IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

[ninetoyadome]

Re: IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

Every one needs to understand what Federate wrote - because he is absolutely correct. Persian-Azaris are not Turkic-Azeris (who stole the name "Azerbaijan"). The more everyone understands this, the easier it is to debunk Turkic fraudulent historical inventions.

Your right, Stalin named the region "Azerbaijan" because he thought like this he could claim Northern Iran.
Vasily Bartold, Soviet Turkologist stated:

“The name “Azerbaijan” for the Republic of Azerbaijan (Soviet Azerbaijan) was selected on the assumption that the stationing of such as republic would lead to that entity Iranian to become one…this is the reason why the name “Azerbaijan” was selected (for Arran)…anytime when it is necessary to select a name that refers to the territory of the Republic of Azerbaijan, we should/can select the name Arran…”

And also Shaikh Mohammad Khiyabani wanted to change the name of Northern Iran, the real Azerbaijan, to Azadistan so they would have nothing to do with the newly formed Azerbaijan.

On a side note: I remember Monte Melkonian, the famous Armenian commander, saying that the "Republic of Azerbaijan" (= fake country) was forcing people of Persian & Armenian heritage into their armed forces in large numbers (while the the Turks stayed away from the battle field and took safe duties). Monte inferred that the Turks were doing two things: (1) Ethnically cleansing the Persian/Aryan people; and (2) in essence making Armenians fight themselves. (I.e., more turkification.)

That is what turks are known for, they never fight there own battles. Monte said after they killed the soldiers they would look for identification and noticed that they were all Talysh, Lezgin or Avar, not azeri.

he starts talking about it around the 2:40 mark

[Mos]

Re: IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

"You are misinformed about the people called Azerbaijanis, it is not all that simple. The Azaris in Iran are not like the Azeris in Azerbaijan, nor do they like them. I have spoken to a bunch of Azaris from Iran and they see little to no connection with the republic, the ones in Iran even call them "godless Soviets". Besides a few Grey Wolf elements, the Azaris in Iran do not support any union with Azerbaijan and they are staunchly pro-Iran and being Iranian. Their population is also heavily concentrated in the northern part of Iran, far away from all the important sites of the country."

I agree with that, but then why are the Iranian authorities so afraid of the Azari minority wanting to succeed?

[Persopolis]

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"You are misinformed about the people called Azerbaijanis, it is not all that simple. The Azaris in Iran are not like the Azeris in Azerbaijan, nor do they like them. I have spoken to a bunch of Azaris from Iran and they see little to no connection with the republic, the ones in Iran even call them "godless Soviets". Besides a few Grey Wolf elements, the Azaris in Iran do not support any union with Azerbaijan and they are staunchly pro-Iran and being Iranian. Their population is also heavily concentrated in the northern part of Iran, far away from all the important sites of the country."

Every one needs to understand what Federate wrote - because he is absolutely correct. Persian-Azaris are not Turkic-Azeris (who stole the name "Azerbaijan"). The more everyone understands this, the easier it is to debunk Turkic fraudulent historical inventions.

On a side note: I remember Monte Melkonian, the famous Armenian commander, saying that the "Republic of Azerbaijan" (= fake country) was forcing people of Persian & Armenian heritage into their armed forces in large numbers (while the the Turks stayed away from the battle field and took safe duties). Monte inferred that the Turks were doing two things: (1) Ethnically cleansing the Persian/Aryan people; and (2) in essence making Armenians fight themselves. (I.e., more turkification.)

"It is generally agreed, and indeed not subject to serious doubt, that before the advent of the Turks, Iranian languages were spoken here in Azerbaijan and Zanjan, as elsewhere in Persia." (Henning, W.B. “The Ancient Language of Azerbaijan,” Transactions of the Philological Society (1954).)

[Joseph]

Re: IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

Thanks!

[Persopolis]

Re: IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

Where can I find 'King of Kings' by Nazaryan?

Here is a good source - maybe a bit time consuming.
http://lib.harvard.edu/

A better source is to contact Dr. Richard Nelson Frye, Prof. of Persian Studies at Harvard (he's still alive); he can likely give very good information about Armenian history as well (Because he speaks factually, the pan-Turkists hate him! ) See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Nelson_Frye

Another good source is Dr. Kaveh Farrokh -- I believe he is a Persian-Azari (not to be confused with a Turkic-Azeri). His email is on his site - just send him some information requests; maybe invite him to join the discussion. (Just so people aren't confused: The Turks stole the name Azerbaijan.) http://www.kavehfarrokh.com/about/background/

Maybe if someone can make a new thread (I'm not sure how, as I'm new), with time permitting I can fill it full of information quotes from scholarly sources -- it might even be useful to counter the wholly fabricated Turkic claims (in case anyone hasn't noticed, Turks just make stuff up).

[Persopolis]

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We are both Aryan nations. But genetically speaking, we are more close to greeks than persians because persians have mixed with semites over the ages. Today, less than 40% of persians is real Aryan. The rest are mix.

Not sure where you got the 40% figure from, but yes on the borders of Iran there are some mixed people (and in the territories of the Ancient Persian Empires). Just so people aren't confused, Ahmadinejad is not Persian - here is a Persian girl in the video below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o6vD-__Tqc

[Armanen]

Re: IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

Do you mean King of Kings on Armenian Highland?

[Armanen]

Re: IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

Where can I find 'King of Kings' by Nazaryan?

[Persopolis]

Re: IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

You have genetic proof for that? We had a whole debate with another Persian (azar) who was claiming that we were genetic brothers as well.

Azeris claim a lot of things - it doesn't mean they are all true. However, the genetic ties between Armenians and Persians are well-known; yet I can't discuss them all here in single comment here nor do I have the time to rehash several thousand years of history. Intermarriage among the Iranian and Armenian nobility was common. The two peoples shared many religious, political, and linguistic elements and traditions and even shared the same political dynasties. There are a lot of good books you can read on the subject: a good one is "King of Kings" by Gevork Nazaryan. (See also The New Englander, at p. 524, by William Lathrop Kingsley). By the way, Parskahye are "Persian-Armenians" -- there are tens of thousands in Iran today, so it is not limited to ancient history. Also, my aunt married an Armenian - so I can prove it, but you'd have to come to my house for dinner.

Supplement to last post: Interview with V. Putin:

"I don't consider myself a specialist of Persian literature, which I
regret, because everything I hear or learn is very interesting despite.
This also concerns the history of Iran, a part of
world history. Iran is initially a world power that spread from the
near East to India, and even included some parts of the former Soviet
republics.

Iran is a country of protoreligion, Zoroastrianism. Some specialist
consider it an eventual source of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism.
Followers of this great religion ended up on the territory of Iran after a great migration.
This is to say that the histories of our two countries and the roots of their
cultural exchange are much deeper than can be imagined at first. That
gives security that our two countries will always be able to
communicate on any problem, since we understand one another."

Video of Putin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2j5KdNXaOs

[Persopolis]

Re: IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

What does it say on the memorial in Farsi?

"Remember the Armenian Martyrs that were Killed."