Is this the end of the Diaspora?

[KanadaHye]

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I wouldn't exactly call Armenia Anti-West....

Washington will support the efforts of Armenia and Turkey in every possible way to establish normal relations, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told journalist on her way to London.

Clinton called the Oct. 10 signing of the Protocols in Zurich was a crucial event in the modern history of Armenian-Turkish relations. Armenia and Turkey expressed certain concern before the signing ceremony that would hardly bring about a breakdown of the signing. However, after the talks with Armenian Foreign Minister Edward Nalbandyan and his Turkish counterpart Ahmet Davutoglu the signing ceremony was held.

As NEWS.am already reported the signing ceremony took place in a tensed atmosphere. Turkish delegation tried to include a number of points related to the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict in their final statement. According to the position of official Yerevan and international mediators, the Nagorno-Karabakh peace process and Armenia-Turkey rapprochement are not linked. After Armenian side’s protest and interference of U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the problem was solved. In particular, both sides decided against making final statements and left immediately after the signing ceremony.

http://news.am/en/news/6358.html

[AlphaPapa]

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I went over all that already go read earlier posts. Unfortunately many in the diaspora think like you and i have changed many of their minds alrerady. It doesnt take a genious to figure out what i am saying but it does take the firing of a synapse or two.

So its easier to continue making personal attacks on me from what you know about me instead of answering a simple question? You're an idiot. Go worship lenin babig if you want, what you have to say means as much as a 6 year old kids.

[AlphaPapa]

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Repatriatism is not about sacrifice its about patriotism, love your homeland, where you could keep your national identity and culture without worrying about it and raise your children without forcing them to speak mother tongue everyday. Live with your co-patriots, share the daily life and practice your national religion even by not visiting your church and etc....

Gee, thanks for the definition, but that's not what I asked...want to answer the question for him now?

[AlphaPapa]

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Great, on the 10th anniversary, people are asking for more...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB7L6WvuYMw

Talk about mental masturbation...

[Kasa]

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But it requires a greeaaaat deal of sacrifice on Diaspora's behalf to both repatriate under these circumstances and to not leave afterwards.

Nobody said it is a easy process repatriating to Armenia. It is hard enough to move from one city to another let alone a whole country. But just because it is hard doesn't mean it can't happen. Yes, it takes sacrifice but Armenians in Armenia sacrifice also by insisting on living there and not leaving.

And it doesn't have to be absolute, one is not imprisoned after moving to Armenia, one can travel abroad, move around, etc.

The same spirit of boldness, daring, boasting and bravado that you see Armenians express, including on this forum of willing to go kill Turks left and right, and move to Western Armenian, blah blah blah, can be used to push through the difficulties and challenges of moving to Armenia and just get it done.

And to all those guys and gals who still cling to a mentality from the 19th century of "taking a sword and slashing Turks left and right", it is time to use more brains and less brawn. We have proven that we have the brawn now we have use be smart and use our brains for resolving our problems and issues, because our enemies and adversaries are getting smarter. And brains can beat muscles anytime.

[KanadaHye]

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Nobody said it is a easy process repatriating to Armenia. It is hard enough to move from one city to another let alone a whole country. But just because it is hard doesn't mean it can't happen. Yes, it takes sacrifice but Armenians in Armenia sacrifice also by insisting on living there and not leaving.

And it doesn't have to be absolute, one is not imprisoned after moving to Armenia, one can travel abroad, move around, etc.

The same spirit of boldness, daring, boasting and bravado that you see Armenians express, including on this forum of willing to go kill Turks left and right, and move to Western Armenian, blah blah blah, can be used to push through the difficulties and challenges of moving to Armenia and just get it done.

And to all those guys and gals who still cling to a mentality from the 19th century of "taking a sword and slashing Turks left and right", it is time to use more brains and less brawn. We have proven that we have the brawn now we have use be smart and use our brains for resolving our problems and issues, because our enemies and adversaries are getting smarter. And brains can beat muscles anytime.

That's probably not likely to happen until the standard of living where Armenians are now becomes the same as the standard of living in Armenia. Which, with the world economy the way it is shouldn't be that far away from reality.

[Anoush]

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Repatriatism is not about sacrifice its about patriotism, love your homeland, where you could keep your national identity and culture without worrying about it and raise your children without forcing them to speak mother tongue everyday. Live with your co-patriots, share the daily life and practice your national religion even by not visiting your church and etc....

It's not for all Diasporans. You can't expect the Diasporans who has obligations, jobs set up to move to Armenia. It's not for everyone. Some will be able to and will and others will not. I understand that it is a good wish that it happends, but certainly Serge and Edward have not made it easy for Diasporans to do it with their defeitist actions of the protocols now underway.

[AlphaPapa]

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It's irrational to expect all Armenians to adopt Eastern Armenia as their new homeland. What isn't irrational is to have a summer home set up there, or even a time-share. I know of some that have done so for their family (who live in the US). Progress is gradual.

[Anoush]

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Do you mean 1965 when people of Armenia took the streets of Armenia. and raise their voices: MER HOGHER@ MER HOGHER@.
Or when they build Genocide memorial in center of Yerervan.
Or do you mean 1990 when people of Armenia took the streets again and raised their voices: KHARABAGH, KHARABAGH.
Or do you mean years of fighting and defending Kharabagh and sacrificing their lives.
Or do you mean March 1, 2008 after the election of presidency nobody tried to overthrouh the government, because the respect to the Statehood of Armenia was more important for the unity of country.
Or our writers from Charentz to Sevak who brought us the very nationalistic literature even with their live s unfortunate ending.
I am not defending the soviet ruled totalitarian system, but I am not also denying what accomplishments have reached Armenia in those years is sense of our national identity, culture and history which has feed us in inside and diaspora.

Aahh apachi, when people of Armenia took to the streets and raised their voices MER HOGHER@ MER HOGHER@ in 1965; those were the days when the people of Armenia were under the wonderful influence of the likes of Charents and Sevak that every other of their poems were about our lost lands of Western Armenia, Nakhichevan, Artsakh, Akhalkalak and Akhaltsekha. In those times, the Armenian people had those two wonderful and patriotic writers which they do not have it now, alas. Today, the Armenian youth after 70 years of Soviet regime who pretty much killed the patriotic spirit of most Armenians by not allowing historical books to be read in schools and elsewhere and they never allowed the people to be patriotic. For heavens sake they even had our greatest Sevak killed and in his heyday when he had so much more promise to yet produce and give to our people.

What I'm saying is that from what I hear and read that some yes but most Armenians in there are not patriotic or patriotic enough to fight for their freedom and against the government, plus about knowing their history, they have none or very little knowledge a good number of them. Certainly not enough to know what transpired in their history, to not repeat it again with our numero uno enemies, Btw; turks and "azeris". I don't think most of our younger generation in our homeland know much about our history and when they don't, how could they be patriotic?

[Anoush]

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It's irrational to expect all Armenians to adopt Eastern Armenia as their new homeland. What isn't irrational is to have a summer home set up there, or even a time-share. I know of some that have done so for their family (who live in the US). Progress is gradual.

Yes Alpha, I alsao heard of it. Sure, it's a good idea to have a nice summer home in Armenia and visit our homeland every now and then or sometimes live there half of the year and come back to their Diaspora house the other half of the year. It can certainly be gradually progressive that way.