Iranian-Armenian relations

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

...Persepolis declaring that Armenia is part of Greater Iran.

Where did you see this? Can you give a quote?
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Of course: I am not going to shy away from history.

Pay attention:

* Darius Arshakuni (born about 40 BC Khorasan, Iran). Iranian King. LINK http://ellis-pagoria.com/getperson.php?personID=I25041&tree=ellis

* Arshakuni Dynasty of Armenia (Արշակունի) - from 54 AD to 428 AD. LINK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsacid_Dynasty_of_Armenia

* We know what the Arshakuni family looked like:


* We know these Iranian-Armenians (Arshakunis) still exist (not including the ones that intermarried with Persians):

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Excuse me, but which "Armenian" tribe was this gentleman from?


For anyone that wants to see where Khorason is:

[Regarding the forced changing of names.] In the case of Turkey yes, with Iran no, many interethnic marriages happened, google the Bagratid dynasty, at a stage the culture was almost entirely similar, then Byzantines, Christianity and Islam came into play and changed it.

You my friend are totally correct. The above example is from prior to the birth of Jesus. It actually goes back much further than that.

More on that Here: http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread....anian+armenian

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

You two have ruined this thread as far as I am concerned....if that was you guys plan then it succeeded.

No it wasn't. This thread got ruined when Persopolis started attacking me being a "Azeri spy". All I was doing is trying to give a proper unbiased look at our relations with Iran, and Iran's intentions and predispositions. This then transitioned to Persepolis declaring that Armenia is part of Greater Iran and that Armenians are part of Iranian sphere, which angered me even more.

[Eddo211]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

You two have ruined this thread as far as I am concerned....if that was you guys plan then it succeeded.

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Between you and Pasopolis I swear I am going to hit somebody....I never loose my cool on the internet but you two are driving me to the edge. Mareh taghem

Cool it Eddo. I was making this point because Persepolis didn't believe me that Iranian women dress relatively openly when coming to Armenia. There is nothing anti-Iranian in this! And for the millionth time I am not anti-Iranian!

[Eddo211]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Between you and Pasopolis I swear I am going to hit somebody....I never loose my cool on the internet but you two are driving me to the edge. Mareh taghem

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

There is nothing wrong in those videos Mos.....stop the anti Iranian bullsh1t already. What are you a Rebbi or a Mullah? Well you can't be a Mullah so whatup.

The reason I posted that was to show that when Iranians come to Armenia, they don't all stick with the dress that they are required to wear at home, and that many throw the headscarf and were Western clothes, men and women. I didn't say it was wrong that they are doing that, I was just making a point.

[Eddo211]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Lol, one random picture doesn't prove it. I've been in Armenia and seen those women dressed rather openly, I have heard a lot of the things they were doing and how they were behaving from friends and family.

Here's video of Iranians talking about why they visit Armenia: http://www.rferl.org/content/iranian...l/2347526.html



Some iranian fans dressed pretty western: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OxfpZ9-Nhs (drunk armenian get in fight with iranians lol)

There is nothing wrong in those videos Mos.....stop the anti Iranian bullsh1t already. What are you a Rebbi or a Mullah? Well you can't be a Mullah so whatup.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

So it's my fault that I am looking out for my people - and it's my fault for calling attention to the anti-Iranian platform this forum has turned into? And you're an Iranian-Armenian that can defend the statements below vis-a-vis Iranians and the moderation choices of the site supervisors, right?

Guess what? I am Iranian. I didn't come here to look the other way when I see crap of the type below; and neither will any other self-respecting Iranian. If you are in Iran (no matter who you are), you need to understand that, or find somewhere more suitable to live because Iran does not and cannot tolerate a subversive and unpatriotic faction. Got it?

I will demand answers from the Armenian church and government leaders in Iran. I am not here to suck your balls.

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Originally Posted by Mos
Iranians are becoming cancer to Armenia and should be deported.

Originally Posted by Mos
Go pray towards Mecca and shout 'allahu akbar'

Originally Posted by Mos
We should severly limit the influx of people from muslim countries such as Iran. We don't need our great country to turn into a criminal haven.

Originally Posted by Mos
Parskahyes [Iranian-Armenians] apparently have 2 allegiances, Armenia and Iran.

Originally Posted by Mos
Liberated women threaten in assimilation and because of that attract people like the Persian hooligans to fill up Yerevan.

Originally Posted by Mos
no sensible Armenian family would accept a Muslim and you would have a really hard time being accepted in Armenia.

Originally Posted by Mos
Yes the Christian Armenians are more Armenian than the Hemshin people.

Originally Posted by Mos
Judaism has not done what Islam has done to the Middle east.

Originally Posted by levon1
And what would an Iranian-Azari do anyway? There is one here and after an argument I spit in his face.

Originally Posted by arakeretzig
Anyway, I hope Israel finishes this "palestinian" menace once and for all. Cast Lead 2 should commence soon. You have to admire Israel's patience for all this time.

Originally Posted by Mos
Apparently you haven't roamed the villages of Armenia that much. There's good amount of Islamophobia, especially from the old folks.

Originally Posted by Mos
We just have to scare away the Iranians since government is not doing anything looks like. And I'll assure you Hayastanics are really annoyed of these muslim persians.

Originally Posted by Muhaha
I think it's best if Muslims stay as far away as possible from Armenia.

Originally Posted by Mos
If you held allegiance to Iran above Armenia, than yes you are a traitor to Armenia, because that means you would act for the interests of Iran over Armenia.

If it is politeness you are after then this forum in its present form is not the place to find it. Nor is it the place to find much useful and intelligent discussion.

Moderators do their best in a limited way, but their actions are about as effective as swatting a few flies while the swamp they breed from is allowed to continue to exist. The whole swamp needs draining. I think this forum needs to go back to a year one, with a necessary culling of many of its members and strict rules and enforcements to ensure they can never return and just repeat their past sins. They are at best pointless, at worst, very dangerous. They seem to exist only to alienate people. Thanks to them, this forum is actually an anti-Armenian platform, not just an anti-Iranian platform.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Context - Lake Urmiah is in Northern Iran near the Turkish border. Russians occupied it and let the Turks slaughter people. This is one of the reasons I find it odd that Russia escapes criticism (as do the Armenians that took Armenia in the direction of "Armenia-SSR.")

NY Times 1915.


The protection of Christians by local Persian and Iranian-Azari civilians is also confirmed in the 1915 British report: "Many Moslems tried to save their Christian neighbours and offered them shelter in their houses, but the Turkish authorities were implacable." (Bryce, James Lord. British Government Report on the Armenian Massacres of Aprilā€“December 1915.)

In the ranking of propaganda versus truth, Iranian historiography is a bit better that Turkish, but not by that much. So it is understandable that Iranian historiography (in common with most nationalist or ideology-based "histories") finds itself in difficulties when has to accurately examine certain events in Iran's past.

Thanks to the near state of collapse of Persia by the start of the 20th century the central government lost control of its remoter districts. To secure its border against bandit and Islamist raids from Persian territory, and to give some measure of security to the settled peoples of northern Persia, that part of Persia became a sort of unoffical protectorate of the Russian empire, policed by the Russian army.

After WW1 started, at the end of 1914 the Russians withdrew their limited armed forces from the Urmia and Tabriz regions in order to defend their own territory against the invading Turks. The Ottoman army then also invaded Persian territory and, with elements (Kurds, mostly) of the local population, immediately started to commit widespread massacres of the Christian population. The massacres only ceased when the Russian army restored stability in its Caucasus front after the Turkish defeat at the battle of Sarikamish and then felt able to release part of its forces to re-enter Persia and drive out the invading Turks. By the end of March the Ottoman army had mostly been driven out, and then retreated all the way to Van, murdering and plundering as it went. The Russian army that was eventually sent to relieve the besieged Armenians in Van came via Persia.

These genocidal massacres in Persian territory by Ottoman forces working with local Turks and Kurds predate the massacres of Armenians in the Ottoman territories by many months and reveal that the intent to commit genocide was an implicit element of the Turkish war aims for the outset. However, since it was not Armenians being murdered, Armenian scholars ignore these events and so ignore what is an essential early stage of the history of what became the Armenian genocide.

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Since you pretend not to remember your own words - if you can substantively & honestly reply, do so by hitting the quote button, without evading the questions:

I asked you to show me where I have advocated spitting and harassing Iranian women. That quote doesn't show it. Back up your statements next time. If there are rowdy, hooligan Iranian tourists, than yes I won't be nice to them nor should any local Armenian.