Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

[Suedia]

It's allready been a week that I am in Armenia, and many things have changed on the psychological level since my last year's visit. 90% of my friends are thinking and preparing to leave the country. While last year only 4 of my friends were preparing to migrate, now almost EVERYONE in the country is!! This is a very critical problem and action must be taken.

The main reasons of Migration according to them are:

- Unemployement

- Corruption

- Geopolitical instability (NKR)

- Closed borders

- Conscription

all of this + the recent events in Armenia(March 1) have led the people to hopelessness and distrust to the extreme.

What should the people of Armenia, the Authorities, and the Diaspora do to fix this problem?

[Serjik]

Re: Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

I guess we all have different experiences bro. Id say other than the panic being created in Armenia by the opposition and CIA agents not much is different in Armenia today. In my surroundings I say 50% would leave if they have an opportunity. But this has to do with Armenians naivety which is being encouraged by outside forces of evil. Many people here think it's paradise everywhere els just because every day they hear that its hell in Armenia. I actually would like to see all those who want to leave Armenia leave Armenia and see what's really out there. Maybe they should go to lovely Greece LOL! Trust me dude many will come back right away.

[Suedia]

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exactly!! That's what I mean!! It's true that we have many of these problems, but they just keep exaggerating and exaggerating things. This is more of a physchological problem than social-economic for Armenia.

[Armanen]

Re: Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

exactly!! That's what I mean!! It's true that we have many of these problems, but they just keep exaggerating and exaggerating things. This is more of a physchological problem than social-economic for Armenia.

Now do some of you understand what is meant my psy-ops and psychological warfare?

Sueda, assuming you are Armenian, I think your friends are overstating things by a wide margin, and this is not typical of my experience in recent years nor with people I speak to on a regular basis.

[Mos]

Re: Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

There is migration out of Armenia, but migrations numbers have been steadily dropping. People sometimes don't realise that unemployment is worldwide, not only in Armenia. Corruption has been decreasing as well thanks to Pres. Sargsyan. The NKR conflict is a very poor excuse to migrate. In all, people migrate as they have an illusion that anything in the "West" is better, while similar problems exist in the West or Russia.

The one thing I will readily critisise the current government for is the passport regulation. I know someone who is Armenian and immigrated to Armenia from Tbilisi, Georgia, and has been working hard here in Armenia for years, has a family already, and so on. But he has been waiting more than 5, 6 years to get Armenian citizenship, and still hasn't. He has no past history of crime, and is a hard working Armenian who wants to live in Armenia. I really don't understand why they make getting such citizenship so hard for fellow Armenians who have moved back, are working hard, and have proven to be dedicated citizens. It just doesn't make sense. We should look to Israel as there it's very easy for a J3w to get their citizenship when moving there. If government wants Armenians moving back readily to the homeland, they need to really fix this process or else Armenians will just move back where they came from if they can't be treated as citizens after years of living and working in their homeland. It's embarrassing honestly.

[Serjik]

Re: Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

My relatives there love to complain like thats all they know how to do but not one of them likes to work. They want to be taken care of by the system like in soviet times. as much as I hate the unelected government and the idiotic "oppozitsia" I hate the mentality of most people there in Armenia. Armos need shock therapy into waking up! Another thing I notice is that a middle class Armo in Yerevan will gladly become a lower class American in los. I personally know some one who had several apartments in Yerevan a normal job and a good family but he constantly complained. Several years ago he sold everything and moved to los and is now driving a taxi and barely making a living BUT HE NEVER COMPLAINS ANYMORE! Like what the hell is wrong with these people LOL

[Suedia]

Re: Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

Now do some of you understand what is meant my psy-ops and psychological warfare?

Sueda, assuming you are Armenian, I think your friends are overstating things by a wide margin, and this is not typical of my experience in recent years nor with people I speak to on a regular basis.

I believe so, they exaggerate when they want to show the situation in Armenia to a point that if it were like that, thousands of people would die daily, which thankfully is not the case. The problem is many of them are brainwashed by opposition media. While I am not against the opposition, nor with it, I believe that what they are doing is wrong. Same goes to the regime, their media shows Armenia as 100% paradise. two very extreme things here.

P.S. togh voch meke kaskac chunena im hay linelu vra. Yes Arevmdahay em, dznadz em Spurki mech, bayc amen amar aycelum em Hayastan u sovorel em nayev Arevelahayeren xosel.

[Suedia]

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I hope what is written here is true:

Sargsyan calls on agencies and experts to be ‘prudent’ when dealing with migration statistics


President Serzh Sargsyan urged experts and government agencies to look deeper into migration processes during a meeting devoted to migration issues in the country, which was attended by prime-minister, head of the police, and other top ranking officials.

As reported by the press office of the president, Sargsyan said he was very closely watching public debates on migration issues and believes that neither experts nor heads of relevant government agencies attempted or did anything to thoroughly explain the situation before trumpeting some figures. He also said all should rely on objective trends in their public remarks

“If we do not pay sufficient attention to the periodically published comments on migration figures and trends, then speculation and surface analysis are moved to the forefront,” President Sargsyan noted.

As a recent example he said that after the publication of latest data on passenger transportation, a phrase "45 thousand people left Armenia in 4 months" has just become a slogan of certain circles. The president said if someone took the trouble to study the dynamics of migration process in a monthly or quarterly term, he or she could easily see that the picture in October and December is different , because 40,000 of those 45,000 who left Armenia are back home

Source: http://armenianow.com/news/31223/arm...igration_issue

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

Four silly little fantasists (Suedia, Serjik, Armanen, Mos). If they were on the Titanic they'd be shouting "what iceberg, I saw no iceberg, it's all a brainwashing plot by a rival shipping company to scare the passengers!". Meanwhile, the ship sinks / the country goes down the plug-hole.

[Armanen]

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Four silly little fantasists (Suedia, Serjik, Armanen, Mos). If they were on the Titanic they'd be shouting "what iceberg, I saw no iceberg, it's all a brainwashing plot by a rival shipping company to scare the passengers!". Meanwhile, the ship sinks / the country goes down the plug-hole.

Worry about your own country that let's an aussie dictate the news. Corruption is rampant in the uk as murdochgate has shown us.