Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

[Vahram]

Re: Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

Let us not forget history of Iraq and Iran. They both came out of colonial rule as new found democracies. There was direct Western overthrow of these governments. That’s right democratically elected governments were overthrown by the West / Je w.

What would have happened to a Middle East with two such large and important countries that were democratic? Can you just imagine what the world would have been like had the short sighted people meddling in others affairs just left well enough alone?

60 years ago there were new found democracies in the Middle East. Who was the wise who messed this up? The same wise will have to deal with the ramifications now and 1000 years from now. Unlike passed times when history was mere word of mouth. History today is being recorded and there is a lot of recording going on. Not only is American failing so is the Je w with such short sighted thinking and arrogance to boot what did you think was going to happen?

As if past meddling was not enough, they fully engaged in this last round called the Arab spring. Leave it up to them to term this with another catchy term. I see the same pattern here, each time they play around like this it just gets worse. Today they burned a few KFC’s down. Even American chickens can’t escape the so called Arab spring.

While the Middle East burns, the West is not doing much better against Russia, China and a host of others. The last leg of this is the US dollar and that too is on its last leg. It is a shame really because once this goes the entire world will forget about this Democracy thing for a long time. Because if might makes right then all is well under the power of the new bosses. That is exactly what is being done under the banner of freedom and world trade. Choking free people with economics while shutting them up under the ruler of choice, chosen by someone else.

If you think about it America landed man on the moon, they even played golf up there. How in such a short time they could blow it all away with stupid moves and short sighted reasons, back to back one on top of another without learning one single lesson in the process?

[Artashes]

Re: Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

Mohamer Kadafi --- good ruler ???
Basar Al Assad --- pretty good guy ???
Can you imagine how things might have went in the fledgling democracies ???
Our planet hit 1 billion people for the first time in the 1940s. Our planet busted 7 billion people about 95 weeks ago. The difference between an arithmetic progression and a geometric progression is stunning.
Does anyone know of any of these 7billion that are fit to (a) have children (b) vote on what our(collectively) next move should be and(c) actually cares about more than their own lives.
When I looked into why gigawatt(multiple) generators were blasting millions and millions of electrical energy into the sky the multi national corporations popped up on my view. I was compelled to track them. Amongst the several things that came to light was this --- virtually all had passed down from grandfather to father to sun. Trans generational goals that had been laid out and pursued from one generation to the next.
If one looks at their portfolios (multi nationals) you will see they reconfigure approx every 7 years. They dump 40 - 70 percent of their holdings and reshape the corporation till it almost doesn't look the same.
When I started tracking trans generational movers and shackers the catholic church emmediatly came in view.
There is is a whole lot more to this ball game than I'm seeing discussed in these previous posts.
If we are to reduce this world to all we(people) care about we have -- the people -- the govt -- the merchants and an -- x --.
The people are being manipulated (that's easy) the govt are trying to keep power( their big concern) but are being manipulated by a certain segment of the merchant class and the merchant class cares about no one.
Only power.
If you want to stop the bullshxt you need to find the as$hole that it is comming from. Another as$hole won't do.
If you want to give the people a say in how to conduct themselves you might at least make sure that they have the moral integrity to differentiate between their own xxxxxdom and greed before you let them vote on anything.
We Armenians have been destroyed and scattered to the four winds. A small remnant is left on some of our tradional land. Our culture has been greatly disrupted.
Looking to china as a good example of human conduct is as laughable as Mohamer gadafy is a good leader as the confusion I'm seeing.
If your not looking for the as$hole the shxts going to keep comming.
Artashes
I went through the extra move bitxh, did that get it for yor punc as$?

[retro]

Re: Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

By stating that The USA has exasperated the situation in the middle east by mismanaging it is being unreasonable? You sound like a republican presidential candidate. Decades of forced dictatorship on the people of the middle east whose aim was to keep the west happy and get as fat as possible doing it had no effecton these people? The USA/Isreal killed off all progressive minded reformers in Arab countries to make sure all they have is a sick regime like Saudi Arabia. Being born a Arab or Muslim doesnt mean being stupid or incapable - these people wanted to and tried to do the right things but time and again the western powers denied them the freedom to do it to make sure they stay subjegated and obedient to western demands. Kadafi is a good example - he kept islamists under control, he managed his country well, he founded and supported the African Union but you see this kind of progress is exactly what the western powers don't want to see because it has less control over them then the reliable dictator who stays inline and does what heis told. There were plenty of chances for the west to do the right thing but it always chose the xxxxiest possible thing to do and so now here we are.

I know that US policy makers are large part problem. However this anti-western rhetoric of your isn't very constructive.

While over the years the interests of many Arab elites have convergence with the West's. The Arabs autocratic governments aren't a Western creation and the Arabs ruling class certainly aren't reformers. Since for the most they are looking to preserve their own standing and the Islamists are naturally extremely reactionary.

You aren't going to govern a wild bunch like that crowd in North Africa by consensus and a lot of these Muslim are savages.

[Vahram]

Re: Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

"lot of these Muslim are savages. "

Nobody is taking away any blame here, and as for these savages you are not the only one with this opinion. That being said there is no excuse for overthrowing of the governments, democratically elected or not. The West has played with reckless abandon and is now reaping the rewards of this fruit. Why are they not attacking Russian or Chinese embassies? They may yet do so if this get out of control, but even with this stupid out of control crowd they are still targeting the Western powers. Sadly the reasons are too many, again the internal lack of modern thinking in this part of the world puts them into the savage category.

You don’t give a monkey a hammer in a china shop and expect them to behave. You don’t act shocked after the money breaks all the glass in the shop. The West gave the monkey the hammer, put them on the side of the shop where they wanted things destroyed. Now they are crying because the monkey is out of control and just smashing everything. The West has used this monkey for it’s dirty deeds when it suits them. Too bad the monkey does not have an on off switch, I don’t think the West would complain if they could only turn off this monkey of theirs at will.

[Vahram]

Re: Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

"Mohamer Kadafi --- good ruler ???
Basar Al Assad --- pretty good guy ???

If you don't know the history of democracy in Iraq and Iran please go read first before making claims.

"Can you imagine how things might have went in the fledgling democracies ???"

Seems that you are lost or not reading this right but the mistake is on your part here.

"Looking to china as a good example of human conduct is as laughable as Mohamer gadafy is a good leader as the confusion I'm seeing.
If your not looking for the as$hole the shxts going to keep comming.
Artashes
I went through the extra move bitxh, did that get it for yor punc as$? "

Yes yes, the arse that does not know the history talking about the hole full of sheet. Go do some reading educate yourself, the two countries I mentioned were knifed in the back and their favorit toys came into power. So answer the question will you please? Why did we overthrow the democratically elected government of Iran/Iraq and replace them with stooges who got rid of democracy? Are you now saying to us that you like Sadam and the other guy? Because there were real democracies in place and the boys took them down. Now they are talking about democracy again?...LOL

“If you want to stop the bullshxt you need to find the as$hole that it is comming from. Another as$hole won't do.”

Please stop watching dirty arseholes and spend more time reading not only what is written here as well as what is already known historical facts. The only confusion here is coming on your and some other lost souls that were cast in the wind and no longer read history nor understand it. So stop watching the Arab arse and stop listening the the Western bullsheet and you might just see the sunrise.

[retro]

Re: Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

Vahram

I know that the West has placed Oriental Christians in a difficult position and it's not that I approve of what has been going on in the region. However these monkey don't need a premise to chimpout, over some crappy film that none of them have even seen and those mindless goons are a mere Islamist tool. However if Islamist monkeys elect to burn the entire Middle East into the ground. Then it's not our problem and the west isn't under any obligation to come to terms with that crowd.

[Vahram]

Re: Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

Retro we are saying similar things but working the problem from two different angles. I know they don’t need an excuse to chimpout ( love this term ) but the West is simply not an innocent bystander. For years they have used the very same forces to further a short sighted agenda. So long as they are smashing things we like it has all been fine. Now the monkey is out of the cage, an enraged monkey is out of the cage. Did we have to beat this animal and provoke this? Mind you if they had a plan to deal with it I would say ok there is some sound reasoning. But the West simply does not have any idea is the real problem at this point.

With all this said, the West has done nothing but antagonize every other player on the world stage. When this spirals out of control all the other major players are going to sit there and watch! This is the price of playing with the monkey and antagonizing everyone else. All the West had to do was peg the dollar to oil and just sit back, no one would ever be able to challenge a working systems like this. Yet they felt like stirring the pot with the Je w ring leaders happy with the result. Now there is geopolitical instability, the dollar is on it’s last legs. Even with all this the West still insists on stirring the pot, calling this a spring! When is the last time in the last 600 years that the Muslims seen or know of progress for them to know of a spring now? I guess old habits are hard to break, the West with impunity played long and hard still no slow down. The Muslim world, well we see the monkey on the street now don’t we, the same monkey we Armenians know all too well.

I am still lost and don’t understand what we really gained in the long run from all this? On the currency front the dollar is falling against the Dram and there is unabated printing going on. If it is falling against the Dram do you thing the Armenians are the only ones that know the dollar is on it’s last legs?

[Haykakan]

Re: Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

The usual racist bs shows up here all the time. You really think Arabs couldn't have governed themselves (via democracy, dictatorshipt, monarchy..) any better then the west-imposed rulers whose interests were always against the countries they governed? And yes Kadafi was a better ruler for his people then the west ever will be-he provided interest free loans for his people and founded a structure to help Africa solve its own problems by africans helping africans. China is the smartest player on the scene and it will not fall prey to special interest groups like the USA has. USA is done as a country unless it can take power back from the coorporate elites that govern it and that is highly unlikely to happen. The occupy movement is the closest thing we have seen to a true resistance by the people of USA and it will have to get much bigger to have any good effect. The special interest politics in the west will not change on its own-whatever change needs to be done will have to be done outside the present political system. Democracy itself is no cureall solution to everything and may not be the ideal form of government in many cases. Regardless of the form a government takes it is the motives of those doing the governing that will decide how good or bad that government will be for the country. Being an Arab or muslim doesnt mean your dumb and you cant govern you own people well. I do not want bad things to happen to the USA nor to anyone else but there will be many bad things happening unless real change occures, the problem is not many other people in USA see the situation for what it is.

[Vahram]

Re: Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

Haykakan, I agree with you 100% well said. Bottom line things are not going to change on thier own. The Dollar is the nail in the coffin that will put a stop to this. However if the West waits till that happenes it will just be more termail till that day and then some. It is high time the West started to think a little past next Tuesday.

[retro]

Re: Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

Vahram

You needn't worry yourself. I know that the West isn't a "innocent bystander". However neither are the Islamists.

The elections are in November and the Obama administration look very weak. I'd say that something funny is going on there. As that movie was definitely some sort of kooky false flag and I dare say that it's selling quite well. lol

The USD will remain the world reserve currency. At least until there is a viable alternative and their is really no escape from the current crisis. Inflation is a problem in Europe now and our rates are far to low. However everything is relative including the decline and naturally in a economic crisis hits the working and middle classes, hardest.