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  • Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

    INDEX: AFTER READING THIS, JUMP TO POSTS #15 through #18 TO SEE MY RESPONSES TO THE IN-BETWEEN COMMENTS BELOW - I QUOTED THE OTHER USERS; AND RESPONDED TO ON-TOPIC COMMENTS.
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    Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
    Iranian Armenians only mixed with other Armenians (past, present, future).
    I'll title this response "Then & Now." The middle quote is by an Armenian anthropologist in Persian - I know what it says.



    Originally posted by ArmSurvival View Post
    I think in your effort to show a deep historic connection between Armenians and Iranians you made the mistake of overstepping and claiming Armenians are an Iranic people.
    What happens when you mix lemon juice with lemon juice for centuries? You get more lemon juice.
    What happens when you mix lemon juice with vodka? You get drunk and forget history.


    I'll make sure you understand my position in a very detailed blog on the subject that will address family trees on both sides of the iron curtain; I won't fully attempt it on this thread, as several individuals don't like to use the quote button and run interference. I'll make sure to leave a link when I am done.

    Perhaps the oldest picture of Perso-Armenians. http://www.flickr.com/photos/fergalflannery/1733509090/

    Originally posted by Mos View Post
    A few random Armenians mixing with Persians doesn't mean anything, and as I've said Armenians tend to be very insular.
    By your own admission you've never been to Iran: How would you know what was "random" in Iran or not; what % of the population in your mind has to intermarry before it's no longer random; and what studies are you relying on?

    More important, while I respect Eddo, the truth matters.
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    Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
    Iranian Armenians only mixed with other Armenians (past, present, future).

    Originally posted by Mos View Post
    Armenians tend to be very insular.
    Yes, Iranian-Armenians (the ones that existed for centuries) tended to intermarry with other Iranians (including from a time predating Christianity and Islam and up to the present date); they were "insular" in the sense that they did not intermarry with Russians or other people from the Soviet Republics. In that sense Iranian-Armenians were "insular" and un-Russified for centuries.

    Iranian-Armenian Women:


    On the other hand, at the start of the 19th Century, Armenia/SSR started becoming a mixed both genetically and culturally (assimilated) - which moved the tiny population in Yerevan further and further away the original Armenian culture and gene pool.

    Quotes like yours below are contrary to what people have seen with the own eyes as women are trafficked into parts of Russia and Dubai from Yerevan.

    Originally posted by Mos View Post
    Armenia is the place where this danger [assimilation] doesn't exist [!] and where Armenian society can exist unrestricted.
    G-Rated Photo of some of the "Insular" propensities Armenians Fostered in Yerevan and Armenia-SSR:



    This above-type of assimilation and behavior is encouraged in Yerevan as thousands of Armenian women are trafficked to other countries to this day - some of which is encouraged by corrupt police officers with ties to the Russian mob. I promise you that Iran discourages Iranian-Armenian from assimilating in this manner; while prostitution is a problem everywhere, Iran hangs people that traffick in women and girls, and particularly shields Iranian-Armenian women from it in ways that Yerevan doesn't.

    When my blog is posted, I will also take you through the number of pogroms and rapes against the tiny Armenian population in Armenia-SSR and the effects, both genetically and culturally, and give Armenians a factually accurate portrayal of assimilation in Armenia-SSR. Iranian-Armenian women are discouraged from activities prevalent in Yerevan.

    WARNING NOT FOR THE WEAK-HEARTED - (Sex Trafficking of Armenian Women and Girls from Yerevan) :

    http://www.xvideos.com/video614352/a...th_russian_guy

    "There have been women from Armenia in the United Arab Emirates ever since the early 1990's, when flights started between Yerevan and Dubai. ... "For the past two years, dealers in the sex trade have been transporting women under 31 to Dubai through Russia , mainly through Moscow and Krasnodar . There, they are given false passports, which state their age as over 31." (See U.N. Sub-Com. Report on Children’s Trafficking in Armenia.)

    The "Insular" Qualities of Those Who Are "Against" Assimilation.

    Mos, you show 2 faces: perhaps you forgot the emails you sent to me asking for assistance in finding a Persian girl you can marry?

    Originally posted by Mos
    Parskahye girl? You should give me advice for meeting a Persian girl As a Armenian, I should have no problem meeting Parskahye's.
    But in public you write:

    Originally posted by Mos View Post
    Armenians tend to be very insular.
    Do you remember the qualities you were looking for in a Persian bride Moses? Let me refresh your memory.


    And I agree with you that you are "not very religious" though you pretend to be in your public posts to try to distract people from the issues.

    Originally posted by Mos
    ...being family oriented, having steady job, and being honest is all very important. I am not very religious,... for wife I would chose Iranian ....
    Originally posted by Mos View Post
    The Armenian Church is the most important part of the Armenian identity.
    So, if "the Armenian Church is the most important part of Armenian identity," according to you, and if you are "not very religious," according to you, you're not very Armenian according to your own standards. And how "Armenian" are the rest of the people in Armenia according to Mos's standards?

    Originally posted by Mos View Post
    Not many people in Armenia are that religious, due to Soviet Union....
    Buyer Beware:

    Moses, while trafficking women and girls for porn and prostitution is a problem in every country, let me remind you how a Persian will deal with anyone that does that to OUR Persian-Armenian women.

    * "Iranian web developer faces death over porn site charges." http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking...ry_611188.html

    * "On Monday, March 13th, the Iranian regime executed Ms. Adiva Mirza-Soleiman was of the xxxish faith who along with her Armenian husband, Varouzhan Petrossian" http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking...ry_611188.html

    I would also ask Armenians to pay particular attention to people like Mos that attempt to pretend to be against assimilation while privately pushing the opposite agenda; and to beware of those who publicly pretend to be religious while pushing another agenda; and who spend their time online attempting to discredit the shared family-ties of people.
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    Last edited by Persopolis; 04-15-2011, 11:13 AM.
    I <3 Armenians! They're the best!

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    Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

    Originally posted by Persopolis View Post
    This above-type of assimilation and behavior is encouraged in Yerevan as thousands of Armenian women
    oh no, a man and woman are fornicating. We must rise together to stop this degeneracy before it explodes all over Armenia.

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      Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

      Some Iranian-Armenians I have seen look more Iranian than Armenian

      It is clear there was some intermixing over the centuries

      Armenians were living in Iran before the forced exile from the Nakhichevan area to
      Nor Jugha (Isfahan) 400 years ago

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        Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

        No, Armenians living in Iran are not ethnic Persian or any other Iranic group. I am speaking of the majority here, not the few exceptions that have come about via mixed marriages.
        For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
        to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



        http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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          Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

          Originally posted by Persopolis View Post
          I'll title this response "Then & Now." The middle quote is by an Armenian anthropologist in Persian - I know what it says.


          .
          Naghayr....kossoshare nagoo. (stop the bullsh1t). I am from Tehran (born and raised), my father from Esfehan, my mother from Abadan and trust me when I say the intermixing between us is very little. Both of our people don't take that route, again not that there is something wrong with that, but we just simply don't.

          Man I cannot figure you out. I asked you what is your real objective here in PM and didn't get an answer. I ask you again....what is your objective here as a Persian.
          B0zkurt Hunter

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            Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

            Originally posted by Persopolis View Post
            I'll title this response "Then & Now." The middle quote is by an Armenian anthropologist in Persian - I know what it says.




            What happens when you mix lemon juice with lemon juice for centuries? You get more lemon juice.
            What happens when you mix lemon juice with vodka? You get drunk and forget history.


            I'll make sure you understand my position in a very detailed blog on the subject that will address family trees on both sides of the iron curtain; I won't fully attempt it on this thread, as several individuals don't like to use the quote button and run interference. I'll make sure to leave a link when I am done.

            Perhaps the oldest picture of Perso-Armenians. http://www.flickr.com/photos/fergalflannery/1733509090/
            Stopping posting in Persian or any other language then English or Armenian. You got no real proof of intermixing of the two people especially after the religion of both nations changed. Armenia left Persian influence for the first time when Alexander destroyed the Persian empire and from then till conquest by the Turks they have been going the same way as the Romans, after the Turkish conquest Cilicia became an Armenian kingdom with many European influences added to it. From the 19th century Persian influence has shrunk almost to zero thanks to Russian conquest of the region, you can see that in the fact that more Armenians live in Russia, visit Russia and speak Russian then live in Iran, visit Iran or speak Persian.




            By your own admission you've never been to Iran: How would you know what was "random" in Iran or not; what % of the population in your mind has to intermarry before it's no longer random; and what studies are you relying on?
            I hope you can provide some sources, and I mean real ones not pictures like you always do. By real sources, I mean sources that can be used for a scientific paper.







            Yes, Iranian-Armenians (the ones that existed for centuries) tended to intermarry with other Iranians (including from a time predating Christianity and Islam and up to the present date); they were "insular" in the sense that they did not intermarry with Russians or other people from the Soviet Republics. In that sense Iranian-Armenians were "insular" and un-Russified for centuries.
            No they didn't, how many marriages can there be between muslims and non-muslims? And if you look at times before Islam then it doesn't have any point in this discussion because the population in Iran today is the result of intermixing of many different races like Greeks, Turks, Mongols, Arabs, etc. because they all controlled the lands that are Iran today for centuries. In the Su republics intermixing of Armenians was really low because Armenians most of the time married inside their communities and Armenian stayed homogeneous during the soviet times for most part, the biggest minority were the Azeris.

            Iranian-Armenian Women:

            On the other hand, at the start of the 19th Century, Armenia-SSR started becoming a mixed both genetically and culturally (assimilated) - which moved the tiny population in Yerevan further and further away the original Armenian culture and gene pool.
            The Soviet union was created in the 20th century if you can not get this simple fact right how can you expect any one here too take you serious? Show me some proof of assimilation of the Armenian population during the SU times. Do you even know what assimilation means? What is the original Armenian culture? I can tell you it's not an Iranic culture, because culture is something that changes it isn't something static.

            Quotes like yours below are contrary to what people have seen with the own eyes as women are trafficked into parts of Russia and Dubai from Yerevan.
            Trafficking happens from every country, even through Iran and seeing how Iran is closer to Dubai you can expect to find more Iranian prostitutes there.

            G-Rated Photo of some of the "Insular" propensities Armenians Fostered in Yerevan and Armenia-SSR:

            I know these kind of things are a crime in Iran
            This above-type of assimilation and behavior is encouraged in Yerevan as thousands of Armenian women are trafficked to other countries to this day - some of which is encouraged by corrupt police officers with ties to the Russian mob. I promise you that Iran discourages Iranian-Armenian from assimilating in this manner; while prostitution is a problem everywhere, Iran hangs people that traffick in women and girls, and particularly shields Iranian-Armenian women from it in ways that Yerevan doesn't.
            Now is the Anti-Armenian BS coming out mixed with some nice anti-Russian BS to give this BS some extra flavor
            When my blog is posted, I will also take you through the number of pogroms and rapes against the tiny Armenian population in Armenia-SSR and the effects, both genetically and culturally, and give Armenians a factually accurate portrayal of assimilation in Armenia-SSR. Iranian-Armenian women are discouraged from activities prevalent in Yerevan.
            As some one from the Soviet Union, what pogroms are you talking about? What kind of retarded BS is this?
            No one gives a xxxx about your blog
            WARNING NOT FOR THE WEAK-HEARTED - (Sex Trafficking of Armenian Women and Girls from Yerevan) :

            http://www.xvideos.com/video614352/a...th_russian_guy
            So should i now start posting Iranian porn or what? You think the existence of one porn video is proof of something?

            "There have been women from Armenia in the United Arab Emirates ever since the early 1990's, when flights started between Yerevan and Dubai. ... "For the past two years, dealers in the sex trade have been transporting women under 31 to Dubai through Russia , mainly through Moscow and Krasnodar . There, they are given false passports, which state their age as over 31." (See U.N. Sub-Com. Report on Children’s Trafficking in Armenia.)


            Buyer Beware:

            Moses, while trafficking women and girls for porn and prostitution is a problem in every country, let me remind you how a Persian will deal with anyone that does that to OUR Persian-Armenian women.
            yes insulting an other member showing how mature you are and what kind of a person you really are.

            * "Iranian web developer faces death over porn site charges." http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking...ry_611188.html

            * "On Monday, March 13th, the Iranian regime executed Ms. Adiva Mirza-Soleiman was of the xxxish faith who along with her Armenian husband, Varouzhan Petrossian" http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking...ry_611188.html
            Do you think it is normal that a person gets executed for owning a porn website? What right does your government have to decide these kind of things, if a man can own a porn site or not and execute a person for it.

            I would also ask Armenians to pay particular attention to people like Mos that attempt to pretend to be against assimilation while privately pushing the opposite agenda; and to beware of those who publicly pretend to be religious while pushing another agenda; and who spend their time online attempting to discredit the shared family-ties of people.
            I would advise Armenians to be on the look out for our real enemies most of the time they are hiding their true identity acting a friend but in reality are our real enemies.
            You should never argue with idiots because they will just drag you down to their level....then beat you with experience!!!!!!!

            "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" Voltaire

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              Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

              Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
              Do you think it is normal that a person gets executed for owning a porn website? What right does your government have to decide these kind of things, if a man can own a porn site or not and execute a person for it.
              If enough governments did it, I suppose it would be normal.




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                Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

                Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                If enough governments did it, I suppose it would be normal.

                I think it's so funny that people think porn and prostitution is something wrong but don't realize those two things have been constant during human history and always will exist.
                You should never argue with idiots because they will just drag you down to their level....then beat you with experience!!!!!!!

                "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" Voltaire

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                  Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

                  Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
                  I think it's so funny that people think porn and prostitution is something wrong but don't realize those two things have been constant during human history and always will exist.
                  They haven't been constant, there was periods of excess, periods of recess and periods of prohibition . Empires rise and fall.
                  "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                    Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

                    Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                    They haven't been constant, there was periods of excess, periods of recess and periods of prohibition . Empires rise and fall.
                    By constant I meant that they always existed and always will, like now in most countries prostitution is illegal but you know for sure in every country you'll find some.
                    You should never argue with idiots because they will just drag you down to their level....then beat you with experience!!!!!!!

                    "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" Voltaire

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