Iranian-Armenian relations

[ninetoyadome]

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its BS, Iran wouldnt back stab Armenia like this. On the contrary they have come out wanting to expand relations with Armenia, not isolate Armenia. Also its coming from 1news.az which we know reports the truth.

[Mos]

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Iran may join anti-Armenian project of Ankara and Baku


May 05, 2011 | 19:33
Opening of new Kars-Igdir-Nakhchivan railway, continuation of Baku-Tbilisi-Kars project will enable to further strengthen relations between Turkey and Azerbaijan.

The railway estimated at $750 million will connect Nakhchivan with Azerbaijan and Turkey, 1news.az reported referring to Turkish media. Besides, Iran may join the project in the future.

The railway constructed bypassing Armenia is aimed at its isolation.

[Artsakh]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I3pp...eature=related

[Artsakh]

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Iran not interested in Armenia-Turkey rapprochement - expert

April 25, 2011 | 16:44

YEREVAN. - The Russian-Georgian war in 2008 changed the geopolitical situation in the region and claims of key players, keeping their attention fixed on the Armenia-Turkey relations, Professor of Russian Academy of Natural Sciences A. Avetisyan said at an international conference on Armenian-Turkey relations in Yerevan.

According to him, Turkey started to play against Brussels and Washington in favor of Moscow after the Russian-Georgian war.

“Meanwhile Ankara began to compete with Moscow in increasing its role as a regional player. To this end, Turkey became interested in the normalization process with Armenia,” the scientist said.

The expert stressed that the normalization process of Armenian-Turkish relations conflicts with Tehran’s interests. To put it mildly, Iran does not welcome Ankara’s increasing role as a regional player, he said.

“Tehran has always viewed the Armenian factor to deter Ankara’s increasing role in the region,” he noted.

[Artsakh]

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Armenia should try to attract civilized Iranians to visit Armenia, a large part of the work relies on us. If Armenians promote "clubs", "prostitutes" and those things, more of these "sex" tourists from Iran will visit Armenia. If Armenia builds a good infrastructure, neat, luxury hotels and resorts and develops it's tourism industry (and arts, music, etc), more cultural Iranians will visit Armenia. It's just as simple as that.

Armenians should attract all types of tourists, it's a great source of revenue. There is nothing wrong with clubs, especailly when nearly 100% of the girls are dancers from Ukraine and Russia, we've got noting to worry about.

Armenia is hardly a "sex tourist" destination, theyve got the ugliest prostitutes ever. If you're going to armenia for that purpose, then you must have some screws loose and must be one desparate f**k. You might try amsterdam, poland has got some great wh*re houses, south of the border from the US, such a great selections, and you pick the Hopari Txas of Armenia???? hahahhahahahahaha

when buds go out, no matter where they are, they try to chase chicks. it's normal human behvariour. there's nothing inherently wrong with that. of course iranians trying this in armenia might end up with a broken nose and black eye, but it doesn't mean they're somehow bad or anti armenian.

secondly, plenty of normal iranians go on family vacations to armenia, for summer rest, and vacations.

AND FINALLY, let's put and end to all this nonsence regarding "iranian individuals". this isn't about that, or how stupid some are and can be. this thread is about the streategic relationship between the Islamic republic of armenia, and the republic of Armenia. Get serious people.

[Tigranakert]

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1. Did Iranians 'who have never seen a girl before' film this one and put it online, or do those stereotypes only work in one direction? http://www.videoyan.com/video/34252/...revan--Armenia

2. You do know that the guy who posted that video says in his comments that he's 15 years old, right? Ever look at girls rear-ends when you were 15? A kid posts a video of woman walking in tight pink pants under the heading "perfect A**" -- whose *fault* is it that she's walking in walking in public like that? Obviously, it's usually allowed to take pictures of people walking in public. If she put a basket of fruit on her head and her picture taken in public - whose fault is that?

3. Did you get any sense that he is a Muslim? A j,ew? An Iranian-Armenian?

I'll tell you what: You tell Armenian men not to look at women from other countries; and I'll make sure that kid takes down that video.

But remember: If you use over-broad stereotypes against Iranians -- especially an Iranian man; you're in for a bad day.

Haha don't worry Persopolis, I just posted this because you also offended Armenians numerous times making some stupid generalizations, just wanted to tease you.

Armenians are great friends of Iranians, we were, are, and will remain strategic partners. Anyways, I never mentioned all Iranians were like that, I think you should read better next time.

There are one thousands positive sides of having close relations with Iranians, and just a few "negative" things which should be dealt with by both countries. Problems Iranians cause in Armenia (together with Armenians) are drug and sex trafficking, which is widely spread in Iran, but should be prevented to be spread out to Armenia. Unfortunately, the last two factors are what common people see in their daily lives, which gives a bad name to all Iranians, as human beings in general love to generalize.

Armenia should try to attract civilized Iranians to visit Armenia, a large part of the work relies on us. If Armenians promote "clubs", "prostitutes" and those things, more of these "sex" tourists from Iran will visit Armenia. If Armenia builds a good infrastructure, neat, luxury hotels and resorts and develops it's tourism industry (and arts, music, etc), more cultural Iranians will visit Armenia. It's just as simple as that.

[Persopolis]

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Iranians, probably never having seen a girl before, filming Armenian girls and putting it online:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZYEiLJ9V-s

1. Did Iranians 'who have never seen a girl before' film this one and put it online, or do those stereotypes only work in one direction? http://www.videoyan.com/video/34252/...revan--Armenia

2. You do know that the guy who posted that video says in his comments that he's 15 years old, right? Ever look at girls rear-ends when you were 15? A kid posts a video of woman walking in tight pink pants under the heading "perfect A**" -- whose *fault* is it that she's walking in walking in public like that? Obviously, it's usually allowed to take pictures of people walking in public. If she put a basket of fruit on her head and her picture taken in public - whose fault is that?

3. Did you get any sense that he is a Muslim? A j,ew? An Iranian-Armenian?

4. How about a little responsibility for the woman or her father? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJa23...eature=related

5. How about this for an idea: When you have 15 million people watching youtube videos of girls in tight pants - that phenomenon is likely not limited to Iranians, right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k6w1...feature=fvwrel It's likely not limited to 15 year old boys, right?

6. How about this guy -- what inferences can you draw from this?

I'll tell you what: You tell Armenian men not to look at women from other countries; and I'll make sure that kid takes down that video.

But remember: If you use over-broad stereotypes against Iranians -- especially an Iranian man; you're in for a bad day.

[Mos]

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Iranians, probably never having seen a girl before, filming Armenian girls and putting it online:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZYEiLJ9V-s

^^^^^ b-oz

[Tigranakert]

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Iranians, probably never having seen a girl before, filming Armenian girls and putting it online:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZYEiLJ9V-s

[Persopolis]

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They don't to my knowledge usually, execute people for treason or espionage in the US.

Not true - US law permits executions for treason and espionage; those laws were recently argued to be strengthened, and they have been enforced by execution. The U.S. practiced chattel slavery and segregation up until very recent history; people at that time engaged in extrajudicial killings (let alone punishment for treason & espionage).

Quick Example:

Ethel Greenglass Rosenberg (September 28, 1915 – June 19, 1953) and Julius Rosenberg (May 12, 1918 – June 19, 1953) were American communists who were executed in 1953 for conspiracy to commit espionage during a time of war. The charges related to passing information about the atomic bomb to the Soviet Union. This was the first execution of civilians for espionage in United States history.[ http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...enbergs_x.htm]

The problem is that when you hang people for 'poltical crimes' that you open up a pandora's box.

Define "political crime" because the US sponsors terror groups that have killed thousands, including PMOI, PJAK, Jundallah, Al Qaeda and many others - the US always frames the capture and execution of these individuals as "human rights violations" to inflate the figures and for propaganda value - I am not suggesting that Iran has never made a mistake in carrying out capital punishment or that I agree with every decision, but what I am suggesting to you is that your statement is simplistic and you will see that the vast majority of cases of politically motivated capital punishment in Iran relate to individuals participating in or aiding and abetting fringe insurgent groups that carry-out random killings against civilians. I'd like to see a serious study as opposed to youtube videos with soft violin music playing in the background that were designed by subversive groups funded by the U.S.

Iran's present system of summary trials is open to abuses of power and their is no rule of law in Iran. As it has Islamic Revolutionary Courts are presided over by clerics and it lacks a independent judiciary.

As a general matter, Iran does not have a widespread and present system of summary trials - when spying, espionage, or treason is concerned those types of hearings are closed door hearings to avoid compromising methods and sources (i.e., you're not going to see it on Oprah). I am not by any means suggesting that this is a perfect system or that it can't be improved, but I am suggesting that as to each case you believe was a summary trial you dig deeper than what is printed in the Western press; and consider that in many of those cases you may have been misled.

Second point: The concept of an independent judiciary is a myth -- take for example the U.S. Judges hold stocks while ruling on commercial disputes and are appointed by showing many years of loyalty to political cronies; state judges (where most trials are held) are elected and subject to the pressures of their constituency. Even in the U.S. Judges bring their religious and personal prejudices into the courtroom, but they are simply prevented from publicly admitting it (which in some ways is worse).

I want you to read a serious case study by Harvard University on Women in United States Prisons Who Are Raped & Get Back To Me On U.S. human rights practices: http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...s13/geer.shtml Bear in mind that the US snuggles up to Saudi Arabia that will execute you just for being Christian - while suppressing information about this "special relationship." If you want to do a serious comparative legal analysis, it will take more than alluding to cases where Iran hangs members of militant Pan-Turkic groups, PJAK, Jundallah (one of Bin Laden's splinter groups); and PMOI (who aided Saddam in poison gas attacks against Iran).

Iran isn't perfect - but it's a far cry from the Boogy-Man the U.S. wants you to believe it is. Specifically in relation to groups like the *Grey Wolves* -- those guys kill people - it was only recently that one of their members took an ax to an Armenian soldier visiting an officers' training school. If they are going to get involved with those types of groups, there will be consequences in Iran. That kind of incitement can lead to serious harm - Iran does not want that crap within its borders. Why aren't these guys going to Mongolia (their purported homeland) instead? The reason is that they serve one function: to destabilize Iran, ethnically cleanse Iran AND Armenia of Armenians and other officially protected groups, and to fulfill their fantasy of a Pan-Turkic superstate. A legal system should have checks-&-balances to avoid prosecution of the innocent - but it is not enough for me to simply call people that knowingly joined these groups as "victims of political crimes."

I hope that gives you some things to think about - but let's bring the subject matter back to Iran/Armenia relations.