Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

[haysip]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

The answer as to why is noted in the quote of another member of this thread (below). My responses to any comments worth responding to will be at POSTS #1; and #15 through #18 and individuals that write off-point comments or repeat themselves generally will not get a response. (And if you have written a lot without reading the sources - or simply have repeated yourself; you won't get a response.) Wait about 20 minutes after the post to see the full version - thanks.

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is there anything else you would like us to do or is that it???

[lampron]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

* “[M]y parents would always tell me that we were Armenians—that we were nothing like Iranians. And then when we got back to our homeland, we were suddenly called Iranian. It was a big blow," she says.”

* "I had a customer with whom I worked for two years who said I spoke good Armenian for an Iranian. I said my name is Sevak, like Paruir Sevak's name, and asked how he could think I was an Iranian. Once, during the Nowruz period, someone came and congratulated me on the occasion. It was embarrassing for me, because it is very insulting for us," says Hovhannisian.

* ‘Having lived under a totally different system, we found ourselves in another reality, an alien and often unacceptable one," recalls Eduard Hakhverdian, now 58, [an Iranian-Armenian who moved to Armenia].”

* “ Armine Darsbidian, remembers that she had her first bitter experience in Armenia while attending a parents' meeting at school during which one of the parents said: ‘Take money from the Persian. She has come from the country of the Shah; she's rich.’ ”

* “The proud [Iranian-Armenian] repatriates were looked upon with suspicion by Soviet authorities and with a degree of contempt by the Armenians.”

* "Everything was strange for me. The language seemed to be the same, but was odd because so many Russian words were mixed in….”

http://www.agbu.org/publications/article.asp?A_ID=656

* “Iranian-Armenians – say they are encountering difficulty in gaining acceptance in Yerevan.”

* “[T]he old ‘inferiority complex’ among locals that diaspora Armenians are “better educated and wealthier” still lingers.”

* “A professor once pointed her out to classmates as a representative of Muslim countries such as Iran, she said. ‘I was so hurt that I took out my cross and showed it to him.’ ”

* “Many Iranian Armenians say that, with time, they have learned to take their image as “foreigners” [in Armenia] in stride, but caution that much work remains to be done to encourage acceptance of diaspora Armenians resident in Armenia.”

http://www.eurasianet.org/node/62178

problems that Armenians should face in order to improve Armenian society and mentality

as to the topic under discussion - many Iranian Armenians do look like Iranians.

Is that because of some mixing down the centuries? perhaps.

or maybe also because when a people live in a different environment (climate etc) for a long
time their features may slowly begin change

I can assure you that there are records of Iranians establishing rules of morality long before "shah habas" [sic] moved Armenians out of the way of the Ottoman army - you may have heard of the Cyrus Cylinder (6th century BC) or the Avesta - it's universally accepted that Iran was one of the most literate societies

we have to recognize that Persians had an advanced civilization 3,000 years ago

Armenian-Persian political relations have at times been very close but at other times less
friendly over the last 3000 years

The important thing is that the Armenian community in Iran has been well treated

[Persopolis]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

...The important thing is that the Armenian community in Iran has been well treated

Peace and respect for your civilized comments. Good questions that you asked too.

Individuals like you will take Armenia to great places.

[Eddo211]

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The important thing is that the Armenian community in Iran has been well treated

I hope you are not comparing Iran to Turkey.

Armenians in Iran have not only earned their rights but have been instrumental in maintaining the sovereignty of Persia at critical times in history.

[Eddo211]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

lampron, here is a small example.

Yeprem Khan Davidian......he was an ARF member. Without him and his Armenian/Georgian missionaries there might not have been a Tehran today.

[Azar]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

This is probably one of the saddest threads I've see on HYECLUB yet.

Nothing is more sad than when a 2500 year old brotherhood is broken in the name of Zionist propaganda, but the reality is that most Armenians love Iran, whether you like it or not, there will always be an Iranian-Armenian brotherhood. No amount of your expat ferver will ever change the fact that you Armenians have Iranian blood in you. There is something in the soul of an Iranian that tells me he's Iranian, and with Armenians, it's the same way. Our culture, our attitude, our norms, even the way we talk and move, we're similar, we're brothers.

Does this anger you? Good.
Unlike you, I could care less, I'm a man of honor and nobility, I will always love and protect my Armenian brothers, I view them no differently than I do my Persian brothers. We are one, and no amount of Zionist and AmeriKKKan propaganda will change that. I would rather die than denounce my friendship and brotherhood with the Azari, Persian, and Armenian people, we will always be one and I will always offer my home and my services to any Armenian in need.

Unlike the xxxified, Zionist pigs on these boards, we're not interested in your sectarian bullxxxx. Long live Armenians, one of the greatest Iranian ethnic groups I know, GOD BLESS YOU ALL!

[Azar]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

Mos is a two-faced child by the way, he also sent me messages about getting a Persian wife.

People like him don't represent Aryan Armenian culture, he's the descendant of a sick, degenerate, Western, Zioculture.

I have nothing against Mos, I consider him my brother, and would gladly teach him how to get a Persian wife, as Armenians and Iranians are the same race.

[Mos]

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you're just an idiot for not being able to comprehend what I wrote to you. I was asking you about Persian attitudes towards non-Muslims marrying their women, nothing about my personal endeavours.

You have no right to even speak on this forum, it was you making anti-Armenian threads like "Armenia being okay with giving away Southern Armenia" or ridiculous ones like " Are you okay with Gay Armenian", you think we haven't forgot?

You and Persepolis should just take your BS "greater Iran" material somewhere else. We are not the same race, we are not part of Greater Iran, we are our own proud strong nation, culture, and people. We have good historical ties with Iran - but it doesn't go deeper than that, and stop fantasizing about it. Apparently you are the ones jealous of Armenians, and trying to be like us. Or have some disillusion self identity crisis.

God when will these 2 persians leave our forum, and leave it to peace.

[lampron]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

You and Persepolis should just take your BS "greater Iran" material somewhere else. We are not the same race, we are not part of Greater Iran, we are our own proud strong nation, culture, and people. We have good historical ties with Iran - but it doesn't go deeper than that.

It is well known among Armenians that ancient Armenian kings had Persian origins, so it does go deeper than you think

Armenia is a separate nation, absolutely, but as a small nation, its cultural identity has been influenced by neighbouring bigger powers such as the ottomans (probably the biggest influence), and before them, Persians and Byzantines, and over the last 200 years also by Russians. Iranians have continued to have an impact on Armenian mentality through the large Armenian community in Iran , and the fact that historic Armenian monasteries are located on Iranian territory

Important to remember - Iran had a very positive role in the five Armenian semi-independent Karabakh melikdoms in the 18th century

Since independence, Armenia has also come under US/western influence. Some positive, some negative

[haysip]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

This is probably one of the saddest threads I've see on HYECLUB yet.

Nothing is more sad than when a 2500 year old brotherhood is broken in the name of Zionist propaganda, but the reality is that most Armenians love Iran, whether you like it or not, there will always be an Iranian-Armenian brotherhood. No amount of your expat ferver will ever change the fact that you Armenians have Iranian blood in you. There is something in the soul of an Iranian that tells me he's Iranian, and with Armenians, it's the same way. Our culture, our attitude, our norms, even the way we talk and move, we're similar, we're brothers.

Does this anger you? Good.
Unlike you, I could care less, I'm a man of honor and nobility, I will always love and protect my Armenian brothers, I view them no differently than I do my Persian brothers. We are one, and no amount of Zionist and AmeriKKKan propaganda will change that. I would rather die than denounce my friendship and brotherhood with the Azari, Persian, and Armenian people, we will always be one and I will always offer my home and my services to any Armenian in need.

Unlike the xxxified, Zionist pigs on these boards, we're not interested in your sectarian bullxxxx. Long live Armenians, one of the greatest Iranian ethnic groups I know, GOD BLESS YOU ALL!

what brotherhood??? after Armenians, Greeks, Egyptians and Iranians came together and destroyed assyria every nation lived in peace except Iran. Ever since then you guys have been conquering neighboring countries and getting bigger and bigger. Armenians have been in war with iranians for more than 2500 years and now youre coming here and talking of a 2500 year old brotherhood???

tgheq, es parsikner@ stegh ankap chen ekel. sranq mi npatak unen...