Iranian-Armenian relations

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

... like you who are out to create tension between Iran and Armenia are helping the Turkish cause. ... You don’t represent Iran nor the majority of Iranians views. ... ghalat kardi….toghmato mikeshim.

Iranians would be unified with my position in condemning a middle-aged loser that that encourages dumb Armenian kids to spit on Iranian women; threaten tourists; laugh at peoples' religious clothing; and harass them.

You Sir will be welcomed with flowers in Iran, right? You are in no position to make these types of threats: "ghalat kardi….toghmato mikeshim" and Iran doesn't need or want people like you within its borders. Enjoy your life in the diaspora.

Originally Posted by Mos
I see any of those people I either curse them off or spit on them. Few times bunch of rowdy Iranians came and me and Armenian friends started laughing at there concealed women and their men's speaking and dressing. Iranians thought they could say something to us and we replied that we would bring a whole freaking army and beat the xxxx out of each Iranian here. They saw we were serious and ran away like little rabbits. ....

Originally Posted by Eddo211
Target troublemakers only Mos…

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Turkey-Iran ties

Iran, Turkey, Azerbaijan strengthen ties
Tehran Times Political Desk

TEHRAN - The two-day Iran-Turkey-Azerbaijan trilateral forum, which was attended by the foreign ministers of the three countries, concluded in Urmia, West Azerbaijan Province on Sunday.

Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi held separate talks with Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu and Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Elmar Mammadyarov on the sidelines of the meeting on Sunday.

Salehi and Mammadyarov stated that providing customs facilities, increasing the volume of trade between Iran and Azerbaijan, and expanding cooperation in various areas must be put on the agenda.

They also emphasized the necessity of implementing the agreements signed by the two countries.

Mammadyarov also extended an invitation to Salehi to visit Azerbaijan.

In another meeting, Salehi and Davutoglu explored ways to increase the volume of trade between Tehran and Ankara.

Salehi stated that Iran and Turkey have good cooperation in the regional and international arenas and called for closer bilateral cooperation between the two countries.

Davutoglu said that the trilateral meeting of Iranian, Turkish, and Azerbaijani foreign ministers paved the way for the expansion of regional cooperation.

And Turkey is keen to increase cooperation with Iran, particularly in economic interactions and the area of transportation, he added.

Iran, Turkey open new border crossing

Iran and Turkey opened a new border crossing during a ceremony held in Urmia on Saturday.

The Razi-Kapikoy border crossing is the third border crossing between Iran and Turkey, connecting Iran’s West Azerbaijan Province and Turkey’s Van Province.

Salehi, Davutoglu, and Mammadyarov attended the opening ceremony, which was held on the sidelines of their trilateral meeting.

The Turkish foreign minister delivered a speech during the ceremony, in which he said that the opening of the third border crossing between Iran and Turkey will mark a turning point in the relations between the two countries.

“Today (Saturday) the border crossing will be opened for the traffic of passengers and light vehicles, and will be ready for the passage of heavy vehicles on September 11,” Davutoglu stated.

Strengthening ties with neighboring states in all areas has been a foreign policy priority of Turkey over the past eight years, he added.

Davutoglu also stated that the volume of trade between Iran and Turkey is currently $10 billion and will reach $30 billion in the near future given the fact that a new border crossing has been opened between the two countries.

The Iranian foreign minister also delivered a speech at the ceremony, in which he said that the inauguration of the Razi-Kapikoy border crossing will help increase cooperation between Iran and Turkey.

Tehran and Ankara should make every effort to strengthen their relations, Salehi added.

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

If you didn't make poor choices; If you learned from past mistakes; If you didn't alienate allies; If you rejected policies that cause the dispersion of Armenians to all corners of the globe and the exploitation of your people; If you didn't embrace a Soviet ideology that banned the Armenian Church; If you didn't constantly waste your time arguing here and devoted your time to supporting Armenians with your time and resources; and if you dropped your self righteous attitude ... then you wouldn't have tell everyone about heroic exploits and sacrifices because you would have had fewer problems to contend with in the first place:

First off the Armenian Church still operated during Soviet Times, it was just under bigger pressure because of the Soviet rule. Second, our becoming part of Soviet Union did wonders for us in terms of our development both of our country and of our culture. During Soviet Time, Armenia was the Silicon Valley - the technological golden point of the Soviet Union. Our economy was strong and the 100 years or so under Soviet Union was like a mini-golden age for us. Yerevan grew during this time from a village to the cultural capital of Armenians. And yes the Russians who brought this to us, also saved us from being consumed by the Turks. Tell me were the Iranians also during this time fighting along side Armenians defending us from the Turks?

[Eddo211]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Not today, but tomorrow? (دشمن امروز نمی باشد.... اما فردا؟)

Not likely….in fact these relations are improving dramatically (bring back the Silk Road)and people like you who are out to create tension between Iran and Armenia are helping the Turkish cause.

Turkey, Iran open third border crossing in regional cooperation effort

Sunday, April 17, 2011
ANKARA - Daily News with wires



Iran and Turkey have opened a third border crossing at Kapıköy in eastern Turkey’s Van province, in what the foreign ministers of both countries called a symbol of friendship amid increased regional cooperation efforts.

The three countries will take joint steps to strengthen cooperation in the fields of trade, industry, joint ventures, transportation, communication, energy, tourism, science and technology. They will also let their intelligence services and security units work cooperatively against terrorism, organized crime and the smuggling of drugs, weapons and humans.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=turkey-iran-azerbaijan-move-to-deepen-regional-cooperation-2011-04-17

Iran, Azerbaijan, Turkey discuss ties

Sunday Apr 17, 201109:12 AM GMT



Foreign ministers of Iran, Azerbaijan and Turkey have stressed the importance of improving relations in all fields and holding regular consultation on regional and international developments.


Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi and his Azeri counterpart Elmar Mammadyarov discussed ways to promote mutual relations in various political, economic and cultural fields, IRNA reported on Sunday.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/175244.html

Like I said: Iran has 1.65 million square km of land and 80 million people (within our boundaries); Iran is one of the oldest civilizations in continuous existence (like China); This should give you sense of whether we know our enemies or not.

You don’t represent Iran nor the majority of Iranians views.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

If you didn't make poor choices; If you learned from past mistakes; If you didn't alienate allies; If you rejected policies that cause the dispersion of Armenians to all corners of the globe and the exploitation of your people; If you didn't embrace a Soviet ideology that banned the Armenian Church; If you didn't constantly waste your time arguing here and devoted your time to supporting Armenians with your time and resources; and if you dropped your self righteous attitude ... then you wouldn't have tell everyone about heroic exploits and sacrifices because you would have had fewer problems to contend with in the first place.

This is where your short-sided machismo got you (not to mention the lack of protection from the AG):



I am proud to say that the Armenian church has been in longer continuous existence in Iran than Armenia ... think about it.

We do what ever we like because we are free to do aka it's non of your business what we do or don't do. Armenia will never belong to Iran no matter how much anti-Armenian BS you post here. Because that's the only thing that you are posting here anti-Armenian BS nothing that contributes to this forum or the relationship between our people.

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

diasporan communities have disappeared throughout the centuries, only in Armenia has there been continuity

You have any idea how much money flows from the diaspora to Armenia? Who do you think those 2 million Armenians in Russia are supporting? Or the half a million in USA? The amount of remittances that flow to Armenia from Diaspora are huge, almost every family in Armenia has a family member abroad, most of times supporting them. The diaspora is essential for Armenia's survival, who do you think was sending money, weapons, and soldiers to Armenia during Karabakh War? Who do you think has invested million in Yerevan and other projects such as Airport? Speak carefully next time and be mindful of the amount of help Diaspora has brought and continues bringing to Armenia.

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

...I was drinking with an ex-Fedayee, a person who fought on the front his brother lost his eyesight on the front line and was captured by the Azeris survived the whole by pure luck and both of them are "self-doubting Yerevanci". Before you again make a xxxxing retarded anti-Armenian comment stop and think all the people that sacrificed their lives on the battlefield ....

If you didn't make poor choices; If you learned from past mistakes; If you didn't alienate allies; If you rejected policies that cause the dispersion of Armenians to all corners of the globe and the exploitation of your people; If you didn't embrace a Soviet ideology that banned the Armenian Church; If you didn't constantly waste your time arguing here and devoted your time to supporting Armenians with your time and resources; and if you dropped your self righteous attitude ... then you wouldn't have tell everyone about heroic exploits and sacrifices because you would have had fewer problems to contend with in the first place.

This is where your short-sided machismo got you (not to mention the lack of protection from the AG):



- I am proud to say that the Armenian church has been in longer continuous existence in Iran than Armenia ... think about it.
- I am proud to say that more Armenians survived pogroms on Iranian soil than in Russian-controlled-Armenia or Armenia-SSR ... think about it.

Armenia is a small fragment of what it was under Persian protection ... we don't want some tiny clump of land or to introduce a brainwashed Post-Bolshevik 5th column into Iran ... are you kidding? If we let some of the clowns on this board into Iran, they would screw it up for the other Armenians living in Iran.

The people I feel most sorry for are the legions of Armenians in the diaspora who had to suffer the failed policies and choices of other Armenians while that same mentality draws the other Armenians into another round of madness. When a whale beaches itself, other whales invariably follow. Armenians need a new compass to navigate the region in the form of leadership that acknowledges past errors and secures a better future.

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

I think you fail to understand how power works. If I own and run a business, I can make my employees wear whatever I choose for them. As elected officials of government, they have the power to enforce any laws which are supported by the people. If the majority of the people are conservative and aren't complaining about the laws then that is their prerogative. Also remember that in every traditional society, the elders are respected as being wise (This was true even with native Indians). If the young generation wants to take power from the old, they better think about working for that right since the old generation worked their butts off to build the world that the youth are destroying. If the government has no right in deciding what people wear, then why are these clothes being banned in Europe? Most likely it's because the fashionistas can't profit from Muslim women.

I am talking more about wisdom of a government telling its people what to wear. Why should everybody be forced to wear the same dress because a portion of the population holds such conservative views? You think everybody supports such policies? Tell me why then do Iranian women dress more open than European women when they are tourists in Yerevan? It's is interesting to understand this very fact, and whenever interviewed they say that they come to Armenia because Armenia has freedoms that Iran doesn't. So even in this respect I have very high doubts that a majority of Iranians wholeheartedly support all the penal codes. I don't agree with France banning the full veil, as I believe it violates the same principle that I am talking about. Though in the end of the day, Iran is a theocracy and thus all this is expected from such a government form.

And now you start with the name calling how cute. You said what you said so don't try to back track. Then go to his house and don't come back, we don't need self hating Armenians like you in Armenia.
The problems of Armenia will be fixed by us not by a Persian or a Russian or anyone else and certainly not someone who thinks Armenia belongs to Iran.

This.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

You jerk! I am talking about people in leadership positions in Yerevan

Yes his house has been far more solid than ours

If you can't see that simple fact you love burying your head in the sand,
then be an ostrich, but your place would be in fields or in a large chicken coop not
on these boards!

And now you start with the name calling how cute. You said what you said so don't try to back track. Then go to his house and don't come back, we don't need self hating Armenians like you in Armenia.
The problems of Armenia will be fixed by us not by a Persian or a Russian or anyone else and certainly not someone who thinks Armenia belongs to Iran.

[lampron]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Two days ago I was drinking with an ex-Fedayee, a person who fought on the front his brother lost his eyesight on the front line and was captured by the Azeris survived the whole by pure luck and both of them are "self-doubting Yerevanci". Before you again make a xxxxing retarded anti-Armenian comment stop and think all the people that sacrificed their lives on the battlefield and on the people back on the home front suffering because of all the blockades. I don't think you were living in Hayastan back then but I was growing up there so I know what people where going through, so I will not allow you to make a mockery of everything the whole Armenian nation sacrificed in the war.

PS if you love his house so much go there and stay there

You jerk! I am talking about people in leadership positions in Yerevan

Yes his house has been far more solid than ours

If you can't see that simple fact you love burying your head in the sand,
then be an ostrich, but your place would be in fields or in a large chicken coop not
on these boards!