Is this the end of the Diaspora?

[Mos]

Re: Is this the end of the Diaspora?

There will be coup soon in Armenia with help of military if Serzh continues this path, I have some inside information. But the new government will be anti-west and will want closer ties with Iran, Russia.

[Anoush]

Re: Is this the end of the Diaspora?

There will be coup soon in Armenia with help of military if Serzh continues this path, I have some inside information. But the new government will be anti-west and will want closer ties with Iran, Russia.

Well well well, what do we have here? Is this true? Armenia doesn't need the west anyways. The west is not pro-Armenia whatsoever, but they are pro-turkey and azerbaijan. Who needs the west?

What Armenia needs is a very patriotic government, one that is for the people and not for themselves alone. Armenia also needs a government that doesn't put up with nonsense and attacks corruption in the land, a government that respects themselves first and then the people, and hopefully they'll be better equipped in the politikal sense as well.

[Haykakan]

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A coup is the last thing we need and it wont happen anyways. The fact that your blabing about it guerantees it wont happen. For a coup to take place you need either russia or the west to back the people taking over, Russia calls the shots in Armenia and they dont want that to change, so who is going to stage a successfull coup and why? The army wont want to replace serj especialy not with ltp. The army has become modernised and much improved under serj-kocharian. The only ones who would be interested in a coup are the turcks and azeris.

[apachi]

Re: Is this the end of the Diaspora?

Armenia is already has very close ties with Russia and Iran. There is no need to anybody to stage coup unless is serving Turks or Azeris which is out of question for Armenia. Please try to get your information from better sources.

[apachi]

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Haykakan, where do you live? And if you repatriatized to Armenia, what did you sacrifice?

Repatriatism is not about sacrifice its about patriotism, love your homeland, where you could keep your national identity and culture without worrying about it and raise your children without forcing them to speak mother tongue everyday. Live with your co-patriots, share the daily life and practice your national religion even by not visiting your church and etc....

[apachi]

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You know, as I gave the idea above, quite unfortunately the soviet regime created the people of today by not letting them move freely, BTW; to read and probe into their history books, to openly become patriotic as they were by no means allowed publicly to declare =except a few= and all of that created for the people to be less patriotic, less knowledgeable in their own history, and no knowledge of how to move politically in today's world, simply because the country was not theirs. They couldn't rule it. That is why both the government and the people are in the state that they are in now. It's unfortunate but I think I am right in most respects.

Do you mean 1965 when people of Armenia took the streets of Armenia. and raise their voices: MER HOGHER@ MER HOGHER@.
Or when they build Genocide memorial in center of Yerervan.
Or do you mean 1990 when people of Armenia took the streets again and raised their voices: KHARABAGH, KHARABAGH.
Or do you mean years of fighting and defending Kharabagh and sacrificing their lives.
Or do you mean March 1, 2008 after the election of presidency nobody tried to overthrouh the government, because the respect to the Statehood of Armenia was more important for the unity of country.
Or our writers from Charentz to Sevak who brought us the very nationalistic literature even with their live s unfortunate ending.
I am not defending the soviet ruled totalitarian system, but I am not also denying what accomplishments have reached Armenia in those years is sense of our national identity, culture and history which has feed us in inside and diaspora.

[Mos]

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There will be a coup if Serzh makes any concessions on Karabakh. Outside countries don't need to back anything, the army is the important part and their relations with Serzh are getting worse and worse. Also, remember people who support Serzh are not the type to go protesting into streets and take active role. Supporters of serzh are like Dodi Gago who will sit comfortably in their mansion and care only about money and big business.

Remember, Serzh makes very few decisions alone, Armenia is a small and politically weak country. Serzh will follow first Russian and KGB outlets and then from time to time EU and US advice. Serzh maybe deep inside is against this whole thing, but he has no choice he is a puppet for the bigger powers. As president of a small country, this is what happens.

But also in Armenia nationalism is very weak. My uncle in Armenia found out about these protocols when I called him to talk about it few weeks into them. Many Armenians just want to get out of Armenia and go live in the Los Angeles they see in music videos. Everybody I talk to in Armenia is just finding a way to get out of that country and never return; this is fueled also by fact that many Armenians in Armenia have relatives in Diaspora (ehem) and hear about the good life and want to go there. With that attitude, such a situation is created.

The ideal situation would be a bloodless coup, where a government would be created which was all about reform. Which would cut the corruption, make Armenia more democratic and advance, invest in education, get us closer to EU like standards, reform police (really needed!!) and of course not turn Armenia into province of turkey. This off course is just my fantasy, but in an ideal world this would be great.

[Catharsis]

Re: Is this the end of the Diaspora?

There will be a coup if Serzh makes any concessions on Karabakh. Outside countries don't need to back anything, the army is the important part and their relations with Serzh are getting worse and worse. Also, remember people who support Serzh are not the type to go protesting into streets and take active role. Supporters of serzh are like Dodi Gago who will sit comfortably in their mansion and care only about money and big business.

Remember, Serzh makes very few decisions alone, Armenia is a small and politically weak country. Serzh will follow first Russian and KGB outlets and then from time to time EU and US advice. Serzh maybe deep inside is against this whole thing, but he has no choice he is a puppet for the bigger powers. As president of a small country, this is what happens.

But also in Armenia nationalism is very weak. My uncle in Armenia found out about these protocols when I called him to talk about it few weeks into them. Many Armenians just want to get out of Armenia and go live in the Los Angeles they see in music videos. Everybody I talk to in Armenia is just finding a way to get out of that country and never return; this is fueled also by fact that many Armenians in Armenia have relatives in Diaspora (ehem) and hear about the good life and want to go there. With that attitude, such a situation is created.

The ideal situation would be a bloodless coup, where a government would be created which was all about reform. Which would cut the corruption, make Armenia more democratic and advance, invest in education, get us closer to EU like standards, reform police (really needed!!) and of course not turn Armenia into province of turkey. This off course is just my fantasy, but in an ideal world this would be great.

I agree with most of this Mos, you pretty much covered very important points and the situation we have now.

[Davo88]

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Either new elections or a coup would do some good, because the situation in Armenia is nonsense...

[ninetoyadome]

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Are you guys serious when you think a coup will do Armenia good? Think about it. Right now the economy is bad but its slowly recovering. A coup will completely destroy it. Foreign investors will want nothing to do with Armenia and pull out everything they put into Armenia. You guys are saying the coup will make Armenia pro-Russia and anti-West, guess what it already is pro-Russia and anti-west. And lets not forget about the war hungry barbarians to our east. If they see a coup in Armenia they will attack Artsakh. Serzh isnt stupid enough to give up Artsakh or any regions.
Also think about whos going to take Serzh's place if you remove him, who ter petrosian? that guys the worst person in Armenia. hes a dictator. the country was in xxxx when he was president. lets not forget how when he was running for president he had support from both turkey and azerbaijan.
even if you guys find someone it will take years and years before Armenia will improve.