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The Struggle in Javakhk
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Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests
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Re: The Struggle in Javakhk
COURT BATTLE: JAVAKHK ARMENIAN CHARGES GEORGIAN AUTHORITIES WITH DISCRIMINATION BASED ON NATIONALITY
Kristine Aghalaryan
00:03, November 19, 2015
Lyova Kobelyan, director of the Department of Ninotzminda Life Services
Ltd., is in a tug of war with the Georgian courts. He claims that he
is being discriminated just for being Armenian.
Kobelyan is a 44% shareholder in Ninotzminda Life Services. The other
56% is owned by the government. The company owns two stone production
units (one of which is currently working) and an administrative
building. He still hasn't been able to register his private property
rights for them.
The Georgian real estate cadastre has refused to register these assets
since 2010.
Kobelyan claims that the cadastre agency is violating presidential
decree 525 15.09.2007 and his company's charter. This decree defines
the process of reorganization and privatization registry for companies
with partial state ownership.
Kobelyan says that there are 323 companies in Georgia that have been
created due to reorganization. Ninotzminda Life Services was also
formed through reorganization. All the other companies have long
since completed the process of registering their property rights.
"Of the 323 companies, I am the only Armenian director. That's
the reason they haven't registered me. This is nationality based
discrimination," said Kobelyan.
Kobelyan has, on numerous occasions, petitioned the Georgian public
registry to register the stone production units and building as company
property. The registry has demanded various documents, delayed the
process, and, in the end, refused to register them. Kobelyan has
filed all the necessary paperwork.
Last December, Kobelyan petitioned the regional court. His suit
was thrown out given that the public registry refused to register
the assets.
"There's a judicial show going on at the Akhalkalak regional court. I,
as the company president and shareholder, cannot defend the company's
ownership rights in court. The decree of the Georgian president isn't
being executed," Kobelyan told Hetq.
He claims that the Akhalkalak court judge, with the backing of the
higher courts, has it in for him.
"I have the following question. As the company president and 44%
shareholder where must I go to defend the company's interests? I
would like to know if there is any justice to be had at the Akhalkalak
regional court," said Kobelyan.
Despite this setback, Kobelyan battles on. He has appealed the regional
court's decision.
Kobelyan has many years of experience 'fighting it out' with Georgian
law enforcement.
Years ago, he exported basalt from the same stone production unit
to Russia. This fact, coupled with his active public activities,
wasn't to the liking of the Georgians who started to complicate
economic matters for him. After a seven year battle in the courts,
Kobelyan was partially exonerated and partially fined.
Kobelyan took the case to the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR),
filing a complaint regarding the long duration of the criminal case
and its result. He demanded 1.1 million Euros in material damage.
The ECHR has documented that Georgia's legal system unjustly violated
the principle of examining the case within a reasonable timeframe. The
ECHR has also obligated the Georgian government to pay Kobelyan 1,000
Euros in compensation.
Kobelyan says he's the only person in Javakhk who has taken his case
to the ECHR and won.
He says he just might take the stone production units registry case
to the ECHR as well.
Hayastan or Bust.
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GEORGIAN AUTHORITIES BANNED ARMENIAN EXPERT IN MONUMENTS SAMVEL KARAPETYAN'S ENTRY TO GEORGIA
14:52, 16 December, 2015
ARMENIA, DECEMBER 16, ARMENPRESS. Famous Armenian expert in monuments,
historian and chairman of the Yerevan office of Foundation for Research
on Armenian Architecture Samvel Karapetyan has appeared in the list of
undesirable persons in Georgia. On October 18, his entry was banned
at a checkpoint of Sadakhlo. "Armenpress" reports in an interview
with journalists Samvel Karapetyan said that he had never broken the
laws of Georgia, and that he is confident the ban is connected with
his professional activities.
It is already many years that the expert examines the Armenian
monuments in the neighboring country which have been destroyed, usurped
or have appeared in a poor condition. In order to gather the details,
he organized a 10-day expedition to Georgia which did not take place
because of the mentioned prohibition on entry. "Our entire group passed
the border and I was the last one. I encountered problems crossing the
Georgian border back in 2011; I was always detained at the checkpoint
for 10-15 minutes. This time I was held for 35 minutes, and then an
officer told me that I was banned to enter", Karapetyan said.
Receiving no explanation for the ban, Samvel Karapetyan wrote to
Ambassador of Georgia to Armenia Tengiz Sharmanashvili, Minister
of Culture of Armenia Hasmik Poghosyan, but has not yet received
a response.
Back in 1995 Samvel Karapetyan published a brochure in which he
enlisted 650 Armenian churches with the description of their condition
and exact indication of the addresses.
According to Karapetyan, the process of appropriation and destruction
of monuments of Armenian architecture in Georgia is organized at a
state level, as the construction of the Cathedral on the site of the
Armenian cemetery in Khojivank began with the blessing of then-Georgian
President Eduard Shevardnadze.
Hayastan or Bust.
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Re: The Struggle in Javakhk
Originally posted by Federate View PostSpecial forces to be deployed in Armenian-populated region of Georgia
18:04, 18.03.2015
The Prime Minister of Georgia, Irakli Garibashvili, has opened an Internal Affairs Ministry special assignments regional department in Aspindza village of Javakhk—Georgian name: Javakheti, which is a predominantly-Armenian-populated part of Georgia’s southeastern Samtskhe-Javakheti Province.
Gruzia Online news agency of Georgia reported the aforesaid citing Pirveli.
The PM stated that in this case, the responsibility for making unlawful decisions will fall upon the command unit that gives instructions.
http://news.am/eng/news/257634.html
They are Freaking Out like really bad!!!!!!!
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Re: The Struggle in Javakhk
JAVAKHK ACTIVIST CHAKHALYAN DECRIES "TURKIFICATION OF GEORGIA"
16:35, February 9, 2016
In a public statement released today, Javakhk-Armenian activist Vahagn
Chakhalyan has raised the alarm over what he sees as the continuing
"Turkification" of Georgia.
Chakhalyan, who has charged successive Georgian regimes for
implementing anti-Armenian policies, points the finger at former
Georgian Prime Minister Saakashvili for facilitating a policy whereby,
in the activist's words, "Turkish-Azeri capital is taking over the
business market and not hiring Christians."
Chakhalyan claims that there are over 560,000 unmarried Christian women
over the age of 25 in Georgia that aren't being employed as a result,
and more than one million men in the 18-35 age group that are forced
to look for work abroad.
The activist, who has run afoul of Georgian authorities in the past
and spent time in jail, says that all the country's strategic and
profitable sectors are being gobbled up by Turks and Azeris and that
they have their sights on the rest of the business sector, including
Georgia's rich agricultural market.
Chakhalyan argues that this is a new form of Pan-Turanism that
endangers Javakhk, Georgia, as well as Armenia.
In his statement, Chakhalyan calls on all Armenians to raise their
voice in opposition to what he describes as the Islamization of
Georgia and Javakhk and the blockade of Armenia and Artsakh.
Hayastan or Bust.
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By Edmond Y. Azadian This is not the first time Georgia is living up to its title of “friendly foe” with Armenia. Although the cross is prominently featured on the […]
Beware of the Georgian ‘Friend’
EDITORIAL | FEBRUARY 25, 2016 12:48 PM
By Edmond Y. Azadian
This is not the first time Georgia is living up to its title of “friendly foe” with Armenia. Although the cross is prominently featured on the Georgian national flag, Christian brotherhood does not mean much to the Georgian government. Otherwise, some consideration and solidarity would have been warranted between the only two Christian nations amidst an ocean of Islamic countries.
During the Soviet period, all ethnic tensions were subdued by the central government although there was no love lost between Armenia and Georgia, since the two had fought a war before being integrated into the Soviet empire. As a result of that war, the historic Armenian region of Javakhk was integrated into Georgia.
After the collapse of the Soviet empire, the two emerging republics politically developed in opposing directions, pushing their simmering mutual antagonism into political dimensions.
By historic necessity, Armenia aligned itself with Russia, becoming a strategic ally of its northern neighbor and hosting Moscow’s military base on its territory. Georgia, meanwhile, veered towards the West, entertaining its dream of becoming a NATO member. Although the Tbilisi government suffered for its Western orientation as a result of President Mikhail Saakashvili’s reckless politics, the succeeding government of the Georgian Dream Party did not alter the nation’s foreign policy.
During a speech delivered on February 12, President Serge Sargisian, commenting on the implementation of recent constitutional changes, also delved into the political background of the region stating, “with our two neighbors, Georgia and Iran, our relations are developing in good neighborly spirits.”
However, that was a politically-correct statement rather than an accurate one, made in order not to exacerbate tense relations with Tbilisi.
In fact, relations with Iran and Georgia are on totally different footings. At times, Iran may ignore some Armenian interests out of political expediency, but on principle, it does not go out of its way to antagonize Armenia.
Both internally and externally, Georgian policies hurt Armenians. Since Georgia’s independence, all succeeding administrations have exercised an extremely xenophobic domestic policy, trying to assimilate or alienate minorities. The brunt of that policy has been mostly directed towards the Armenians in Javakhk. Although the policy cost Georgia territorial losses —Abkhazia and South Ossetia — little has changed in the behavior of the central government.
Georgia’s foreign policy treats Armenia as a virtual enemy. At the UN and other world bodies, the Tbilisi government has brazenly sided with Azerbaijan and Turkey, to Armenia’s detriment, xxxxxling the “neighborly spirit” which Armenia tries to observe jealously and hopelessly.
Armenia is a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) and relies heavily on that organization for its security. But escalating tensions with Azerbaijan have raised legitimate concerns, especially after Azeri encroachment on Armenia proper’s sovereign territory, in the face of Russia’s enigmatic silence. Adding to Armenia’s worries is the alarming rate of transfer of Russia’s modern weaponry to the Baku government.
Those concerns were raised by Armenian journalists at a press conference with CSTO Secretary Gen. Nikolay Bordyuzha, who gave an indirect and terse answer: “Read the final documents of the annual CSTO ministers’ statements, which necessarily refer to the situation in Caucasus.”
The same press conference substantiated the fears of the Armenian journalists when he stated, “We are greatly concerned about the situation in the Caucasus, especially in connection with Nagorno Karabagh conflict, where heavy weaponry and tanks are used and there are casualties. Further escalation of the conflict is unacceptable; the entire Caucasus will explode.”
Against this political background, the Tbilisi government further develops its political and economic relations with Turkey and Azerbaijan, tightening the noose around Armenia.
On February 19, Georgia hosted the foreign ministers of Turkey and Azerbaijan, who visited the railway station in Kartzakhi, near the Turkish border. The foreign ministers of Azerbaijan, Georgia and Turkey, Elmar Mammadyarov, Mikheil Janelidze and Mevlut Çavusoglu, respectively, praised the Baku-Tbilisi-Kars (BTK) railway project as a “historic” one and they noted its importance within the context of the new Silk Road connecting Asia to Europe. The railway is scheduled to be completed by 2017 and one segment of it will run through the Armenian-populated Akhalkalaki, after bypassing Armenia itself.
The Azeri Foreign Minister said, “I believe that we are on the right track. It is a joint understanding that we must continue this cooperation because it’s a win-win-win for all three countries and the region.”
He stopped short of saying “it’s a lose-lose-lose project for Armenia.”
But what is more worrisome is that in addition to making statements on economic cooperation, the trio have signed a political declaration where they state they place “the utmost importance on the earliest peaceful settlement of the conflict in and around the Nagorno Karabagh region of the Republic of Azerbaijan and the conflict in the Georgian regions of Abkhazia and Tskhinvali region/South Ossetia on the basis of principles and norms of international law, particularly, sovereignty, territorial integrity and inviolability of the internationally-recognized borders.”
The last eight words are euphemistically intended to express the territorial ambitions of the Aliyev dynasty. By contrast, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) co-chairs have been working on the principles of the final part of the Helsinki declaration, which intends to reconcile territorial integrity with the right to self-determination of the local population.
Georgia recklessly endorses Azerbaijan’s position on the settlement of Karabagh conflict while Armenia has cautiously refrained from recognizing Abkhazia’s independence to avoid a confrontation with Tbilisi.
With the lifting of sanctions on Iran, the gas market became a hot battleground in the Caucasus, where Russia, Azerbaijan and Iran are competing. At one point, there was talk that Armenia may become a transit route for Iranian gas to Georgia. It seems that the Georgian government has been having second thoughts for fear of angering the government of Baku. Azerbaijan’s territory is being considered as a conduit for Iranian gas and Georgia’s Minister of Energy Kakha Kaladze has said that “Tbilisi could consider this option, too.”
The Turkish-Georgian cooperation has opened the floodgates for the invasion of Turkish capital in Georgia.
Vahakn Chakhalian, the Armenian political activist in Javakhk who was jailed by President Saakashvili, has issued an appeal to all Armenians, saying, “no to the Turkification of Georgia.”
He added: “The seeds that Saakashvili had sown are blossoming in Georgia and the Turkification of the country is developing at an alarming rate and it has almost reached the point of no return.”
The statement specially informs that the Turkish investors discriminate even against Christian Georgians by denying them employment and preferring Azeris and Turks instead.
Adding insult to injury, the Georgian government has agreed to host a Turkish military base on its territory, to complete the Turkification of the country.
It is understandable that the US and NATO have welcomed the move “as a contribution to stability.” That base would substitute a NATO base, which would irritate Russia to no end. In light of the current escalating tension between Russia and Turkey, stability may become the first casualty.
With a friend like Georgia in the region, Armenia does not need any enemies.General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”
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