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Azerbaijan: Popular Frustration Explodes in Provincial Town
January 24, 2013 - 12:12pm, by Shahin Abbasov
An auto wreck reportedly involving the son of a powerful politician sparked a rampage by residents in a provincial center in Azerbaijan. The incident suggests that Azerbaijan – an energy-rich Caspian Basin state, and a place where a small coterie around President Ilham Aliyev controls most economic opportunities while steadily restricting civil rights – could be heading toward a bursting point.
Rioting erupted in Ismayilli, a regional center roughly 200 kilometers (about 124 miles) northwest of Azerbaijan’s capital Baku, during the night of January 23. Law enforcement officials struggled to contain the violence, and it wasn’t until massive reinforcements arrived from neighboring areas that order was restored during the late afternoon of January 24. According to eyewitness accounts, several waves of clashes occurred, and police used tear gas and rubber bullets against rioters. Police cars also used megaphones to broadcast calls for crowds to disperse. In response protesters chanted “Resign” and “Freedom,” while hurling rocks and brickbats at police.
Ismayilli is currently in lockdown condition, with civilians ordered to remain indoors and all routes into and out of town blocked. Any male seen outdoors is being detained for questioning, local observers told EurasiaNet.org. According to Interior Ministry data, four people, including one police officer were hospitalized amid the rioting. Dozens were reportedly taken into official custody.
The mood in Ismayilli remained tense, and news agencies reported that fresh clashes involving hundreds of locals and security forces broke out after sundown on January 24.
The region is home to a powerful Azeri family, the Alakbarovs. Fizuli Alakbarov is the country’s minister of labor and social protection, and his brother, Nizami, is the regional governor.
According to a report distributed by the Turan News Agency, Vugar Alakbarov, a son of the labor minister, appeared to be a central figure in the disturbance. Alakbaraov was allegedly in a Humvee sports utility vehicle that collided with a local taxi outside a hotel in the evening of January 23. The property reportedly is owned by Nizami Alakbarov. No injuries were reported in the crash, but, according to witnesses, Vugar Alakbarov assaulted the taxi driver while local police did nothing to intervene. The seeming sense of impunity with which Vugar Alakbarov acted outraged onlookers, setting in motion an upward spiral of emotion that culminated in pitched street battles involving thousands of locals and initially overwhelmed law-enforcement authorities.
Property belonging to the Alakbarovs appeared to be the prime target of the rioters. The Humvee reportedly driven by Vugar Alakbarov and another auto were torched, as was the Hotel Chirag that supposedly belonged to his uncle. The mob then moved on to a villa believed to be owned by Nizami Alakbarov, ransacking it and burning two cars in the courtyard. Later, rioters destroyed commercial facilities in town allegedly owned by Alakbarov family.
The scope of the mob's fury sent authorities both in Ismayilli and Baku into full spin mode. Local police officials and, later, Azerbaijan’s Interior Ministry issued statements denying that the minister’s son, Vugar Alakbarov, had been involved in the incident. According to local police, Alakbarov was not in the region at that day. An Interior Ministry statement asserted that the trouble was provoked by the Chirag Hotel’s manager, Emil Shamsaddinov, and an associate, identified as Elmaddin Mammadov. “Both have been detained by police,” according to the ministry statement.
Meanwhile, the Mediaforum.az news agency distributed an interview on January 24 with the local governor, Nizami Alakbarov, who also insisted that no member of the Alakbarov clan was involved. “Neither my nephew, nor any other relative was there,” Nizami Alakbarov claimed.
The governor went on to suggest that provocateurs were to blame for manufacturing a crisis. “Some aggressive forces pointed the crowd to my house and pogrom was organized,” he said.
Local residents vigorously dispute official statements, insisting that Vugar Alakbarov was at the center of the incident. “We [local residents] are not idiots to make a pogrom if he was not there. Vugar is known in the region, and it was he who was beating a taxi driver there,” one protest participant, who did not want to be named for fear of official retribution, told Eurasianet.org by telephone on January 24.
The witness added that frustration among locals was high with Nizami Alakbarov’s leadership, which he described as high-handed and “repressive.”
“People are unhappy with the corruption and obstacles [hindering] farmers and businessmen that are created by the local administration. We are tired with unemployment, poverty, corruption and the climate of fear,” the local resident said.
Lending credence to the witness’ claim of widespread frustration with Alakbarov’s administration, news reports and videos posted on social networks showed rioters during the morning of January 24 gathering outside Ismayilli’s executive authority building and calling for Alakbarov’s resignation. The governor in his published comments gave no hint that he was contemplating resigning.
Musa Yagub, a former MP from the Ismayilli region, said in an interview with Azadliq Radio that the unrest was the outgrowth of abuse of power on the part of authorities. “It was clear that people are angry and not happy with their life. But local officials continued corrupt practices and even offended people,” Yagub said.
Ali Hasanov, an aide to President Aliyev’s office, told to APA news agency that “those responsible for organizing unrest in Ismayilli have already been detained and of course all of them will be punished.” Aliyev is in Switzerland, participating in Davos economic forum.
In March 2012 a similar outburst of unrest occurred in the Guba Region, resulting in the resignation of the governor there, Rauf Habibov. It is not immediately clear if Aliyev’s administration will take action to push Nizami Alakbarov out of office in Ismayilli.
Editor's note: Shahin Abbasov is a freelance reporter based in Baku.
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excuse for Armenia not washing properly
There are no positive posts from you, in fact you always degrade the conversation. You start off a post with some off statement, followed by racial insults targeted at Armenians, all of them.
You really are brave behind that keyboard aren't you?...LOL
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No i think there is plenty to complain about in these countries and yes most of the issues these guys are protesting about do exist in Armenia also. I just dont like the implication that armenians cut n run as if the azeris are so much braver or patriotic or whatever you were implying.
Originally posted by bell-the-cat View PostI am talking about Azerbaijan, not Turkey.
....and you seem to be resorting to the old "don't complain that I stink like something awful - coz my neighbour is even smellier" excuse for Armenia not washing properly. Most of the problems in Azerbaijan also exist in Armenia - and it is only the oil wealth in Azerbaijan and its concentration in so few hands, and the fact that Aliyev and his clan are so visible and so unabashed in their excesses, that makes the Azeri situation so newsworthy.
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24.01.2013
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Արդեն երկրորդ օրն է, ինչ պահպանվում է լարվածությունը Բաքվից ոչ հեռու գտնվող ադրբեջանական Իսմայիլլի քաղաքում. նախօրեին այստեղ հազարավոր մարդիկ են փողոց դուրս եկել՝ տեղական իշխանությունների դեմ:
Հաղորդվում է, որ զայրացած ցուցարարները մի քանի ավտոմեքենա են հրկիզել, այրել են քաղաքի հյուրանոցն ու ողջ գիշեր շրջապատման մեջ պահել համայնքապետի տունը՝ պահանջելով վերջինիս հրաժարականը:
Առավոտյան արդեն կենտրոնական իշխանությունը ստիպված է եղել հավելյալ ուժեր ուղարկել Իսմայիլլի: Հաղորդվում է, որ ոստիկանները արցունքաբեր գազ եւ մահակներ են կիրառել՝ զայրացած ամբոխը ցրելու համար, ինչին ցուցարարները արձագանքել են քարերով ու փայտերով: Կան վիրավորներ, թեեւ հստակ թվերի մասին հաղորդումներ չկան:
Առայժմ հստակ չեն նաեւ տեղեկությունները ցույցի դրդապատճառների վերաբերյալ: Որոշ աղբյուրների համաձայն, դժգոհության պատճառ է դարձել առողջարանային քաղաքի կենտրոնում գտնվող հյուրանոցներից մեկը, որն իրականում գործել է որպես անառականոց: «Ասոշիեյթեդ փրես»-ը, մինչդեռ, հաղորդում է, թե մարդկանց զայրացրել է նույն հյուրանոցի մոտ տեղի ունեցած ավտովթարը` այդ հյուրանոցի սեփականատիրոջ` 22-ամյա էմիլ Շամսադինովի մասնակցությամբ: Ականատեսների վկայությամբ, երիտասարդը իր շքեղ մեքենան վարել է անսթափ վիճակում, արդյունքում բախվել է էլեկտրասյանը, ապա՝ մայթեզրին կայանված հին, խորհրդային արտադրության մի մեքենայի: Ընդ որում, վթարից հետո ոչ թե ներողություն է հայցել մեքենայի տիրոջից, այլ հայհոյել ու ծեծի ենթարկել վերջինիս:
Հաղորդվում է, որ համաքաղաքացուն պաշտպանելու համար օգնության են եկել նրա ընկերներն ու պատահական անցորդներ: Շուտով այս վիճաբանությունը դարձել է «իսկական կրակ», որի մեջ են հայտնվել հյուրանոցն ու քաղաքապետը, ում հետ, ըստ հաղորդումների, հարուստ երիտասարդը բարեկամական կապեր ունի: «Թե ինչ է տեղի ունեցել իրականում՝ այս պահին դժվար է ասել, սակայն ակնհայտ է, որ տեղի ունեցածն ընդամենը մի կայծ էր, որից բռնկվել է տարիներով կուտակված դժգոհությունն ու ցասումը», - փաստում են ադրբեջանցի լրագրողները:
«Այս անկարգությունները կարծես քաղաքական դրդապատճառ չունեին, սակայն, կրկին ի ցույց դրեցին նավթով ու գազով հարուստ այս երկրում տարածված համընդհանուր հիասթափությունը եւ հարուստների ու աղքատների միջեւ առաջացած անդունդը», - իր հերթին փաստում է «Ասոշիեյթեդ փրես»-ը: «Ռոյթերզ» գործակալությունը նույնպես հիշեցնում է, որ Ադրբեջանի նախագահը շարունակական քննադատության է ենթարկվում արեւեմտյան կառույցների կողմից՝ բռնապետական կառավարման, համատարած կոռուպցիայի եւ մարդու իրավունքները ոտնահարելու համար:
Նշենք, որ սա վերջին օրերի ընթացքում Ադրբեջանում արձանագրված արդեն երկրորդ բողոքի ցույցն է: Շաբաթ օրը հարյուրավոր առեւտրականներ փակել էին Բաքվից դեպի օդանավակայան տանող մայրուղին՝ բողոքելով տեղական իշխանությունների կողմից պարտադրված նոր հարկերի դեմ: Դրանից մեկ շաբաթ առաջ էլ հենց մայրաքաղաքում հարյուրավոր մարդիկ էին հավաքվել կենտրոնական հրապարակում՝ պահանջելով բանակում զինվորի սպանության արդար հետաքննություն:
Անդրադառնալով բողոքի այս ալիքներին՝ արեւմտյան լրատվամիջոցները փաստում են, որ դրանք հիմնականում կազմակերպվում են ինքնաբուխ կամ սոցիալական ցանցերի օգնությամբ՝ առանց քաղաքական ուժերի եւ ընդդիմության ակնհայտ օժանդակության:
«Այս ամենը ցույց է տալիս, որ Ադրբեջանի հասարակությունը հոգնել է կառավարությունից եւ լուրջ փոփոխությունների կարիք ունի», - «Թուրան» գործակալությանն ասել է քաղաքագետ էլդար Նամազովը եւ մանրամասնել. - «Մենք բազմիցս ենք զգուշացրել իշխանություններին: Սայլը, սակայն, տեղից չի շարժվում»:
Այդուամենայնիվ, ակնհայտ է, որ կենտրոնական իշխանությունը այժմ լրջորեն անհանգստացած է պայթյունավտանգ այս միջադեպերից, որոնք կարող են լայնածավալ բնույթ ստանալ հոկտեմբերին նախատեսված նախագահական ընտրությունների նախաշեմին:
«Ազատություն» ռադիոկայանի ադրբեջանական ծառայության թղթակիցները հաղորդում են, որ այժմ իշխանություններն անում են հնարավորը՝ Իսմայիլլիում ցույցը ցրելու, կարգուկանոն հաստատելու եւ, որ ամենակարեւորն է, անկարգությունների մասին տեղեկություններն ու տեսանյութերը արգելափակելու համար: Այս պահին քաղաք տանող ճանապարհները փակ են, ինտերնետի մատչելիությունը՝ սահմանափակ: Ոստիկանները բարձրախոսներով կոչ են անում ցուցարարներին ցրվել, ինչին, սակայն վերջիններս չեն ենթարկվում:
«Ոստիկաններն արդեն երկրորդ օրն է, որ մեր քաղաքում արցունքաբեր գազ ու նռնակներ են պայթեցնում: Նրանք մեր երեխաներին են թունավորում, արդեն զզվել ենք այս ամենից, կուշտ ենք մինչեւ կոկորդներս», - «Ազատություն» ռադիոկայանի հետ զրույցում ասել է ցուցարարներից մեկը:
«Ազատ Եվրոպա/Ազատություն» ռադիոկայան © 2013
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Re: Azerbaijan - Internal Political Affairs
Originally posted by Haykakan View PostYou choose to disregard the hoards of turkish immigrants in so many european nations ie Germany, France..? Guess they just moved there for the museums.
....and you seem to be resorting to the old "don't complain that I stink like something awful - coz my neighbour is even smellier" excuse for Armenia not washing properly. Most of the problems in Azerbaijan also exist in Armenia - and it is only the oil wealth in Azerbaijan and its concentration in so few hands, and the fact that Aliyev and his clan are so visible and so unabashed in their excesses, that makes the Azeri situation so newsworthy.Last edited by bell-the-cat; 01-24-2013, 09:25 AM.
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Re: Azerbaijan - Internal Political Affairs
Originally posted by Federate View PostI don't think this is an Arab Spring kind of thing, Azeris are too fond of Aliyev to topple him. An event similar to what happened today in Ismayilli happened last year in Guba where 10,000 rioted because of a governor insulting their province. The rioters actually carried photos of Aliyev and demanded he save them from the governor by removing him and what not. Died down the next day... we'll see where this goes but so far, it looks like a repeat to me. They burned down the local administration's office and attacked his son's vehicles.
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Re: Azerbaijan - Internal Political Affairs
You choose to disregard the hoards of turkish immigrants in so many european nations ie Germany, France..? Guess they just moved there for the museums.
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Re: Azerbaijan - Internal Political Affairs
Originally posted by Federate View PostJanuary 24, 2013
Thousands of people have protested in a town in Azerbaijan, setting fire to cars and buildings, including a hotel and the residence of a local governor.
RFE/RL correspondents say authorities have dispatched additional police following the unrest in the evening on January 23 in Ismayilli region, some 150 kilometers northwest of the capital Baku.
Protesters were demanding the resignation of the local governor, Nizami Alekberov.
The unrest reportedly was triggered by a car accident involving the owner of the "Chirag" hotel.
RFE/RL correspondents say authorities have ignored repeated calls by local residents to shut down the hotel, the site of an alleged brothel.
The hotel and governor's residence were seriously damaged by fire.
Protesters also targeted luxury cars.
There were no reports of arrests or injuries.
http://www.rferl.org/content/azerbai.../24882059.html
Perhaps Vahram, this forum's expert in genetics, can tell us if the difference in response is a result of that "different DNA" between Armenians and Azeris he seems to know so much about?
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Re: Azerbaijan - Internal Political Affairs
Originally posted by Haykakan View PostAzerbaijani Police Fires Rubber Bullets, Tear Gas at Protesting Small
Business Owners
BAKU. January 19, 2013. Azerbaijani police fired rubber bullets and
tear gas and used truncheons today against protesting small business
owner at `Bina' shopping center in capital Baku's suburbs, according
to local media reports.
Over thousand shopkeepers blocked the highway that links Baku to
coastal cities and staged a protest. Another 5,000 shop owners also
have kept their businesses shut today in a sign of solidarity with the
protesters.
Some protesters threw stones in retaliation to the police attacks and
clashes erupted between the business owners and the police. Protesters
managed to hold for about few hours, before being dispersed by the
police. Both protesters and police were reported to sustain injuries
and about 15-25 protesters were detained according to different
reports. Local media and social websites also informed about the
detained protesters being severely beaten by the police.
The shopkeepers were voicing their objections against rent increases
for conducting business at the shopping center and against a new law
that requires them to install cash registers at their small shops. The
protesters told to the media that they had to pay ever increasing sums
for being allowed to conduct their business at the center.
`Bina' shopping center is one of the largest in the country, housing
thousands of small shops trading all kinds of consumer goods. The
ownership of the shopping center is being tracked by local observers
to the head of presidential administration Ramiz Mehdiyev, who is
directly implicated in the ongoing scandal over saleof parliamentary
seats in exchange for large bribes and the death of a key witness,
which is unraveling on the hidden cam videos being released online.
Smaller actions by business owners had taken place at the shopping
centers in Azerbaijan before, but the Bina protest today was the
biggest and most violent confrontation by business owners and the
authorities.
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