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    U.S. puts jets in Jordan, fuels Russian fear of Syria no-fly zone

    The United States said on Saturday it would keep F-16 fighters and Patriot missiles in Jordan at Amman's request, and Russia bristled at the possibility they could be used to enforce a no-fly zone inside Syria.

    Washington, which has long called for President Bashar al-Assad to step down, pledged military support to Syrian rebels this week, citing what it said was the Syrian military's use of chemical weapons - an allegation Damascus has denied.

    Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel has approved a Jordanian request for American F-16s and Patriot missiles to remain in the Western-backed kingdom after a joint military exercise there next week, a Pentagon spokesman said.

    Western diplomats said on Friday Washington was considering a limited no-fly zone over parts of Syria, but the White House noted later that it would be far harder and costlier to set one up there than it was in Libya, saying the United States had no national interest in pursuing that option.

    Russia, an ally of Damascus and fierce opponent of outside military intervention in Syria, said any attempt to impose a no-fly zone using F-16s and Patriots from Jordan would be illegal.

    "You don't have to be a great expert to understand that this will violate international law," Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said.

    The idea of a no-fly zone was endorsed by Egypt, the biggest Arab nation. President Mohamed Mursi, an Islamist more distant from Washington than his deposed military predecessor, made a keynote speech in Cairo throwing Egypt's substantial weight more firmly than before against President Bashar al-Assad.

    Despite their differences, the United States and Russia announced in May they would try to convene peace talks involving the Syrian government and its opponents, but have set no date.

    U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said chemical attacks by Syrian forces and Hezbollah's involvement on Assad's side showed a lack of commitment to negotiations and threatened to "put a political settlement out of reach".

    Kerry had not previously expressed such pessimism about prospects for the conference, which has run into many obstacles.

    These include disarray in the Syrian opposition and military gains by the Syrian army and its Lebanese Hezbollah allies against rebels who have few ways to counter Assad's air power.

    The involvement of Hezbollah fighters on the side of Assad, a fellow ally of the main Shi'ite power Iran, has galvanized Arab governments, including Egypt, behind the rebels, who mostly follow the Sunni version of Islam that dominates the Arab world.

    That has hardened sectarian confrontation across the region, which some Arabs hope might be softened by the election of the moderate Hassan Rohani as Iran's president - though few believe he can truly influence Tehran's supreme leader.

    Mursi, addressing thousands of cheering supporters at a stadium gathering organized by Egyptian Sunni clerics, demanded Hezbollah pull out of Syria and, after his Muslim Brotherhood joined calls for jihad against Assad and his Shi'ite allies, the president said Cairo had now cut diplomatic ties with Damascus.

    Egypt's powerful, U.S.-backed army seems unlikely to involve itself in Syria, but religious passions are running high and more Egyptian volunteers could travel to join the rebels.

    AIR STRIKES

    The pro-opposition Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said Syrian jets and artillery had again attacked Jobar, a battered district where rebels operate on the edge of central Damascus.

    It said heavy artillery was also shelling opposition fighters in the provinces of Homs, Aleppo and Deir al-Zor.

    Western powers have been reluctant in the past to arm Syrian insurgents, let alone give them sophisticated anti-aircraft missiles that might fall into the hands of Sunni Islamist insurgents in rebel ranks who have pledged loyalty to al Qaeda.

    Free Syrian Army (FSA) commander Salim Idriss told Reuters late on Friday that rebels urgently needed anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles, as well as a protective no-fly zone.

    "But our friends in the United States haven't told us yet that they are going to support us with weapons and ammunition," he said after meeting U.S. and European officials in Turkey.

    A source in the Middle East familiar with U.S. dealings with the rebels has said planned arms supplies would include automatic weapons, light mortars and rocket-propelled grenades.

    The United Nations says at least 93,000 people, including civilians and combatants, have died in the Syrian civil war, with the monthly death toll averaging 5,000 in the past year.

    Abu Nidal, from the Islamist Ahrar al-Sham rebel group, said U.S. help was welcome, but questioned how effective it would be.

    "I doubt the influx of weapons will significantly tip the balance into our favor," he said via Skype. "They might help push back regime offensives of the last few days."

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    • Re: Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

      Originally posted by Mher View Post
      imperialist pieces of s***
      its okay, let america keep digging its own grave
      arm mujahedin in Syria, so they can send weapons to Afghanistan, so they can kill more Americans
      all while America goes bankrupt
      Loud on a forum nobody cares about - quiet as a mouse elsewhere, I bet. This is for all of you, not specifically you Mher. You sit on your lazy arses as the genocide of Syria's Armenian community approaches. It has always amused me that the "military balance between Armenia and Azerbaijan" thread is the most popular one here. Fetishising over weapons that none of you will ever use, in a thread about strategy when you have none.
      Plenipotentiary meow!

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        Blanket statements like that are never accurate kittycat.
        Hayastan or Bust.

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        • Re: Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

          Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
          Blanket statements like that are never accurate kittycat.
          In what way is it inaccurate to say that there has been TOTAL silence from Armenians WORLDWIDE about what has been happening to Syria? And in what way is it inaccurate to say that there has been TOTAL silence from Armenians about what will happen to Syrian Armenians if the Islamists that Obama and co support come to power? Being neutral and passive is hardly credible behaviour if the end result of it is your genocide.
          Last edited by bell-the-cat; 06-18-2013, 01:45 AM.
          Plenipotentiary meow!

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          • Re: Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

            I have not been silent and neither have some others but generally yeh you are right the Armenian community has not been as vocal as it should be. I thought the Armenians in Syria should have taken up arms and fought along side the government troops but then again i am not the one living there. The Armenian communities in the USA are pretty pathetic-their main objective seems to be to make money off of events various organizations host. There is a lack of concern for anyone outside "their circle".

            Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
            In what way is it inaccurate to say that there has been TOTAL silence from Armenians WORLDWIDE about what has been happening to Syria? And in what way is it inaccurate to say that there has been TOTAL silence from Armenians about what will happen to Syrian Armenians if the Islamists that Obama and co support come to power? Being neutral and passive is hardly credible behaviour if the end result of it is your genocide.
            Hayastan or Bust.

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              ARMY INFLICTS HEAVY LOSSES UPON TERRORISTS, CONTROLS GAS WELLS IN HOMS COUNTRYSIDE


              Jun 17, 2013

              Provinces, (SANA)- A unit of the armed forces confronted armed
              terrorist groups' attack on Jouret al-Shayyah neighborhood in Homs,
              killing and injuring a number of terrorists, according to a military
              source.

              The source told SANA that another unit of the armed forces clashed
              with armed terrorist groups which tried to infiltrate across tunnels
              from al-Wa'ar neighborhood towards al-Ghota groves to Homs city,
              killing a number of their members.

              Meanwhile, units of the armed forces targeted terrorists' gatherings
              in Kisin in al-Hola countryside and the neighborhoods of al-Kaldiyeh
              and al-Karabis, inflicting heavy losses upon terrorists.

              In Palmyra countryside, units of the armed forces continued pursuing
              the armed terrorist groups in Tal Abu Trad and the houses surrounding
              Syriatel.

              The army controlled a number of gas wells, killing a number of
              terrorists, injuring others and destroying their weapons.

              Army clashes with terrorists in Damascus Countryside

              A unit of the armed forces clashed and pursued an armed terrorist
              group south of al-Sayyeda Zeinab towards al-Bahdaliyeh in Damascus
              Countryside.

              An official source told SANA that the clash resulted in the killing
              and injuring of a number of terrorists, and that the army continued
              pursuing the terrorists who fled towards al-Bahdaliyeh area.

              In the town of Halboun in al-Tal area, Army units eliminated a
              number of terrorists including a Saudi called Abdullah al-Mhaus and
              Ali Snobar who was the leader of a terrorist group calling itself
              "Khaled bin al-Walid battalion."

              In the farms surrounding al-Ahmadiye in the eastern Ghouta area, Army
              units eliminated Malek Jerudiye who was the leader of a terrorist group
              and destroyed weapons and munitions including a 23mm anti-aircraft gun.

              In Babila, the Army destroyed a terrorist hideout along with the
              weapons and munitions in it and eliminated terrorists including
              Mohammad Younes.

              An Army unit clashed with terrorists near al-Othman Mosque in
              Erbin, leaving all the terrorists dead or injured, while another
              unit eliminated another leader of a terrorist group, Omar Fakherji,
              near al-Mustafa Mosque in Jobar.

              In Harasta, a sniper nicknamed Abu Saeed who had been hiding in
              the farms west of the highway and targeting passing and cars was
              eliminated, in addition to destroying a mortar cannon and a gathering
              of terrorists, one of whom was Abdelghani al-Lala.

              Army units eliminate Jabhat al-Nusra in Aleppo province

              Army units eliminated a number of terrorists and destroyed their
              weapons which included a mortar launcher north of Aleppo Central
              Prison, the village of Mennegh, and on the Aleppo-Idleb road.

              An Army unit eliminated terrorists who were barricaded inside al-Saad
              pharmaceutical factory on al-Mansoura, in addition to destroying two
              mortar launchers in al-Layramoun area which terrorists had been using
              to shell al-Ashrafiya and al-Siryan areas.

              The Armed Forces repelled a terrorist group which attempted to enter
              al-Layramoun area from Bani Zeid area, eliminating most of its members
              including Mohammad Mustafa Haj Mustafa, Mahmoud Taher Mardelli,
              and Ahmad Fayyad al-Nasser.

              An Army unit destroyed terrorist hideouts on the Kafrnaha road in Khan
              al-Asal area and large numbers of heavy machineguns, while another
              unit clashed with terrorists in the village of Bianon and eliminated
              most of the terrorists including a Saudi called Akel Abdullah Akel.

              Yet another Army unit destroyed a mortar launcher, heavy machineguns
              and a terrorist gathering in the area between al-Midan and Bustan
              al-Basha.

              Terrorists who were committing robberies near Baidin and al-Sakhour
              roundabouts were eliminated, along with terrorists who were holed
              up in a building in al-Jazmati roundabout and their weapons, which
              included a 23mm anti-aircraft gun and 9 machineguns, were destroyed.

              Army dismantles Israeli-made mines in Daraa

              In Daraa, a military source said that a unit of the armed forces
              confronted an armed terrorist group's attack against one of the
              military checkpoints near Jilin roundabout in Daraa, inflicting heavy
              losses upon terrorists.

              In a statement to SANA, the source added that a number of heavy
              machineguns were destroyed and most of the terrorist group's members
              were killed and injured, among them terrorist Sabah Jalileh, the
              leader of an armed terrorist group called 'Jabhat al-Golan battalion'.

              The source said that a number of mines, some Israeli-made, and
              explosive devices, each weighs 30kg planted by terrorists in the
              area surrounding Jilin roundabout to be detonated by remote, were
              also dismantled.

              Terrorist attack on military checkpoint in Hasaka repelled

              An Army unit repelled terrorists who attempted to attack a military
              checkpoint at al-Nashwa al-Gharbiya roundabout in Hasaka city.

              The clash left most of the terrorists dead or injured, and their
              equipment and weapons were destroyed, including heavy machineguns
              and assault rifles.

              Army unit destroys terrorists' weapons cache in Lattakia countryside

              An Army unit carried out a special operation in the village of al-Hayat
              in Lattakia countryside, destroying a weapons and munitions cache
              belonging to terrorists.

              A number of terrorists were killed in the operation, some of them
              foreigners.

              English Bulletin
              Hayastan or Bust.

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                PUTIN: RUSSIA ARMING LEGITIMATE GOV'T IN SYRIA, WEST ARMING ORGAN-EATERS

                Russian President Vladimir Putin slammed the Western countries
                for arming foreign-backed militants fighting the Syrian government,
                warning that such move contradicts basic human values since the armed
                groups are committing war crimes and crimes against humanity.

                During a joint press conference with British Prime Minister David
                Cameron on Sunday, Putin said: "You will not deny that one does not
                really need to support the people who not only kill their enemies,
                but open up their bodies, eat their intestines in front of the public
                and cameras. Are these the people you want to support? Is it them
                who you want to supply with weapons? Then this probably has little
                relation to humanitarian values that have been preached in Europe
                for hundreds of years."

                Putin was referring to video footage surfaced on the Internet last
                month of a militant eating what appeared to be the heart of a dead
                Syrian soldier.

                In an interview with Time magazine on May 14, the cannibal militant,
                known by his nom de guerre Abu Sakkar, confirmed that the video is
                real and that he did indeed take a bite of the soldier's lung. Human
                Rights Watch said it was a war crime.

                Putin said that Russia by contrast was arming the legitimate government
                of Syria "We are not breaching any rules and norms and we call on
                all our partners to act in the same fashion," he said.

                Speaking after a difficult meeting with Putin in Northern Ireland,
                Cameron claimed both men were in agreement on the need to end the
                human catastrophe of the Syrian crisis. But there was little to
                suggest the two men made progress on how to convene a fresh Syrian
                peace conference in Geneva, let alone who should attend, or its agenda.

                "There are very big differences between the analysis we have of what
                happened in Syria and who is to blame but where there is common ground
                is that we both see a humanitarian catastrophe," Cameron said.

                "What I take from our conversation today is that we can overcome
                these differences if we recognize that we share some fundamental aims:
                to end the conflict, to stop Syria breaking apart, to let the Syrian
                people decide who governs them and to take the fight to the extremists
                and defeat them," he said.

                Source: Agencies

                17-06-2013 - 14:10 Last updated 17-06-2013 - 14:10 | 747 View
                Hayastan or Bust.

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                  AL-NUSRA FRONT SLAUGHTERS CHRISTIAN PRIEST IN HOMS

                  Al-Nusra front had slaughtered a Christian priest and another two
                  people in Homs.Priest before being killed

                  News websites and social media had circulated a videotape showing
                  3 handcuffed people who were believed that Father Francois Murad to
                  be among them. A number of masked gunmen and other people gathered
                  around them before they slaughtered and beheaded them.

                  Internet websites said that the face of one of the victims apply to
                  that of the Father Murad Franciscan whom Vatican media sources revealed
                  his death. The Father is from Ghassaniya monastery region near Homs,
                  which had been fully vandalized and looted by a group of terrorists.

                  Among the websites that circulated the tape was the Syrian Center
                  for Documentation. (This video contains scenes that some viewers may
                  find disturbing).

                  Source: Websites
                  Hayastan or Bust.

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                    RUSSIAN POLITICAL EXPERT: VLADIMIR PUTIN PREVENTED DAMASCUS'S SEIZURE PLANNED FOR DEC 2012

                    ARMINFO
                    Friday, June 28, 15:19

                    President of Russia Vladimir Putin held Turkish Prime Minister Recep
                    Erdogan from a military operation against Syria, Russian political
                    expert, Professor Igor Panarin told ArmInfo.

                    He said that the latest anti-governmental manifestations in Istanbul
                    and other big Turkish cities were organized by external forces that
                    were displeased with Erdogan's refusal to war against Bashar Assad.

                    "Actually, Damacus's seizure was planned for December 2012 with
                    Erdogan to have had the key role in it. However, negotiations were
                    held between Putin and Erdogan at the given period of time and I think
                    Turkey certainly changed its stance after those negotiations. I'd like
                    to see the reasonability reigning in the Turkish elite in order the
                    latter refrains from participating in the anti-Syrian plots," the
                    politician said.

                    Panarin shares the view that one of the targets for the Turkish
                    mercenaries warring on the side of the Syrian terrorists, the
                    so-called armed opposition, is the Armenian community, the successors
                    of the Armenians that survived the Armenian Genocide in Ottoman Turkey
                    in early 20th century.

                    "I think it is a delicate global game. The Islamic extremists are
                    killing first of all the Christian population, both the Catholics, who
                    number nearly 2 million people in Syria, and Armenians," he said.
                    Hayastan or Bust.

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                    • Re: Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

                      Some very interesting, and unbiased, posts by Federate and Haykakan on this important topic. Geo-strategically, Syria is important for Armenia as the hopeful graveyard of western-zionist-turkish backed terrorism, as well as the direct safety of tens of thousands of Diasporan civilians those terrorists are willing to once again sacrifice (1915 all over again, same victims, same perpetrators). Below are two links of interest, full of very relevant analysis by the blogger, dozens of relevant and hard to find articles, and a very active somments section with users posting daily news and analysis.

                      Syrian Conflict: A Brief Military Analysis:
                      http://theriseofrussia.blogspot.com/...-analysis.html

                      Middle Eastern geopolitics and the proxy war in Syria:
                      http://theriseofrussia.blogspot.com/...syria-may.html

                      Haykakan, consider copying many of your more insightful comments from here and pasting them to the comments of the Syrian Conflict: A Brief Military Analysis: entry as well, I think they'd be a very useful contribution.

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