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Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?
Originally posted by haysip View Post... "in this video Armen Ayvazyan ... says that intermarrages/rapes of Armenians were very rare ... and those babies that were not Armenian were being destroyed."
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Originally posted by Persopolis View PostI don''t think intermarriage and rape are in the same category. Armenia was the easiest way to try to get into Iran and we know that Turkish tribes and Arab invaders sacked Armenia a number of times (and their practices are fairly well-documented). So, I think he's fooling himself and I'd doubt his position can withstand serious debate. I'm not sure "destroying babies" is a part of traditional Armenian culture (it would likely cause your women to flee into the arms of other men). If he's correct, I shudder to think what the implications are for recognition of the Armenian Genocide.
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Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?
Originally posted by Persopolis View PostI don''t think intermarriage and rape are in the same category. Armenia was the easiest way to try to get into Iran and we know that Turkish tribes and Arab invaders sacked Armenia a number of times (and their practices are fairly well-documented). So, I think he's fooling himself and I'd doubt his position can withstand serious debate. I'm not sure "destroying babies" is a part of traditional Armenian culture (it would likely cause your women to flee into the arms of other men). If he's correct, I shudder to think what the implications are for recognition of the Armenian Genocide.
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Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?
Originally posted by KarotheGreat View PostFirst let me start by saying that you know nothing about history or geography. The easiest way to enter Iran is through Central Asia and not through the Caucasus mountain range and then through the Armenian high lands.
You can find information at your local library - but in order to keep the thread on topic I will have to ignore your future comments unless I see that they are directly relevant to the topic.
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Originally posted by Persopolis View PostOttoman-Turks & Arabs entering Armenia came from the West (not Central Asia)-- Huns, Tatars, Khazars, came from the North (Caucuses). They each used Armenia as a point of entry. On the question of direction of entry, you will recall that one of the reasons Shah Abbas evacuated Julfa was to deny the invading Ottoman army food and shelter.
You can find information at your local library - but in order to keep the thread on topic I will have to ignore your future comments unless I see that they are directly relevant to the topic.
You can ignore what ever you want but you are still proving that you know nothing about the subject at hand and your claims have been disputed by some one with real authority, an historian. You can keep acting the way you did and ignore it and keep posting anti-Armenian gibberish, I couldn't care less.
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Originally posted by KarotheGreat View PostThe Arabs came from the South and the Arabs never used Armenia as a staging ground for attacks against Iran, they already had conquered Iran. The Ottomans were trying to conquer the Caucasus for themselves and wouldn't not use it to attack Persian hart lands, Mesopotamia is much easier to do that. The Seljuks the real dangers from the east came from the steppes in Central Asia not through the Caucasus. By evacuating you mean forcibly deporting people and making 20000-50000 people die during the marches?
You can ignore what ever you want but you are still proving that you know nothing about the subject at hand and your claims have been disputed by some one with real authority, an historian. You can keep acting the way you did and ignore it and keep posting anti-Armenian gibberish, I couldn't care less.
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Originally posted by Persopolis View PostI agree with you, but don't worry about it - at least a handful of Armenians have noticed the mentality of some among them - hopefully Iranians will be more aware of these attitudes (including Iranian-Armenians who may be put in harms way by other Armenians by thinking that it will be a bed of roses to include themselves among individuals with attitudes like Mos's).
It's also peculiar that Mos doesn't want Iranians to participate on threads germane to Iranians - like the Iran & Armenia Relations thread. [Have a Look: http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread....ht=#post313016 ] Though Mos knows little about Iran apart from the standard Zionist propaganda he constantly spouts off about Iranians -- he wants to propagate that nonsense without the participation of Iranians while pushing a myth that we are going to jump through the computer screen and deprive Armenia of self-rule by creating a "Greater Iran." It's a phony scare tactic typical of the Zionist lobby.
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"Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."
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Originally posted by haysip View PostArmen Ayvazyan (one of the best Armenian historians today)... though really for this I need a smilie that is rolling around with side-splitting laughter! First time I've seen his idiot face though. For someone claiming that (if Haysip's summary is correct) the "Armenian genotype" today is exactly the same as it was 3000 years ago he looks more like an underfed Russian than a typical Armenian, and the woman after him looks like a decrepid old Persian peasant! Mind you, Hilter was far from his own ideal "Germanic genotype".
Last edited by bell-the-cat; 04-16-2011, 06:21 PM.Plenipotentiary meow!
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Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?
Originally posted by Persopolis View PostArmenia was the easiest way to try to get into Iran.Plenipotentiary meow!
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