US embassy cables: US fury at Armenia over arms transfers to Iran

[Eddo211]

Re: US embassy cables: US fury at Armenia over arms transfers to Iran

So tell me how many Iranians are coming and fixing schools, fixing roads, making lives for people in rural villages better? No most of that help is coming from Western countries especially US. So stop living in your idiotic illusion that Iran is somehow our saviours and that our future is with them. It's your type of mentality that wishes to become a pawn of Iran that's dangerous.

Iran has helped us a lot and they are good friends. They helped us in NKR war and they support us over Azerbaijan. The relationship between Iran and Armenia is beyond any religious text. Remember Iran is also the number one enemy of Sunni Arabs and now Israel. You cannot put them in the same bag, it would be a strategic failure and a betrayal of the Armenian cause if we alienate our old Iranian friends.

And same Iran does the same relations with Azerbaijan, just the other day Ahmadinejad was in Baku and said that Azeris are their brothers. So just stop with your naive propaganda. Nations only care about themselves and their economies, including your homeland of Iran.

The top general of IRG slapped him in the face right there in Baku for saying that. hahaha.

I'm more scared of people like you that will betray Armenia for countries such as iran, and support Armenia being subjugated to them.

Long live Armenia, not Iran, and f*ck anybody who says otherwise....

Long live our Persan and Russian brothers. We will also continue to increase our pull in the Western arena

[Tigranakert]

Re: US embassy cables: US fury at Armenia over arms transfers to Iran

Well I'll have the decency of not resorting to personal attacks (even though I really feel like I should curse you until your pants falls down in Armenian), a decency you severely lack and self control which you don't know the meaning of.

You know Armenia receives the 2nd most aid per capita from the US after Israel? We need the support of US and other Western nations and Turkey/Azerbaijan will use the alleged weapon sale as anti-Armenian propaganda in the Western world especially the US to prevent this or any genocide recognition.

No we shouldn't have military ties with Iran, I don't want Armenia to get hit by sanctions by all of the West, but of course you will cry for such military relations with Iran, and of course not care that Armenia would be put in the same economic black-hole that Iran is in. I could care less about Iran and their military, it's a theocratic hell hole with little to no future. A regime that's faltering, and a schizophrenic government that bans music. We can have economic relations with them, but we should not go more than that.

So tell me how many Iranians are coming and fixing schools, fixing roads, making lives for people in rural villages better? No most of that help is coming from Western countries especially US. So stop living in your idiotic illusion that Iran is somehow our saviours and that our future is with them. It's your type of mentality that wishes to become a pawn of Iran that's dangerous.

And yes everybody supports Azerbaijan because they have oil and gas, not because they like Azeris. You think the West has this love affair with Turks, NO! It's all for economy. And same Iran does the same relations with Azerbaijan, just the other day Ahmadinejad was in Baku and said that Azeris are their brothers. So just stop with your naive propaganda. Nations only care about themselves and their economies, including your homeland of Iran.

Does Armenia have oil? gas? sea? No! So obviously we are going to be secondary to resource rich countries such as azerbaijan.

I'm more scared of people like you that will betray Armenia for countries such as iran, and support Armenia being subjugated to them.

Long live Armenia, not Iran, and f*ck anybody who says otherwise....

Can you for one time in your life try to actually read what I am saying? Can you for once stop turning my words like an American or European does? I even mentioned I don't promote the sale of weapons to Iran, and you make out of it that I want military relations? You are from inside out a typical American politician, you just see things that are non-existent, because you are brainwashed my friend.

Again, I don't care about Iranian politics, I don't care about how bad America treats its people (30 million and even more live in poverty), I don't care about Italy, I don't care about Russia, I just care about the things that affect Armenia and Armenians. As I mentioned, I want maximum result and relations with the West, as with East, North, South and Alien countries. I don't care about who or what, only if its good for the well being of our nation, and yes we also should have relations with countries who are known for killing innocent people, injustice, terror, genocide, and warfare like America, England, Iran, Saudi Arabia and dozens of other countries.

Once, again, try to actually read what I am stating before making your nonsense comments, you American puppet.

I don't give a damn about the ''money'' America gives to Armenia, I give more about who helps Armenia and Armenians in TIMES WE NEED THEM THE MOST. At times we were near total destruction, it was Russia and IRAN who STOOD UP FOR US. And never, not now, nor in the future, will I forget how the Iranians opened the border and transfered millions of tons of food and other equipment to Armenia.

Thank you Iranian people, we Armenians are grateful for that. Probably Mos's parents also lived on the items you sent.

[Eddo211]

Re: US embassy cables: US fury at Armenia over arms transfers to Iran

Great now because of this Armenia will lose much US support in terms of aid, and especially we can forget about the Genocide resolution in passing as Turks will use this information to show that we are enemies. Great job Serzh or whatever idiot sold those weapons, thanks for screwing Armenia....



http://www.glendalenewspress.com/new...0,818341.story

Even if this is true selling light arms to Iran in 2003 (how the weapons were traced is a big unknown) while our own troops were serving at Iran/Iraq border (where these arms were found).......these guys btw came under insurgent fire and who later were honored personally by President Bush,
man that is nothing compared to Turkey, that is being exposed by Wikileak for not only selling biological/chemical weapons to Iran but also passing on American weapons nuclear technology entrusted to them by USA.....not to mention arming Al Qaeda in Iraq.

[Muhaha]

Re: US embassy cables: US fury at Armenia over arms transfers to Iran

What is the point of continuing this discussion?

1. It was just a hunch the U.S had.
2. Armenia denied it.
3. The U.S never found any evidence that showed Armenia was lying.

What else is there to this non-story?

[Federate]

Re: US embassy cables: US fury at Armenia over arms transfers to Iran

What is the point of continuing this discussion?

1. It was just a hunch the U.S had.
2. Armenia denied it.
3. The U.S never found any evidence that showed Armenia was lying.

What else is there to this non-story?

Seriously. It is not like anything came out of it. Good for us if we did indeed gave them arms, we made a profit off selling weapons and did not get into sh!t for it. Win for Armenia.

Also, what does Armenia have to do with what Iran does with arms it obtains? That's their business, not ours.

[Tigranakert]

Re: US embassy cables: US fury at Armenia over arms transfers to Iran

This article is only used for anti-Armenian purposes and by people who like to make some senseless statements, its not a direct attack but vulnerable people like Mos (and people like bell-the-cat) are usually the ones who use it and pay attention to it.

[Mos]

Re: US embassy cables: US fury at Armenia over arms transfers to Iran

Can you for one time in your life try to actually read what I am saying? Can you for once stop turning my words like an American or European does? I even mentioned I don't promote the sale of weapons to Iran, and you make out of it that I want military relations? You are from inside out a typical American politician, you just see things that are non-existent, because you are brainwashed my friend.

No you're the one whose brainwashed in thinking that nations support other nations because they "like" them. You are in an illusion in thinking that the West in someway likes Azeris or Turks as people. No. This whole world is about economy. Azeris have oil and Armenians don't, so it's pretty obvious what any right-minded nation would do and that is have good relations with Azeris. You try to make the West into this anti-Armenian entity that hates us because we are Armenian. No, that is wrong. Open your eyes, no one gives a sh*t that we are Armenian or what religion we are, all they care about is their own economy, money, oil, and so on. Wake up.

Once, again, try to actually read what I am stating before making your nonsense comments, you American puppet.

Right, calling me an American puppet just proves your point so much more

move on your attempts at attacking me are pathetic and useless....

I don't give a damn about the ''money'' America gives to Armenia, I give more about who helps Armenia and Armenians in TIMES WE NEED THEM THE MOST. At times we were near total destruction, it was Russia and IRAN who STOOD UP FOR US. And never, not now, nor in the future, will I forget how the Iranians opened the border and transfered millions of tons of food and other equipment to Armenia.

Thank you Iranian people, we Armenians are grateful for that. Probably Mos's parents also lived on the items you sent.

Did I ever say cut relations with Iran? No. Stop making things up. I support our economic relations with Iran, I just don't want Armenia to cross the line and be suppressed by Western sanctions as most our economy and humanitarian aid relies on the West.

[Tigranakert]

Re: US embassy cables: US fury at Armenia over arms transfers to Iran

This is getting annoying, what are you talking about? Where did I state nations support other nations because they like them? Where did I state the West īlikesī Turkey or Azerbaijan? Where did I make the West an anti-Armenian identity? Didn't I mention hundreds of times we must have good relations with every country in the world? Wasn't I the one saying that nobody gives a damn about us, and we Armenians should do it ourselves? You seriously have to read what I am writing, or ask someone to translate it in a language you understand.

Don't be afraid, licking other peoples ass will not make us stronger. If you are frigthened of ''sanctions'', something which will never happen, you probably will get a heart attack if you know we are almost in a state of war with Azerbaijan. But somehow you don't, because your more busy trying to figure out how we can please the West and America. You are more busy mixing the Armenian flag with a European one. You are more busy being fiercly ''anti-Dashnak'', even though they are your brethern. And yes, even I am a fellow Armenian brother.

[Mos]

Re: US embassy cables: US fury at Armenia over arms transfers to Iran

This is getting annoying, what are you talking about? Where did I state nations support other nations because they like them? Where did I state the West īlikesī Turkey or Azerbaijan? Where did I make the West an anti-Armenian identity? Didn't I mention hundreds of times we must have good relations with every country in the world? Wasn't I the one saying that nobody gives a damn about us, and we Armenians should do it ourselves? You seriously have to read what I am writing, or ask someone to translate it in a language you understand.

You frequently talk about how the West is out to screw Armenia and that Russia and Iran are our reliable allies, that we should help out Iran "our best allies" when in fact you must realize the only reason they don't outright support Azerbaijan is because of the Azeri minority situation in Northern Iran and all the complicated issues with that. So, it's in Iran's interest to help us. This creates some sort of an illusion that they are our "allies" or "brothers" when in fact they are only doing it for their own self benefit and I bet they would want circumstances permitting to help Azeris as they are closer to them culturally and of course in terms of religion. But as you see that is over-ridden.

Don't be afraid, licking other peoples ass will not make us stronger. If you are frigthened of ''sanctions'', something which will never happen, you probably will get a heart attack if you know we are almost in a state of war with Azerbaijan. But somehow you don't, because your more busy trying to figure out how we can please the West and America. You are more busy mixing the Armenian flag with a European one. You are more busy being fiercly ''anti-Dashnak'', even though they are your brethern. And yes, even I am a fellow Armenian brother.

Yes I am frightened of sanctions by the West and very Armenian who cares about Armenia should be. Look at what sanctions have done to Iran? you want that to happen to Armenia? We are already in a very fragile state sanctions would outright cripple us to death.

Yes, I'm pro EU, so are many politicians and youths in Armenia. I support the government's reforms with the EU and the blossoming relations in political and economic spheres. Our government should further it's political reforms with the EU but keep good relations with Russia, Iran. With Iran more economical than anything else and with Russia strategic/economical. But not to the point of becoming a vassal to Russian big business and interests which has happened to an extent and taken away from our independence.

And yes I disagree with Dashnak politics. They are a political party. I am not supposed to agree with them, and there are many people that disagree with the Dashnak political party. I also hate ASALA, as I hate any group that condones the killing of innocent civilians as a way to achieve a goal.

[Tigranakert]

Re: US embassy cables: US fury at Armenia over arms transfers to Iran

I am surprised on how uninformed you are about almost everything, and I am also surprised I am wasting my time reacting on your posts, but what the hell.

Firstly, I am just countering your senseless statements. Second of all, lets play your game. You say, something which I also say, that world politics is based upon self interests, be it oil, gas or something else. The fact now is, that Europe and America, whose economy is based upon imperialism, just want the oil and gas from Azerbaijan. Iran on the other side, has big problems with Azerbaijan. Simple logic would conclude (something our government does now), that we should have good relations with every country in the world, improve our economic relations with the West and Europe, try to benefit maximum economically and at the same time have good, extensive, economic and political relationship with a close ally, called Iran. Nothing more, nothing less, its that plain simple.

You are just purely a racist, blinded by the thought that the foreign policy of Europe and the West (because I don't care about how they treat their own people, I care about how they are going to treat foreign countries) is based upon democracy, freedom and values. I have to wake you up, it is not. I could state it is even more ruthless and imperialistic than that of Irans or Russia's.

Again, you did not understand my last message, as you do not understand a single one of them. I meant the chances of sanctions are almost zero, I was not talking about how bad the consequences were. What is next, are you going to begin about how America invaded Iraq and bombed Japan? Wake up.

I didn't say you must agree with someones statements, but it tells you what kind of person you are, preferring to denigrate other Armenians over for example Azerbaijani terrorists or genocidal Turks.

A big disgrace, amot kez, just the way you easily condemn the whole organization of ASALA. Most of them were against killing of innocent people, a lot of young, proud, Armenian brothers lost their lives during those years and you condemn them all because of some stupid people who did things (killing of innocent) which was strongly forbidden? You have lost all my respect.

Why is it always these fiercly pro-American people who make such disgusting statements? Why are always the pro-American and Europe people so misinformed and biased? Can somebody tell me. I think I know why.

I think you were raised up with these misconceptions of the world.

"It is worthy of remark that a belief constantly inculcated during the early years of life, whilst the brain is impressible, appears to acquire almost the nature of an instinct; and the very essence of an instinct is that it is followed independently of reason."