Relocating to Armenia from Arab countries

[Federate]

Re: Relocating to Armenia from Arab countries

More like entirely justifiably and no lol.

I don't go in for conspiracy theories but I'm beginning to think the whole thing is one big Israeli plot. Chirstians are being massacred in the streets in Egypt, churches are burnt down, but everything is now wonderful there according to Western Media. The government there is moving to tear up agreements with Israel and open the border at Gaza for free access, yet Israel and its poodle media in the west remains strangely silent. Israel is, I think, looking for a situation where it is surrounded by weak but fanatical Islamist regimes so that it can gain unquestioned support for America for all time and can do whatever it wants.

BTW, welcome back

Silly bell, you do not need to excuse yourself of not going in conspiracy theories What you stated in not a conspiracy theory in the typical dismissal sense, it's just politics without you being silenced by being called a so-called "anti-"Semite"". It's real talk!

They had better watch out if they do go there - the fascistic Armenian Church in Artsakh will be watching their every move.

And it also neatly neutralises any complaints Armenia might dare to raise if Georgia also allows the self-styled "Mtzkehtian Turks" to return to its Samtskhe-Javakheti province.

I wouldn't go as far as to call the Armenian Church in Artsakh fascistic. It does whatever it can to exclude elements that are not part of the Armenian identity simply because there are only 140 000 people in Artsakh. The slightest bit of "deviation" (mainly Jehova's Witnesses) will make a huge difference. Having said that, I think these issues will be negotiated if they were to be settled in Martakert. It's also possible that they are already Christians (aka "Northern Hamshens") or have converted.

As for the Meshkhetian Turks, I do see a difference: Hamshens are viewed as Armenians going back to Armenia while the Meskhetian Turks are Turks going to Georgia. Still not a perfect excuse.

[bell-the-cat]

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I wouldn't go as far as to call the Armenian Church in Artsakh fascistic. It does whatever it can to exclude elements that are not part of the Armenian identity simply because there are only 140 000 people in Artsakh. The slightest bit of "deviation" (mainly Jehova's Witnesses) will make a huge difference. Having said that, I think these issues will be negotiated if they were to be settled in Martakert. It's also possible that they are already Christians (aka "Northern Hamshens") or have converted.

As for the Meshkhetian Turks, I do see a difference: Hamshens are viewed as Armenians going back to Armenia while the Meskhetian Turks are Turks going to Georgia. Still not a perfect excuse.

Most impartial sources agree that the "Meshkhetian Turks" are not ethnic Turks, they are Islamised Iberians/Georgians/Armenians. They were deported to central Asia by Stalin in order to remove minorities that might be seen as pro-Turkish from the Soviet border with Turkey. The term postdates the deportation, so the deported Hamshen Armenians are also "Meshkhetian Turks"!

The Armenian Church in Artsakh is fascistic in nature because it demanded that it should be the only religious institution allowed to operate within the territory of Nagorno-Karabagh and actually got local laws passed that made it the only religious institution legally allowed to operate there. The Armenian Church tried to do the same in Armenia but the law it wanted passed was rejected as being anti-democratic. So the Hamshen Armenians, if they were to settle in N K, would be committing a crime if they continued to practice Islam in an organised way.

[UrMistake]

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bell you got it wrong :/ confused maybe with hamshen?

you are giving the impresion not only armenian hamshen but also other cultural groups.

Meshkhetian Turks are turks living in meshket in georgia if the lived in London they would be called Londons Turks ..

[bell-the-cat]

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bell you got it wrong :/ confused maybe with hamshen?

you are giving the impresion not only armenian hamshen but also other cultural groups.

Meshkhetian Turks are turks living in meshket in georgia if the lived in London they would be called Londons Turks ..

Please, do at least a minimum amount of research before you post.

And I DON'T mean fxxxing Wikipedia.

[Federate]

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Most impartial sources agree that the "Meshkhetian Turks" are not ethnic Turks, they are Islamised Iberians/Georgians/Armenians. They were deported to central Asia by Stalin in order to remove minorities that might be seen as pro-Turkish from the Soviet border with Turkey. The term postdates the deportation, so the deported Hamshen Armenians are also "Meshkhetian Turks"!

Perhaps those impartial sources are right about their origin. Regardless though, their return is and will still be viewed as Turks returning to Georgia even if their origins might not be Turkish. The fact that they are Muslim, speak Turkish and go around with the label "Meshkhetian Turks" makes them seem like they are Turks.

The Hamshens are at least known that they are Armenians and they themselves claim this too.

The Armenian Church in Artsakh is fascistic in nature because it demanded that it should be the only religious institution allowed to operate within the territory of Nagorno-Karabagh and actually got local laws passed that made it the only religious institution legally allowed to operate there. The Armenian Church tried to do the same in Armenia but the law it wanted passed was rejected as being anti-democratic. So the Hamshen Armenians, if they were to settle in N K, would be committing a crime if they continued to practice Islam in an organised way.

I know why you called it fascistic and I disagree because of the present realities of the Republic of Artsakh. I am sure though that this matter will be resolved if it needs a resolution (if it has not already been).

[UrMistake]

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Please, do at least a minimum amount of research before you post.

And I DON'T mean fxxxing Wikipedia.

I dont know what you have learned about them in your school but we did,if so then more than half of turks are originated from some other group,but the fact that they allie themselves with turkey is not serving good purposes

[gegev]

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Any recent news about Armenians condition in Syria?

[gegev]

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I see things in Syria are getting worse. Any news about Armenians there?

[Mher]

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I have some question about Armenians in Russia. First of all, how assimillated are they? are they as assimilated as Armenians in western nation, or have they maintained their armenian culture more? Also, what is the prospect of them returning to Armenia? I am wondering because Armenians in Russia are important because they make up such a huge proportion of Armenians in the world.

[Federate]

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I see things in Syria are getting worse. Any news about Armenians there?

Armenians are doing fine. They are staying away from the streets for the most part. They have canceled all their festivals though. For example, May 28 toghantsk did not happen this year.