IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

[ArmSurvival]

Re: IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

Isn't ANYBODY worried a nuclear weapon might be smuggled by one of the millions of azeris living in Iran into Azerbaijan and then used on Armenia? I'm sure Iran's military contains a high number of people who support Azerbaijan, and would love to pass one over to Alyiev.

Iran's supreme leader is an Azeri, and they haven't had any problems with Armenia so far. At the same time, Iran has major problems with Azerbaijan. For one, they've had a long-running dispute over oilfields in the Caspian. Second, Azerbaijan along with the west is trying to spread Pan-Turkic propaganda to Iran's Azeris in order to take the region from Iran. Azerbaijan is probably the LAST country Iran would help out, much less give them a nuke. On the flipside, Armenia is the only country on Iran's border besides Turkmenistan that doesn't host a U.S. military base. Iran feels isolated, and Armenia is their only neighbor that doesn't give them any complications. They have many energy and transport projects with each other, and both countries are also on good terms with Russia.

And remember that during the Artsakh liberation war, Iran never helped out Azerbaijan. Its because Azerbaijan is nationalist while Iran is a theocracy, and they have competing interests.

Plus... a country that has nukes isn't going to pass them out left and right to other countries. If you were in charge of a nuclear country why would you help your neighbors gain your nuclear technology? Thats unrealistic.

No matter how you look at it, it just creates way too many problems for everybody if Iran gets nukes

It mainly creates problems for Israel, because they will cease to be the only nuclear power in the Middle East. It creates problems to a lesser extent for some Sunni Arabs who don't want to see Iran throw its weight around. Why should we as Armenians care about what Israelis and Sunni Arabs think about Iran?

This is assuming they're going to develop a nuke. They are still at least a decade away from doing so. And even when they develop them, they still need to have adequate nuclear bombers which can deliver the nukes on a target.

[SevSpitak]

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Russia, China, France, etc aren't going to start lobbing nukes over religion anytime soon. That's what I mean by 'bad'.

How can you be so sure about that? So far the only nation to have used it is United States. Just because Muslim nations say they'll use it if they are threatened and others don't open their mouths, doesn't mean they really won't do it when the time comes. Be cautious about the silent ones, not the ones with the big mouth.

[Muhaha]

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Not to mention Armenia...

Isn't ANYBODY worried a nuclear weapon might be smuggled by one of the millions of azeris living in Iran into Azerbaijan and then used on Armenia? I'm sure Iran's military contains a high number of people who support Azerbaijan, and would love to pass one over to Alyiev.

No matter how you look at it, it just creates way too many problems for everybody if Iran gets nukes.

[Muhaha]

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What about Israel?

One of the first things I said in this thread was that Israel should also be disarmed and I've already stated numerous times my beef isn't with only Muslims or Iran. It's with any nation run by a group of people who think there's an invisible man in the sky giving people orders.

The only reason I'm emphasizing Islam is because it's the loudest and most passionate of today's religions.

[Mos]

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btw armenia can use iran as advantage again.we can get nuclear things from them and prospect armenia to be stronger against turkey and azerbaijan

nuclear things from Iran?? What do you want Armenia to get carpet bombed and economically isolated by the West? Armenia should stay away from Iran's nuclear program. Iranian people much more support muslim Azerbaijan than Armenia, mostly because of religion and the fact so many Azeris are in Iran.

[Parskahay]

Re: IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

btw armenia can use iran as advantage again.we can get nuclear things from them and prospect armenia to be stronger against turkey and azerbaijan

[ArmSurvival]

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Russia, China, France, etc aren't going to start lobbing nukes over religion anytime soon. That's what I mean by 'bad'.

What about Israel? Their state ideology is based on Old Testament stories from the Bronze Age, which is even crazier than an Islamic theocracy. Nontheless they have hundreds of nukes stockpiled in secret silos. Do you know how Israel obtained their nuclear weapons? They developed them secretly, and nobody would have known about it if it weren't for a brave J ewish whistleblower named Mordechai Vanunu, who was later kidnapped in Italy by Mossad agents and thrown in an Israeli dungeon where he is still rotting. If he didn't sacrifice his own life by opening his mouth, no one today would have known that Israel has nukes. Yet Israel is treated as a legitimate nation.

And how did the world react to Israel's secret nuclear program? Instead of punishing or sanctioning them, they gave them jets that were capable of carrying and dropping their nukes hundreds of miles outside of Israel. But somehow, its Israel out of all countries thats worried about Iran, and the west is mostly concerned because Israel feels threatened. Israel is like the west's high-maintenance girlfriend who always gets in trouble with strange men.

And realistically, Iran's leaders are not stupid, they're not going to start dropping nukes on people, and they're not going to sell their nukes to people on the blackmarket who can turn around and use them on Iran. Nukes are simply a weapon which discourages people from attacking your country. Iran doesn't want to be the next Iraq, which is what the west is planning for them REGARDLESS whether they have nukes or not.

[Eddo211]

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In my opinion Iran is a long way from manufacturing nuclear weapons (anybody thinks they wouldn't want nukes are kidding themselves). You need to enrich Uranium to 90% before you can have a bomb. Currently USA, Russia, and France have suggested a deal to Iran for Russia to enrich Uranium to the 20% needed for nuclear power with France being one of the few nations capable to make the sophisticated fuel rods for Iran’s power generation and medical use. At 20% the Uranium can no longer be enriched to weapons grade. Iran has refused so far and stated that they can manage to make the rods themselves and they already are capable of enriching to 20%.

If the West decides to take out the Iranian facilities they face many problems. First of all Israel cannot do it by itself and it will fail badly due to large area that has to be covered. There are three ways to get to Iran that Israel considers. Through Iraq by obtaining clearance from the US controlled Iraqi airspace. Through Syria or through Turkey (which seems doubtful with their latest fiasco).

Also the latest pentagon intelligence states that in order to be successful in reaching the deeply buried facilities scattered around the large country tactical nukes have to be used. First a bunker buster bomb will make a hole and then the low radiation tactical nuke to take out the facilities (which are very close to populated areas btw). The other way would be to take out power generators and water factories (both needed in great quantity for nuclear power/weapon construction) which would also adversely affect the people of Iran. This will only set them back for two years according to the studies.

I personally think that a nuclear Mullah is a very very bad idea but are they going to use it on Israel or say Saudi Arabia? I say No. Destroying the futures state of Pals or damaging Al Aqsa mosque or killing Arabs in big numbers will be met with great reaction from the Arab word, not to mention Western powers retaliation.

The biggest nuclear threat that I see in the world is Pakistan with Al Qaeda growing influence in that unstable country. If the authorities’ loose control there is a chance that jihadists will get their hand on at least a dirty bomb and decide to light it off in USA.

[KarotheGreat]

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How are you so sure they will never use it? How do you know they won't have an irrational leader in 5 years or 10 years or tomorrow?

And also, Iran's history is FAR from just being defensive. If I remember correctly, I think Armenians have had to fight them off on a couple of occasions....

In the last 200 years the Persians haven't attacked any one they were the ones who were being attacked. And those wars were so long ago that they don't matter for today.

And no one can be more irrational than Kim Il of North Korea and he's got an A-bomb do you see him using it? No, because he knows the moment he uses it, it will be the moment that his country will be attacked and bombed back o the stone age by every nation on this planet.

Only ones has a A-bomb been used in the last 60 years, if the Russians and Americans didn't use it on each other Iran isn't going to use it either.

[Muhaha]

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Again, what does this have to do with Muslims or the Middle-Easterns? Can you name me ONE person in power (as in presidents, politicians, prime ministers, etc.) who aren't bad?

Russia, China, France, etc aren't going to start lobbing nukes over religion anytime soon. That's what I mean by 'bad'.