Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

[levon]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Social Media and Women's Empowerment

17:36 - 13.03.10

At the opening of the Women and Work conference March 8 in Turin,
Italy, Madlen Serban, the director of the European Training
Foundation, or ETF, revealed an ambitious hope for the symposium. She
hoped the event, held 100 years after the first international women's
conference in Copenhagen, Denmark, in 1910, would yield new answers,
rather than just new questions, ...... (blah, blah, blah...)

Just another article addressing how women just want privilege in the name of equality. If 100 years of empowerment didn't brink equality, then either the targeted group is incapable, or just flaunts "me, me, me, want, want, want, give, give, give".

[levon]

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Armenian Dating Economics by "Pat"
A Critical Response to "You're Too Much"
source: http://www.asbarez.com/72703/you%E2%80%99re-too-much/

Thanks for posting this yerazhishda. That's a nice response to typical feminist article full of misandry.

Isn't it so typical? A used up hag in her mid thirties blames men for the stupid decisions she made in her life. If she wants to sleep around, and have a career until she is past the effective child-bearing age, everyone should accommodate her desires. Then, when she decides she wants to have a family, again, she wants everyone to accommodate her desires. Well, it doesn't work like that. Not many men are interested in a used up hag in her mid-thirties. But, of coarse, that beyond the comprehension of an average feminist. If her desires, and wants aren't met, she'll never take responsibility because she's suffering from "eternal victim" syndrome, and will continue to demonize and blame men for all the problems in her life.

No matter how much social engineering is put into place, it will never overwrite nature, and used-up feminist hags will only find companionship with their cats. I say, instead of blaming men for her problems, she should blame feminism for selling her the lie that "she can sleep around in her twenties and have a career, then when she's reaching mid-to-late thirties she can at a moment's notice decide she wants to have a family, and there will be hoards of men fighting for her." Of coarse, when that doesn't happen, she will naturally blame the men around her with statements such as "They are intimidated by my intelligence", "They are not good enough for me", "They are not intelligent enough for me", "They are just pigs", all this in order to hide the true nature of the problem, which is that "she is just a used up hag in her mid to late thirties, her looks have faded, she is nothing but easy sex, and most men would rather start a family with a younger woman who is more likely to give birth to healthy children (or give birth at all, as years of being on the pill have probably done some irreparable damage to her reproductive system)."

[levon]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

You do not raise a countries population by limiting women to motherhood because they will get the hell out if you do that. Armenia needs a better standard of living and security for it to grow its population and women can play a important role besides the mother one.

Most women just follow the mainstream ideas. If the mainstream dictates "women should stay home and care for the young", they will be happy to do that, and if the mainstream dictates "women should xxxx around, work until their mid-thirties and become used up hags that nobody is interested in" they will also do that. The only problem is that after all is said and done, these same women will want a a family and find out most men aren't really interested in used up hags, and in turn, these women will blame men for their misfortunes, rather than realize, that "since women are free to do what they want, they are completely responsible for their actions, and they can no longer blame others for their short-sighted decisions.

However, if feminists continuously tell women that they are victims, and the perpetrators are men, women will naturally shift all the blame onto men. This "victimhood" concept is very important for feminists, as without it they have no stronghold whatsoever. The mainstream western culture encourages women to do what they desire, and at the same time tells them to blame men for everything that's wrong in their lives.

[levon]

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Some food for thought

An interesting aspect of our culture of "victimhood" is that it continues to erode the sense of personal responsibility that while we are told is important to our growth and development as a whole person is continually being eroded by the legal system and society. Victimhood cries out for a rescuer, for a protector, for someone to come along, fix it, and make it right.

For me, this has always created an interesting dichotomy for feminism, which promotes the individual overtly while promoting victimhood covertly.

Victimization is directly related to the censorship of political correctness which has taken over our speech and society. No longer can you say what you think because it may cause someone to feel hurt. Once again, we see the direct connection to a lack of personal responsibility. I was taught that if what someone says offends you, then you need to examine why you feel it necessary to give that person power over your emotions, in other words to take responsibility for your actions.

They even teach this in anger management classes, that one should take responsibility for one's own actions, and not to blame it on someone else. Yet we have somehow come to a point where the finger of blame is immutably fixed, perpetually pointing at the person committing an act that someone else may misinterpret or not as they desire. Sexual harassment laws are a perfect example of this. There are no concrete examples of sexual harassment specified in the law; it comes down to how the "victim" "feels".

The scary part is that we could be so easily hoodwinked. After all, what is wrong with trying to make sure that everyone feels good, with trying to make sure that people aren't mean to one another? I mean, that's a good idea, right? The problem is that certain facets of society have attempted to legislate morality instead of teaching it. By legislating correct behavior instead of teaching it as the right thing to do, not only have we lost our moral compass and the ability to know inherently what is good and what is evil, we have abdicated our personal responsibility to the state, becoming - in effect - all wards of the state.

[levon]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Some more

Feminism's genius was in linking class oppression (watered-down neo-Marxism in the 60's and 70's) to gender.

Women became, de facto, a class of victims, sufferers under the Evil Patriarchy. (The first victim class in history that outlives and outspends their "oppressors...")

Clearly, as the last forty years have shown, there's a lot of money to be made in the Victim Industry.

There is much bank to be harvested by subverting the law to include vague notions of subjective victimization, and the whole "mental and emotional anguish; pain and suffering" scam.

The latest exemplar of this racketeering is Ms. Mackrie, suing Bill O'Reilly for her own inability to hang up the freakin' phone! (I know, I know, she was victimized by diabolical male telephony technology that imposes the misogynistic notion that individuals have a degree of choice and self-responsibility.... In one of her TV interviews she actually stated -- "I couldn't hang up! I was afraid I'd lose my job!")

Thanks to VAWA, the DV bureaucracy, and the Family Courts, our society now enjoys a rigged playing field where female predation has become a lucrative interconnected network of exploitative franchises.

Gender fascism is a profitable business.

Manufacturing victims (of both genders) is its currency de jour.

[KanadaHye]

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The author and all of these women need a reality check, one which many self-respecting Armenian men now a days have already declared; as the famous adage goes, "LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT"! Just remember, if you do decide to leave, don't bring what you've left this culture for back into our communities, no odar can ever take the place of an Armenian man, regardless of how many Armenian words and sentences the odar may learn.

Chisel that in stone and frame the f'ing thing. That, there in bold, is the icing on the cake.

[levon]

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Must-See Aussie Documentary on False Rape Case

By Glenn Sacks | Mon, Jun 14 2010, 06:19 PM

This Australian documentary video about a false rape claim is excellent, even though I do have one complaint (SBS, 6/9/10). (I hope you can view it. I've recently gotten a message saying it's blocked and another saying it's "no longer available for viewing.")

It's 52 minutes long and tells the story of 15-year-old Patrick Waring who woke up one night to find police at his door with a warrant for his arrest. A 17-year-old girl had told police that Patrick had brutally and repeatedly raped her. He said he didn't know who she was and had never had sex with her. Nevertheless, she had his telephone number and identified him as her assailant in a police lineup.

The judge denied Patrick bail, so he remained in a juvenile detention center for a year enduring beatings at the hands of other inmates. His parents and sister strongly believed that Patrick was not the type of boy to do the things the girl claimed were done to her. So they hired the best legal and forensic scientific talent they could find.

And with those people in Patrick's corner, the Crown's case immediately started to unravel. From the start, police procedures had contaminated the crime scene and evidence. Interviewed four separate times, the girl's story was never the same twice. Add to that the fact that the place in which the "rape" supposedly occurred was frequented by the public and therefore an unlikely crime scene, and the prosecution's case began to look thinner and thinner.

Nine months after the charge, DNA test results came back. (Why it took that long is anyone's guess.) There was no evidence of the girl's DNA on Patrick's clothing and none of his on hers. Patrick's defense team then moved for bail which was then granted. Patrick walked out of the detention center for the first time in a year.

But his ordeal was far from over. Even though the Crown's case consisted solely of the testimony of the complainant who, for a year, had lied repeatedly to police and prosecutors, the case went ahead. That's because, in rape cases, Australian law no longer requires any corroborating evidence. If the jury believes the complainant, the accused can be convicted, even though all other facts point to innocence.

So throughout a three-week trial and ten hours of jury deliberations, 15-year-old Patrick Waring waited to learn whether he would return to a semblance of normal life or spend the next years of his life in prison. The jury acquitted him.

As his attorneys tell us, no one who has gone through what Patrick went through comes out the same as he went in. He will never be the same. And that's true of his parent's bank account too. They spent every dollar they had and mortgaged their home which they must now sell in order to pay their son's legal bills. Neither they nor Patrick will receive any compensation for the agony they were intentionally and maliciously put through.

He and the girl had met the day of her allegations outside a movie theater. They'd never set eyes on each other before; they chatted briefly, exchanged phone numbers and went their separate ways. For reasons not explained, Patrick was the boy she chose to subject to a year of fear and anguish, apparently as a cover for a sexual escapade she'd had with another boy.

The documentary pulls few punches. It unequivocally states that Patrick was charged with a crime that he did not commit. It lets us see the anguish his parents and sister endured throughout the long months leading up to the trial.

This being legitimate journalism, the piece takes aim at the Australian criminal justice system, and rightly so. In these blog postings, I've described the U.S. system as a conveyor belt that begins with an accusation and ends in prison, and the Australian system is presented as the same. In Patrick's case, as in most cases, the wheels just keep turning and no one seems inclined to push the 'Stop' button.

The documentary makes clear that the police not only violated basic tenets of crime investigation, but that they did so with one thing in mind - convicting Patrick Waring of the crime he was charged with. Prosecutors also proceeded with little regard for the facts of the case. At any time someone should have called the case what it was - a sham, a lie. But no one did, and that's the real complaint the documentary makes. The system cost Adelaide taxpayers a bundle and the Warings far more. It cost an innocent boy a year of his life and barely imaginable terror. It cost his family untold anguish. And anyone at any time could have pulled the plug on it. Someone should have.

And that brings me to my complaint. Although clearly not a fan of the girl (as usual, she's granted anonymity even though she's the guilty party), the piece never addresses the obvious - that, but for her multiple lies, none of this would have happened. However culpable police and prosecutors were in the matter - and they unquestionably were - they'd have had no opportunity to act badly if the girl had just told the truth. But the documentary fails to say that. It presumptively calls for changes in the system of criminal justice, but never demands consequences for false charging. Like the system generally, the documentary gives the girl a pass.

The lesson likely won't be lost on her or others. False rape allegations are a free shot. They may not get the guy thrown in prison, but on the other hand they may. In any case, there will be no consequences to the woman. She won't be charged, she won't be required to pay damages. She won't even be identified. As long as that is true, there will be more Patrick Warings, except that some of them won't be so "lucky." Some of them will go to prison; in fact, some of them are there now. And for what? To protect the unfettered power of any woman any time to call the weight of the state down on any man any time for any reason.

But remember, this is the 21st century. We're all about gender equality now.

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[levon]

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The link to the video

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

The arguments made here by self profesed biggets are so flawed that a junior high schooler can prove them ignorent nonsence. Mr yerazhishda why is it that you dont understand that it is every mothers desire to do what is best for her childeren. If what you say is true then the mother feels opressed and does not want her daughter to experience the same oppression. What exactly is wrong with that? The bigger problem that totally blows past you is why are these women feeling so oppressed that they would tell their daughters to do such a thing. Oppressing wives is not a Armenian tradition, it is the tradition of the hetamntats. I know a lot of people who say i dont want to let my wife work because if she is successful then she might leave me. Can you get anymore hetamnats then this? If you base your relationship with your wife only on you being the provider then sure she might leave you once she gets on her own feet but what exactly does that tell you about the relationship you had with your wife? Wives are not sheep or dogs which you can use for a thing or two and expect them to be content with that. Women are human beings to and they have desires beyong just being a wife or a mother. I am sick of idiots making it sound that hetamnatsutsiun is the Armenian thing to do. Havent you morons ever heard of Hripsime, or Gayane, or Tamar or... .
Sure false rape accusations do happen and are deplorable to say the least, but real rape also happens and people get away with that to so your point is moot. Yes the USA system of justice does favor women in divorce cases a unfair manner but nothing states that this is the end result of giving women rights. You cant take the worst example and pretend it is a fair example when most other countries legal systems are not this biased. Levon you are the king of stupid examples well maybe be right behind Kanadahye! Your comment like " If 100 years of empowerment didn't brink equality, then either the targeted group is incapable, or just flaunts "me, me, me, want, want, want, give, give, give". " is a shining example of this. Using your logic we should just forget the genocide ever happened and that a crime was commited and that our people our vitims just because it happened 100 years ago. Using idiotic logic like this there would not be a Armenian nation or people today. Maybe instead of just blaming women for everything you fathers can raise responcible childeren who are not spoiled. Raising childeren to become respncible adults does not mean placing artificial limits on them. A woman can have a education and a career and a good family if that is what she wants, it is not up to you to tell her what she should with her life. Sure this makes it harder for most men to deal with women but if you want something easy then go buy a freakin dog and stfu.

[levon]

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The arguments made here by self profesed biggets are so flawed that a junior high schooler can prove them ignorent nonsence.

Go ahead, keep insulting everyone. You're doing great, and in no way what you're doing is similar to what deranged feminists do when one disagrees with them.

Mr yerazhishda why is it that you dont understand that it is every mothers desire to do what is best for her childeren.

Really, then what the hell was wrong with this woman.
http://www.news.com.au/world/michiga...#ixzz0teZhR6Ls

Quick quote:
"# Mother gives up boy for adoption
# Finds him on net, has sex with him
# Jailed for between nine and 30 years"

I know a lot of people who say i dont want to let my wife work because if she is successful then she might leave me. Can you get anymore hetamnats then this? If you base your relationship with your wife only on you being the provider then sure she might leave you once she gets on her own feet but what exactly does that tell you about the relationship you had with your wife?

What you are describing are side-effects of the current wave of feminist inspired values. The current mainstream western culture works hard to destroy the bond between a husband his wife and their children.

If you pay attention, you'll see that rather than refer to a family as a husband, wife and their children, the current view is to refer to it is woman, her children, and the father. In essence, it promotes the idea that the children are the woman's , the father's presence is not required, but he is financially responsible for them nonetheless. Add to that the fact the the current social environment praises single motherhood, encourages women to leave their husbands, and promotes the idea the a woman raising children without a man is more respectable.

Add to this the fact that the justice system makes it much easier to get divorced, get custody of the children, shut the father out of the children lives, and still force him to be financially responsible for the children. And of course, when a woman fails to properly raise the children after she shuts the father out of their lives, she along with everyone else will blame the father for not being there, and fail to note the fact that he was legally shut from the children's lives. Their justification is always "If he really cared for them, he would have done everything possible". The sad fact is that many if not most do all that's possible, often losing thousands of dollars and in the end get nothing.

So let's recap. Women are told that the children are hers, not theirs (hers and her husbands). It's cool to be a single mom, women are constantly told that they are better for the children than the fathers, woman are told that fathers are not necessary but fathers are still kept financially responsible. The legal system allows women to divorce any time for any reason and still get full custody of the children along with child support. Women know that they can leave their husband any time they want, shut him from the children's lives, and still keep him financially responsible.

What does this mean?
It means that the western values encourage women to see men as nothing but providers, whom they can leave anytime they way
So mothers have rights and privileges, and fathers have responsibilities. If the child fails, then the father should have done more. If the child succeeds, then the woman is praised for being such a good mother. It's lose-lose for the father.

Given such a hostile environment towards fathers and husbands, one can hardly be surprised to find men that make such statements.

Wives are not sheep or dogs which you can use for a thing or two and expect them to be content with that. Women are human beings to and they have desires beyong just being a wife or a mother.

And neither are husbands just sperm-donors and source of funding; however, you along with many others take great care to of women's issues, yet ignore men altogether.

I am sick of idiots making it sound that hetamnatsutsiun is the Armenian thing to do. Havent you morons ever heard of Hripsime, or Gayane, or Tamar or... .

Right, and haven't you ever heard of Andranik, Garegin Njdeh, Hovsep Arghutian, Nikol Duman, Khristofor Oganyan, Kevork Chavush, Serob Axpur,... and many many more just for the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

What's your point?

Sure false rape accusations do happen and are deplorable to say the least, but real rape also happens and people get away with that to so your point is moot.

The point is not moot. People who get accused of false rape may have their entire lives destroyed, yet the accuser walks off scott free. Also, there are many many more false rape accusations that real rapist walking off.

Levon you are the king of stupid examples well maybe be right behind Kanadahye! Your comment like " If 100 years of empowerment didn't brink equality, then either the targeted group is incapable, or just flaunts "me, me, me, want, want, want, give, give, give". " is a shining example of this.

I thought that was a reasonable deduction, and it's rather indicative of the situation now. If gender equality cannot be achieved, change the standards to get "artificer equality"

Using your logic we should just forget the genocide ever happened and that a crime was commited and that our people our vitims just because it happened 100 years ago.

Please don't try to draw similarities between womens movements and the Armenian genocide. These are two completely different topics, and you are showing nothing but disrespect by even posting such a comment.

Using idiotic logic like this there would not be a Armenian nation or people today. Maybe instead of just blaming women for everything you fathers can raise responcible childeren who are not spoiled. Raising childeren to become respncible adults does not mean placing artificial limits on them.

See above, I believe I already answered that.

A woman can have a education and a career and a good family if that is what she wants, it is not up to you to tell her what she should with her life. Sure this makes it harder for most men to deal with women but if you want something easy then go buy a freakin dog and stfu.

Education is not the problem, and educated women aren't harder to deal with than uneducated women. The difficulty is not education, but the entire atmosphere created by feminist values. The atmosphere encourages a divide between men and women in all areas of life, most emportantly the area that traditionally dominated both men's and women's lives called a family.

Rather than encourage family values, western culture encourages consumerism, and a men vs women atmosphere. People are constantly told that traditional families are no better than single-parent, or non-traditional family units (such as gay/lesbian families). Women are also told that the children are hers. Such an atmosphere has nothing to do with having educated women. Both educated and un-educated women can easily fall victim to these unnatural values.

What we oppose are feminist values that aim to destroy the family.