Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

[Mos]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Kurdman, what do you think? one of our Yezdi Brothers, very popular in Armenia:

լավն էր, իսկական քեֆի երաժշտություն....

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

This is my dialect, much better than kurmanji

[TomServo]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Here is a series of interviews on the Yezidi community in Armenia.

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia



Do I look like an idiot? I know for a fact that most Yazidis in Armenia are un-educated and as I've stated before, these people are very religion orientated. I mean if they fall for things like: Quoted from Hasan Tamoyan their so called leader.

I don't know anything like that. I only know that my ethnicity
is Yezidi, my religion is Sharfadin, and my language is the Yezidi
language which we call Ezidiki. There is so much distorted material
published about Yezidis so this is the reason that our meeting started
with my questions to you.

So this guy considers himself to be above the emir of the Yazidi people, and above the prince of their people? also he sais 'Yezidi is my language' what is that a joke? they speak Kurmanji, lol! this is so funny! it's obvious that the uneducated Yazidi of Armenia are completely blocked away from the reality.

He is then told by the interviewer:

Amarik Sardar, Editor of Riya Taza [the oldest surviving Kurdish
newspaper in the world], is a Yezidi though, right? Yet he also
considers himself a Kurd.

I've never asked him.

He's a Yezidi.

I am thinking like the majority [of Yezidi].

Yet you said that all the Yezidis in Armenia feel that way.

That's right. All.

'All, not all, yes all' what the hell? where did you find this clown?

Full of lies and stuff that even my little brother would laugh at.

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

In their effort to create a separatist movement the Yezidi movement
leaders have established themselves within the newly formed Armenian
government. Sheikh Hasan Hasanian appointed himself archbishop of the
Yezidis and as a member of the Armenian Parliament, often voices
anti-Kurdish, pro-Yezidi sentiments. Supporters of the Yezidi
movement often resort to violence and intimidation to silence the
Kurdish intellectuals, who although Yezidis themselves, oppose such a
separation. These violent actions have been reported to the government
officials, but no legal actions have been taken. To further expand
their movement, the Yezidi movement leaders established in 1991, the
bi-weekly Dinge Yezdisa (Yezidi Voice) newspaper, edited by Sheikh
Hasane, who is a former staff member of the Kurdish radio programme,
who in 1990, opened the first Kurdish school in Yerevan. The Yezidi
Voice is published in Armenian, which Sheikh Hasane explains is done
to "introduce Yezidis to our Armenian brothers". In addition the
Yezidis now have a 30 minute Yezidi Radio Programme. While the Yezdi
programs receive financial support from the Armenian government, the
Riya Taza, and the Kurdish Radio Programme suffer from severe
financial problems, which have halted Riya Taza's publications for the
last six months of 1992.

http://groong.org/orig/ja-19980702.html

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Good to see that at least the intellectuals can't be fooled.

A group of Kurdish intellectuals in Armenia, who are themselves
Yezidis, recently formed the Kurdish Intellectual Advisory
Committee. During the committee's second conference, held in early
May, 1992, in Yerevan, they focused primarily on the detrimental
effects of the Yezidi movement in Armenia, and its aims to destroy
Kurdish unity. Supporters of the Yezidi movement had threatened to
blow up the building in which the conference was to be held, but
forces from Armenia's Interior Ministry were assigned to guard the
building against such violence.

Hmmm

Their opposers consider the Yezidi movement "absurd" and designed to
take the Yezidis back to the "dark ages" as conservative religious
Sheikhs practice power plays. Dr Karlen Chachani and Kurdish scholar
and corresponding member of the Armenian Academy of Sciences, Shakhro
Mehoyan, Charkaz Mesdoian, as well as a score of other Kurdish
intellectuals who are Yezidi, argue that the Yezidi separatist
movement has the full support of the Armenian government.

As I said, Yazidi else where find this disturbing.

"One million Yezidi Kurds around the world are amazed at this division
of Yezidis in Armenia," says Teimur Muradov. "Their propoganda is
absurd. Two days' expense of Yezidi Radio Hour's operating cost can
cover one month's publishing cost of Riya Taza. The anti-Armenia news
the Yezidi movement leaders publish and broadcast is beamed into
Turkey... making Armenia look very bad."

AT: I am the President of all the Yezidi in the world as well as
the President of the National Union of Yezidi in Armenia. I am also the
Director and editor of this newspaper, "Yezdikhana" [formerly "Voice
of Yezidi"] but there is also another editor. This is my book [shows
book] and there are sections on the Yezidi and the Kurds. There is
also more information about myself.

Errr..... no your not, how can you be the 'president' if no one has voted for you in your imaginary elections? besides the Prince of the Yazidi people is alive and kicking, he lives in Lalish.

AT: There is no connection. The Yezidi speak Yezideren. You read
English, don't you?

Again, yes... the 'Yazidi' language is kurmanji.

OK: According to this, because the Armenian Government has
recognized the official languages of the Republic of Armenia as being
Assyrian, Yezidi, Russian, Greek and Kurdish, the Council of Europe
has also recognized them as such and that Yezidi exists as a separate
language.

AT: Of course.

Lol, so becuase the Armenian government listed Yazidi as a language, that makes it different to Kurmanji? what a clown.

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

RA: In Armenia there are lots of problems and political parties
such as Dashnaksutiun like the PKK. On the other hand, the Armenian
Government doesn't like to recognize Yezidis as Kurds so the only
people willing to help Yezidis in Armenia with their identity are
groups such as the PKK. However, when the PKK first went to Armenia
they were very strong, but since the establishment of [Iraqi]
Kurdistan more Yezidis are becoming increasingly passionate about
South Kurdistan, which is Northern Iraq.

In Georgia it's different. The PKK was strong here until 1995 when,
because they are neighbors, relations between Georgia and Turkey
became stronger. As a result, the PKK lost its influence on the
people. Now, in Armenia, as people become aware of what's going on in
Iraqi Kurdistan they establish links with the political parties there
and become more passionate about Iraqi Kurdistan as well.

Great to know it's started

OK: You travel to Iraqi Kurdistan, but when you do is this in an
official capacity?

RA: The invitation always comes from [President of the Autonomous
Kurdish Government] Masoud Barzani's Office or the Regional
Government.



OK: And how do you feel when you travel to Iraqi Kurdistan?

RA: It's a great feeling because it's my country and as the Kurds
are divided between various countries I'm happy that there is now
freedom in Iraqi Kurdistan. Also, I have to say that the Kurds in Iraq
are very educated and aware of what is happening not only in their own
region, but also worldwide. They are also very helpful and hospitable.
When I visited Lalish [Yezidi Religious Center in Iraq] I was impressed.

Excellent.

OK: So, as far as you're concerned, it doesn't affect your ability
to communicate with Yezidis living in Armenia?


RA: There is no problem at all. We are Kurds and nobody accepts
anyone saying something different. All Kurds were Yezidis until they
adopted Islam, but we didn't. Our religion is different, but we are
still Kurds. All over the world people have one language and so do
we, so how can anyone say we are not one nation? We can understand the
Soranis and they can understand us, and we can understand the Goranis,
Bedinis and vice-versa.

Thank you!

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Why don't you post your links and tell people that it is a Georgian lawyer that is talking and he's giving his opinion?

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Why don't you post your links and tell people that it is a Georgian lawyer that is talking and he's giving his opinion?

It's from the interviews, and the link was posted in the previous page

http://groong.org/orig/yezidi.html

[Artsakh]

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3 Kurdish rebels killed in fighting in eastern Turkey

ANKARA, Turkey - Turkey's state-run Anatolia news agency says troops have killed three Kurdish rebels in fighting in eastern Turkey.

The Anatolia agency says the fighting occurred near a village in Sivas province on Tuesday.

The military operation against the rebels was still under way. Reinforcements were sent to the area and troops were being backed with air power.

The rebels of the Kurdistan Worker's Party, or PKK, are waging a campaign for autonomy in southeast Turkey. The conflict has killed tens of thousands of people since 1984.

The group's imprisoned leader, Abdullah Ocalan, had warned of increased violence unless the government puts an end to the fighting with the rebels.

http://www.brandonsun.com/world/breaking-news/123807499.html?thx=y