Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

Where did you say that bridge was that you were going to sell me?

Again posting the same images you showed me? Now that I know the source that you got them from (some blog) I can tell you that this is worth nothing. Are all your sources like this one, from some blog?

[Persopolis]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

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[KarotheGreat]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

Eddo wrote to me in Persian and wanted to know if I can speak Persian (let's just call it the 'B-e-g-l-a-r-i-a-n Principle' - I track the people that track you.) Incidentally, some Armenians speak better Persian than Armenian. Nevertheless, I will translate the quotation by the Armenian anthropologist at the turn of the last century for you - it's from a time before Armenian-SSR started mixing with the Soviet gene pool. The Armenian anthropologist stated: "In Iran and abroad I have viewed the facial structures and appearances of Armenians and they are distinctly Persian." You will note the photograph from 1895 supports his findings.

stop this BS, the words of one anthropologist doesn't mean much because he's just one man giving his opinion, as long there is no proof of his research and the picture proofs nothing because no one knows who those people are and where the picture is taken.

Exactly. However, that occurred at middle to the end of the 19th century (start of the 1900s = 20th century) as people gradually adapted to Russian influence, which means that Iranian-Armenians (some of the oldest Armenians) were not assimilated by Bolshevism and the gene pool from the various Soviet Republics. The Russian/Bolshevik influence is completely alien to traditional (ancient) Armenian culture and genetics.

Where do you get this gene pool BS from can you tell me that, what research supports your delusional ideas. And the islamic culture that Iran has turned in to isn't alien to Armenia, I would say the Russian culture that borrows much from the eastern-Roman culture is closer to the real Armenian culture than the Iranian muslim one that has been more influenced by all the invaders from the east.

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Photographs are scientific: You mean when if Turks say the photos of the AG are not scientific that will be a response you and other Armenians will accept?

No photos are only scientific if you know where and when the pictures are taken and by whom, only then you can use them as scientific. The Turks try, like you to use random pictures as proof of things without any context. Like a pile of guns coming from the Armenians but no proof that an Armenian touched those guns, the same is happening here.

Physical Anthropology in the Forensic Sciences uses photographic evidence and is scientific. However, I also did provide scientific research: look for my posts regarding the shared ancestry of Iranians and Armenians from several departments of genetics, anthropology, sociology, and from Armenian historians.

Your post contains non of the things you are talking about.
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Last time I checked marriage was NOT a prerequisite for conduct that leads to child-bearing - the widespread use of commercially available contraception is a modern phenomenon and historically abortion was far more taboo when Iranians & Armenians were making babies. Last time I checked Iranian and Armenian intermixing took place for centuries (= a very, very, very long time) BEFORE Christianity or Islam even existed. Nevertheless, it also took place afterwards.

And the Iranians today have mixed with so many different people that they are different than the Iranians of 2000 years ago, even back then you had intermixing with different people that lived in their empire. So your assumption that Iranians and Armenians are the same people is wrong because it ignores the facts that Persia has been conquered many times in the past and it's own population has been mixing with people that the Armenians had no contact with because of the geographical reasons.

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Yes it was ... but the Russians took over Armenia in the 19th century (1828) and individuals that provided the intellectual fodder for early the Bolshevik movement existed in the 19th century - Bolsheviks came to power in the 20th century.

It doesn't change the fact that you were WRONG, does it?
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I didn't actually post porn, but I did show you were it was posted to rebut the nonsense that Armenians ONLY carry on sexual relationships with Armenians. And if you are referring to videos concerning prostitution, your buddy Mos was posting that type content years before I got to this forum ... cry me a river.

Mos also has no problems pointing out that Aliyev (the President of Azerbaijan) looks Armenian, but as I pointed out to him the Azerbaijani gene pool underwent a similar genetic modification as the one in Armenia-SSR. If you don't see phenotypes like Aliyev's in Iran, I suggest to trace your ancestry to elsewhere in the Caucusus ... The Khazars, Huns, Turks, Tatars were particularly effective at raping ... so I am not sure marriage is a prerequisite for anything.

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I don't think it's "normal" to "own a porn website" (for me and the Iranian government it's an oxymoron). The real point is that it is commonly "normal" (to use your phrase) in Yerevan to run porn sites publishing a number of videos showing Armenians sexually cavorting with others ethnic groups from the Caucasus. Many of those sexual encounters result in kids being born (see quote regarding sale of Armenian women by Armenians and Russians to places like Dubai.) When your (Armenia's) population is tiny (3 million) it doesn't take much to alter the gene pool.

It seems like with history you know nothing how the porn industry works do you? Maybe in Iran every time a man and a woman have sex, the girl gets pregnant but it isn't like that in the rest of the world. Where did you get the bold BS from source or you are talking out of your ass. It seems to me you should worry more how the Mullahs are destroying your country then you should worry about Armenia, with people getting executed for owning a porn site. It seems the middle ages continue in some places.

It's up to you if you want to "thank" Russians for conquering Armenia, losing 3/4 of its land, failing to stop the Armenian Genocide ... and the other lovely things that went along with it. But please don't waste your life blaming Iran for that. And with attitudes that have been permitted to flourish here against Iranians, it's probably a bad idea to run to Iran for help the next time it happens.

yes because Iranian rule was so much better, you know that Shah Abbas is hated in Armenia for what he did to the Armenians and all the people that died because of his forced relocation of the Armenians living in Nakhijevan, you can track the problems of today back to him. Iran will never help is in 93 it was the Russians who rushed to protect our borders not the Iranians, today it's still the Russians standing there protecting our border and not the Iranians. So tell me how many crazed Iranian islamic extremists can we expect to rush to Azerbaijan as a part of a grand Jihad against Armenia?

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Yes it does - with the exception that if someone does that in or from Iran, they have lost their right to live or return to Iran. The issue was whether assimilation of Armenians is going on in Yerevan (Armenia) - you only have 3 million people while widespread assimilation is going on with other populations. It's a myth that Iranian-Armenians can avoid genetic of cultural assimilation by moving to Armenia. Armenia is already far more assimilated.

"Armenia is primarily a source country for women and girls trafficked to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Turkey for the purpose of commercial sexual exploitation. Armenian men and women are trafficked to Russia for the purpose of forced labor. NGOs reported that Armenian women were also trafficked to Turkey for the purpose of forced labor. Women from Ukraine and Russia are trafficked to Armenia for the purpose of forced labor. Victims trafficked to the UAE usually fly to Dubai from Yerevan or via cities in Russia; the trafficking route to Turkey is generally via bus through Georgia. A small number of Armenian girls and boys are trafficked internally for purposes of commercial sexual exploitation and forced begging."

(U.S. State Dept Trafficking in Persons Report, June, 2009.)



“ The opposition Armenian National Congress has issued a statement, referring to the recent WikiLeaks disclosure on the situation with human trafficking in Armenia. "This document gives appalling details, dwelling on the phenomenon of child molestation as well," the statement goes on saying. According to the ANC acivists, authortieis are to blame for the social depreciation and extreme poverty forcing many parents to send their children abroad for prostitution.

They further note that the document was elaborated based on the studies of the US Embassy in Yerevan and an interview with Armenian Prosecutor General Aghvan Hovsepyan. The leaked cable issued by the WikiLeaks accused the prosecutor general of supporting trafficking and porn industry in Armenia. It claimed that the Armenian president and the National Assembly's failure to take urgent measures to fire Hovsepyan demonstrate that traffikcing and porn business are supported on the state level in Armenia.”

http://www.tert.am/en/news/2011/02/11/traffickinganc/

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the only proof you have given is what some one in the US embassy thinks and what the oppositions loves to think you haven't given any really sources that the Armenian government is involved in human trafficking and I don't care if they are involved in porn, if some one wants to make their money that way its their business but it certainly is not your business what we do or don't do. If we want we can give all our lands to the US tomorrow you know why we can do it, because it's our land with our people living on it and we don't want a crazy Iranian telling us what we can or can't do.

[Eddo211]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

No Iranian will go through what you are doing to prove that Armenians are of "Persian stock"....Fck you dude. We are not Persians, we are Armenians and how the hell did you get my real name, are you tracking IP addresses or what.

You claim other Armenian posters here are Wolfs in PM....you are the one that has not passed my test yet. I know how normal Iranians behave, and it is nothing like you.
For the third time: WHAT IS YOUR OBJECTIVE HERE?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

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[KanadaHye]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

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[ArmSurvival]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

What happens when you mix lemon juice with lemon juice for centuries? You get more lemon juice.
What happens when you mix lemon juice with vodka? You get drunk and forget history.

So if Armenians are Iranians, is it also correct to say that Iranians are Armenoids? Or is it just a one-way street?

I'll make sure you understand my position in a very detailed blog on the subject that will address family trees on both sides of the iron curtain; I won't fully attempt it on this thread, as several individuals don't like to use the quote button and run interference. I'll make sure to leave a link when I am done.

Ok.

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

What happens when you mix lemon juice with lemon juice for centuries? You get more lemon juice.
What happens when you mix lemon juice with vodka? You get drunk and forget history.

So if Armenians are Iranian, is it also correct to say that Iranians are Armenoids? Or is it just a one-way street?

I'll make sure you understand my position in a very detailed blog on the subject that will address family trees on both sides of the iron curtain; I won't fully attempt it on this thread, as several individuals don't like to use the quote button and run interference. I'll make sure to leave a link when I am done.

Ok.

[Persopolis]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

Arsacid Dynasty or Arshakuni Dynasty: Ethnic Iranian-&-Armenian Dynasties ("Iranian-Armenian")


I will update this section to show more Armenian ties to Iran - Because of the extensive history there is so much to add -- the Arshakuni family of Khorason, Iran that became the cornerstone of Armenia in antiquity for several centuries is only a small part of that legacy. The connections are vast and cannot be dealt with in a single post.
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...Persepolis declaring that Armenia is part of Greater Iran.

Where did you see this? Can you give a quote?

Of course: I am not going to shy away from history.

Pay attention to what you see below:
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Arsacid Dynasty or Arshakuni Dynasty


The Arsacid Dynasty or Arshakuni Dynasty originated in Khorasan, Iran (in Persian it means the land of the sun); the Arshakunis, an Iranian-Armenian tribe, established huge territories in Greater Armenia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsacid_Dynasty_of_Armenia

* Darius Arshakuni (born about 40 BC Khorasan, Iran). Iranian King. LINK http://ellis-pagoria.com/getperson.php?personID=I25041&tree=ellis

* Arshakuni Dynasty of Armenia (Արշակունի) - from 54 AD to 428 AD. LINK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsacid_Dynasty_of_Armenia

* We know what the Arshakuni family looked like:


* We know these Iranian-Armenians (Arshakunis) still exist (not including the ones that intermarried with Persians):

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Excuse me, but which "Armenian" tribe was this gentleman from?


For anyone that wants to see where Khorason is:

[Regarding the forced changing of names.] In the case of Turkey yes, with Iran no, many interethnic marriages happened, google the Bagratid dynasty, at a stage the culture was almost entirely similar, then Byzantines, Christianity and Islam came into play and changed it.

You my friend are totally correct. The above example is from prior to the birth of Jesus. It actually goes back much further than that. Many prominent Armenians have ethnic Iranian names based on their ethnic ties to ancient Iranian tribes (e.g., Sassounian = member of the Persian Sassanid family).

[Persopolis]

Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?

So tell me how many crazed Iranian islamic extremists can we expect to rush to Azerbaijan as a part of a grand Jihad against Armenia?

Try to stay on topic. Based on the things you write here regularly, your failure to come to terms with history, and inability to make and maintain friendships in the region, it could happen. However, there are other sources which you don't seem to account for.

Of course they might come from Russia also given that 1/7 of Russia's population is Muslim. Who knows, some Muslim Russian General might read your posts and make policy based on it ... Best of luck to you. (P.S. Guys with attitudes like yours are not welcome to flee into Iran - be certain.)

Turks, Kurds, Chechens ... you have a lot to look forward to. From what I have heard the Hamshenis (Muslim Armenians) are not fans of attitudes like yours either.