azaris the idea that they are ethnic Turks. The government of Iran has told people to stop speaking that B.S. language, and revert back to their Persian mother-tongue.
I noticed that there was a guy on this site named "Azar" - he was a Persian-Azari (= friendly to Armenia).
Another way of thinking about this issue: Imagine that Armenia starts doing business with China, and the leadership of Armenia foolishly decides to switch the Armenian state language to Chinese to foster commerce with China. After a while, some Armenians start speaking a dialect of Chinese. Then imagine that the Chinese start calling themselves *Armenians* and sending paid agents to Armenia to convince gullible Armenian kids that the Chinese are also Armenians and that they should separate a portion of Armenia and fuse it with Hong Kong. In essence, this is what the "Republic of Azerbaijan" is -- a pure contrivance based on stolen terminology. What allowed this to happen? Baku fell under Russia's (and later Stalin's) control for about 150 years, and Stalin felt that he needed a buffer zone because the Persian Empire was a threat to him - so he actively encouraged Pan-Turkism to give Russia a territorial buffer zone. There are a lot of great books written about this; and if you speak Persian, some of it is actually pretty funny because Stalin misapplied a lot of words and concepts. For example, ask an Azer-Turk to explain why they live in a country named after the Persian General of the Persian King Darius whose name was Azer-ba-gan ("protected by fire") - they have no answer. What's funny is that the Azerbaboons now admit that they stole the word -- From the Azerbaboon Official Government Site: "4th-3rd century BC – Darius III’s (Persian King of Kings) General Atropat is made King of Media Minor. Thus, the land is named after him as 'Atoorpatkan'." (http://www.azembassy.org.uk/sehife.p...=eng&page=0105.)
Of course everyone knows that Darius the Great was a Persian King (e.g., most of the ancient ruins like Persopolis are in Iran near the town of Shiraz where a lot of Persian-Armenians are also from).
QUESTION TO ASK AZERI-TURKS: Why is your 'Turkic' country named after a Persian General who served a Persian King? (Incidentally, the Kingdom of Armenia existed at that time and was a recognized subdivision of the Persian empire - an ally.)
ANSWER: The Grey Wolf "Turkic-Azeris" send agents into the Persian-Azari population and try to sell them a false bill of goods that they are Turks (a concept sometimes called 'Pan Turkism.') (Information about Pan-Turkism and its dangers:http://www.rozanehma...azariINDEX.HTML)
* Persian-Azaris = on Armenia's side & vastly greater in numbers (millions).
* Pan-Turkic Azeris = Bad guys (like Aliyev/Grey Wolves) & are a small handful of trouble-makers (but they are the ruling elite of The Republic of Azerbaijan).
It's important to note that the name Azerbaijan is a stolen word - it's originally Persian not Turkic; "The Republic of Azerbaijan" needed a pretense to make a country, and they *borrowed* (without asking) that word. The so-called minority population the government of Iran impedes are spies, provocateurs ("inciting agents"), or brainwashed kids being used to put pressure on Iran. (Here's how it works: A spy agency sends in a bunch of cash, gets a handful of people to push for *minority rights* and tries to build a critical mass of followers under the sole pretense of causing ethnic strife to put pressure on the leadership of the country (under an implied threat of separatism) - the government of Iran then rounds them up (and the rest isn't pleasant!).
What are the implications for Armenians? Well can you imagine what would happen if the Pan-Turkists brainwashed a million or two Persians living on the border with Armenia into thinking they are ethnic Turks who should join Aliyev? If I was Armenian, I would volunteer to give the handful of separatists in Iran a beat-down. We know that Stalin and Grey Wolves employed this tactic - after the USSR folded, a number of Russian secret documents were de-classified from Stalin's era, and admitted the tactic.
"The Republic of Azerbaijan" is a Pan-Turkic entity - in contrast, the province of Azerbaijan in Iran is mostly Persian, but because of a recent historical phenomenon (one of Iran's most hated Shahs made good friends with the Turks and decided to conduct government business in Turkish) people in Northern Iran had their language changed to a Turkic dialect due to commerce etc. with the Turks. However, their original language for several thousand years was 'Pahlavi' (Middle Persian). Thus, the Grey Wolves et al. think that because of the recent language change in the North of Iran, they can sell Persian-Azaris the idea that they are ethnic Turks. The government of Iran has told people to stop speaking that B.S. language, and revert back to their Persian mother-tongue.
I noticed that there was a guy on this site named "Azar" - he was a Persian-Azari (= friendly to Armenia).
Another way of thinking about this issue: Imagine that Armenia starts doing business with China, and the leadership of Armenia foolishly decides to switch the Armenian state language to Chinese to foster commerce with China. After a while, some Armenians start speaking a dialect of Chinese. Then imagine that the Chinese start calling themselves *Armenians* and sending paid agents to Armenia to convince gullible Armenian kids that the Chinese are also Armenians and that they should separate a portion of Armenia and fuse it with Hong Kong. In essence, this is what the "Republic of Azerbaijan" is -- a pure contrivance based on stolen terminology. What allowed this to happen? Baku fell under Russia's (and later Stalin's) control for about 150 years, and Stalin felt that he needed a buffer zone because the Persian Empire was a threat to him - so he actively encouraged Pan-Turkism to give Russia a territorial buffer zone. There are a lot of great books written about this; and if you speak Persian, some of it is actually pretty funny because Stalin misapplied a lot of words and concepts. For example, ask an Azer-Turk to explain why they live in a country named after the Persian General of the Persian King Darius whose name was Azer-ba-gan ("protected by fire") - they have no answer. What's funny is that the Azerbaboons now admit that they stole the word -- From the Azerbaboon Official Government Site: "4th-3rd century BC – Darius III’s (Persian King of Kings) General Atropat is made King of Media Minor. Thus, the land is named after him as 'Atoorpatkan'." (http://www.azembassy.org.uk/sehife.p...=eng&page=0105.)
Of course everyone knows that Darius the Great was a Persian King (e.g., most of the ancient ruins like Persopolis are in Iran near the town of Shiraz where a lot of Persian-Armenians are also from).
QUESTION TO ASK AZERI-TURKS: Why is your 'Turkic' country named after a Persian General who served a Persian King? (Incidentally, the Kingdom of Armenia existed at that time and was a recognized subdivision of the Persian empire - an ally.)
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