Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

[lampron]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

Armenians have been in war with iranians for more than 2500 years and now youre coming here and talking of a 2500 year old brotherhood???

tgheq, es parsikner@ stegh ankap chen ekel. sranq mi npatak unen...

what 2500 year war are you talking about ?

yes there have been wars, in the 5th century and maybe also before that, but it is well
known that for many centuries Armenian nobility was close (racially) to persians, if I am not
mistaken some of them were actually persian

there is no doubt that Armenians and Iranians have genetic similarities

don't forget that early European travellers to Armenia and Persia thought the Armenian
language was a dialect of Persian. Linguistically there are many similarities

if an Iranian (or a Turk or Russian or georgian) says he wants to be brothers then Armenians
can only welcome him

[Persopolis]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

This is probably one of the saddest threads I've see on HYECLUB yet.

I agree with you, but don't worry about it - at least a handful of Armenians have noticed the mentality of some among them - hopefully Iranians will be more aware of these attitudes (including Iranian-Armenians who may be put in harms way by other Armenians by thinking that it will be a bed of roses to include themselves among individuals with attitudes like Mos's).

It's also peculiar that Mos doesn't want Iranians to participate on threads germane to Iranians - like the Iran & Armenia Relations thread. [Have a Look: http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread....ht=#post313016 ] Though Mos knows little about Iran apart from the standard Zionist propaganda he constantly spouts off about Iranians -- he wants to propagate that nonsense without the participation of Iranians while pushing a myth that we are going to jump through the computer screen and deprive Armenia of self-rule by creating a "Greater Iran." It's a phony scare tactic typical of the Zionist lobby.

V

You have no right to even speak on this forum .... God when will these 2 persians leave our forum, and leave it to peace.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

I agree with you, but don't worry about it - at least a handful of Armenians have noticed the mentality of some among them - hopefully Iranians will be more aware of these attitudes (including Iranian-Armenians who may be put in harms way by other Armenians by thinking that it will be a bed of roses to include themselves among individuals with attitudes like Mos's).

It's also peculiar that Mos doesn't want Iranians to participate on threads germane to Iranians - like the Iran & Armenia Relations thread. [Have a Look: http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread....ht=#post313016 ] Though Mos knows little about Iran apart from the standard Zionist propaganda he constantly spouts off about Iranians -- he wants to propagate that nonsense without the participation of Iranians while pushing a myth that we are going to jump through the computer screen and deprive Armenia of self-rule by creating a "Greater Iran." It's a phony scare tactic typical of the Zionist lobby.

V

Are you done with the character assassination, over and over again you have proven that you know nothing about the subject that is being discussed so you try to get personal and attack the person you are having a discussion with. You have shown yourself as an enemy to the Armenians in this and other threads the same goes for Azar. I think two of you are nothing more than trolls, and not even amusing ones.

[Mos]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

It was you who showed the greater Iran map with Armenia included, and keeps trying to place Armenia under Iranian sphere. I am all for good relations, but I don't want our nation or culture under any country's sphere, because it just doesn't belong! We have suffered under many Empires, including Persian, and our greatest struggle in our history has been for independence. This is from Khachatur Abovian, one of the most famous Armenian writers:

Wounds of Armenia

The historical novel Wounds of Armenia (written in 1841, first published in 1858) was the first Armenian secular novel dedicated to the fate of the Armenian people and its struggle for liberation in the period of Russo-Persian war of 1826–1828.[18] The novel dealt with the suffering of Armenians under Persian occupation.[18] The basic concept of the novel was the assertion of feelings of national merit, patriotism and hatred of oppressors. These themes had a profound influence on wide layers of Armenian society. The hero of the novel, Agassi, personifies the freedom-loving national spirit and its will to fight against the foreign conquerors. "Give away your life, but never give away your native lands," is the motto of Agassi and his partisan friends.[18] The story begins with an abduction of an Armenian girl by a band of thugs sent by the Persian sardar that triggers an uprising led by Agassi.[19]

Abovian saw in strengthening of the friendship of Russian and Armenian peoples a guarantee of the national, political and cultural revival of his native lands.[20] However; when Abovian wrote the novel he was already disillusioned with Tsarist policies in Armenia, particularly with the implementation of Polozhenie (Statute) in 1836 which greatly reduced the political power of the Armenian Catholicos and the abolishment of the Armenian Oblast in 1840.[20] In the novel, elements of romanticism and realism are interlaced while the narration is supplanted by lyrical retreats.[18]

[Persopolis]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

This is from Khachatur Abovian, one of the most famous Armenian writers:

Khachatur Abovian: “Our language consists of at least 50% Turkish words, …”. (K.Abovian, “Wounds of Armenia”, Yerevan, 1939, Pp.80-81.). 


Khachatur Abovian: “Everywhere - on celebrations or wedding ceremonies we sing in Turkish”. (Kh.Abovyan, “Wounds of Armenia”, Yerevan, 1939, in the Armenian language). 


Khachatur Abovian: “[The] main distinguishing feature between the ancient and modern language of Armenian is a conversation manner and syntactic structure. The ancient Armenian language (“grabar”) resembles European languages from this viewpoint, but the new Armenian language (“ashkharabar”) resembles Turkish. (K.Abovian, Nakhashavig, Yerevan, 1940.). 


A.Terteryan, a famous academician: “Abovyan used, what he had heard from the mouth of the Tatar people…” (A.Terteryan, “Creative activity of Abovyan”, published by the Yerevan State University in 1941).

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

Khachatur Abovian: “Our language consists of at least 50% Turkish words, …”. (K.Abovian, “Wounds of Armenia”, Yerevan, 1939, Pp.80-81.). 


Khachatur Abovian: “Everywhere - on celebrations or wedding ceremonies we sing in Turkish”. (Kh.Abovyan, “Wounds of Armenia”, Yerevan, 1939, in the Armenian language). 


Khachatur Abovian: “[The] main distinguishing feature between the ancient and modern language of Armenian is a conversation manner and syntactic structure. The ancient Armenian language (“grabar”) resembles European languages from this viewpoint, but the new Armenian language (“ashkharabar”) resembles Turkish. (K.Abovian, Nakhashavig, Yerevan, 1940.). 


A.Terteryan, a famous academician: “Abovyan used, what he had heard from the mouth of the Tatar people…” (A.Terteryan, “Creative activity of Abovyan”, published by the Yerevan State University in 1941).

What is the point that you are trying to make here actually? You post has nothing to do with the topic and isn't even a reply to what Mos posted. It's like every other one of your posts: gibberish.

[lampron]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

I want to welcome our Iranian friends Persopolis and Azar

Armenia and Iran will remain friends no matter what governments come to power

Why have Armenian businessmen not built a modern railway line connecting Yerevan with Tehran
after so many years?

Armenians like to congratulate themselves about how clever they were as traders in the 17th century.
What matters is the HERE and NOW, not 300 years ago!

Armenian-Iranian relations have huge unexploited potential

I am sure Iran would even allow Armenia to operate commercial ships out of its ports on the
Persian Gulf

Armenia could be conducting its trade out of the Persian Gulf and to hell with Turkish
and Azerbaijani blockades and Georgian troublemakers

The opportunities are there - are Armenians up to the task, or do they prefer empty
discussions about how different they might be from Iranians?

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

I want to welcome our Iranian friends Persopolis and Azar

Armenia and Iran will remain friends no matter what governments come to power

Why have Armenian businessmen not built a modern railway line connecting Yerevan with Tehran
after so many years?

Armenians like to congratulate themselves about how clever they were as traders in the 17th century.
What matters is the HERE and NOW, not 300 years ago!

Armenian-Iranian relations have huge unexploited potential

I am sure Iran would even allow Armenia to operate commercial ships out of its ports on the
Persian Gulf

Armenia could be conducting its trade out of the Persian Gulf and to hell with Turkish
and Azerbaijani blockades and Georgian troublemakers

The opportunities are there - are Armenians up to the task, or do they prefer empty
discussions about how different they might be from Iranians?

Do you know what the cost is for such a project? It's much easier and economically much more efficient to just use Georgia, is much closer and the infrastructure is already there.

I would rather see Armenia exporting to Europe than Asia. There is more money in the West, your average Westerner has much more money to spend than some on from the East. So you can get a much higher revenue for the same product when you export to Europe. In Europe there is less corruption when you compare it to Asia, so you'll lose less money to corrupt officials.

If a modern railway to Tehran would have a high enough return some businessman would've already constructed it.

[Mos]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

I want to welcome our Iranian friends Persopolis and Azar

Armenia and Iran will remain friends no matter what governments come to power

Why have Armenian businessmen not built a modern railway line connecting Yerevan with Tehran
after so many years?

Armenians like to congratulate themselves about how clever they were as traders in the 17th century.
What matters is the HERE and NOW, not 300 years ago!

Armenian-Iranian relations have huge unexploited potential

I am sure Iran would even allow Armenia to operate commercial ships out of its ports on the
Persian Gulf

Armenia could be conducting its trade out of the Persian Gulf and to hell with Turkish
and Azerbaijani blockades and Georgian troublemakers

The opportunities are there - are Armenians up to the task, or do they prefer empty
discussions about how different they might be from Iranians?

Have you read some of the posts and threads they've been making?

[haysip]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

"in this video Armen Ayvazyan(one of the best Armenian historians today) says that intermarrages/rapes of Armenians were very rare. It was probably as rare as once every 300 years. and those babies that were not Armenian were being destroyed."