Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

[Mher]

Re: Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

So basically by 2025, armenia will only have like 10,000 people.....

No it's not that dramatic as people like to make it. This exists in every post soviet state. It just looks worst in Armenia, Moldovia and Georgia because thoe countries started with small population. But for example in Azerbaijan, at absolute most the population is at about 6 million. In booming Estonia, the population decline is at catastrophic levels. But the bottom line is population is on the decline in Armenia. The biggest problem is the low birthrate. If the birthrate was modestly above 2.1, moderate annual immigration wouldn't even mean anything. But both problems are caused by the economy. If the economy picks up, people will have every reason to stay, and have more kids. Population had mostly stabilized up to 2008. It was after the economic crisis that immigration became a major issue again. If the economy picks up again, the situation will improve. But at absolute worst, imo I don't think Armenia's population will be below 2 million in 10 years.

[Chubs]

Re: Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

No it's not that dramatic as people like to make it. This exists in every post soviet state. It just looks worst in Armenia, Moldovia and Georgia because thoe countries started with small population. But for example in Azerbaijan, at absolute most the population is at about 6 million. In booming Estonia, the population decline is at catastrophic levels. But the bottom line is population is on the decline in Armenia. The biggest problem is the low birthrate. If the birthrate was modestly above 2.1, moderate annual immigration wouldn't even mean anything. But both problems are caused by the economy. If the economy picks up, people will have every reason to stay, and have more kids. Population had mostly stabilized up to 2008. It was after the economic crisis that immigration became a major issue again. If the economy picks up again, the situation will improve. But at absolute worst, imo I don't think Armenia's population will be below 2 million in 10 years.

Armenia's birthrate has remained positive but below 1 for about 3 years now.

[Ak105]

Re: Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

No it's not that dramatic as people like to make it. This exists in every post soviet state. It just looks worst in Armenia, Moldovia and Georgia because thoe countries started with small population. But for example in Azerbaijan, at absolute most the population is at about 6 million. In booming Estonia, the population decline is at catastrophic levels. But the bottom line is population is on the decline in Armenia. The biggest problem is the low birthrate. If the birthrate was modestly above 2.1, moderate annual immigration wouldn't even mean anything. But both problems are caused by the economy. If the economy picks up, people will have every reason to stay, and have more kids. Population had mostly stabilized up to 2008. It was after the economic crisis that immigration became a major issue again. If the economy picks up again, the situation will improve. But at absolute worst, imo I don't think Armenia's population will be below 2 million in 10 years.

I really hope that the population starts growing. We have literally fought every empire since 3000 bc to keep that little price of land. I don't think it's right to abandon it. I know the economy isn't amazing, be they should at least try to do something.

[Ak105]

Re: Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

Am I the only one that doesn't believe that azerbaijans population is 9 million? They're government is worse than armenias and I highly doubt that the oil money goes to the people. I think you're right mher, the most is probably 6 million.

[Chubs]

Re: Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

Am I the only one that doesn't believe that azerbaijans population is 9 million? They're government is worse than armenias and I highly doubt that the oil money goes to the people. I think you're right mher, the most is probably 6 million.

I believe its at 8-9 million. I rather trust official data provided by the UN than speculation. Azerbaijan is not North Korea, or not completely. They do have a census, and they do provide their information to the UN, along with the UN doing some fact checking and independent stuff. Until I see evidence that says other wise, I will maintain that position. (Strong evidence, proving that millions of people dont exist)

Perhaps its a factor in their culture that provide them a larger population? It seems as if Muslim countries tend to have very high populations, but Azerbaijan seems to be not as Islamic as many other countries. Perhaps its something else..maybe their stable (for now) economy that is providing mothers financial security to have a second child?


The Armenian government has allocated some funds to help mitigate migration, but its a natural thing and corresponds with economic stability.

If things were as bad as they seem (Or like how the opposition makes it out to be)...The UN would have stepped in like in Moldova to help mitigate it. Armenia is actually slightly better off compared to Georgia.

[argin]

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I also agree I think it's better to go Russia cause there's a chance they will come back to Armenia one day again,I personally live in losangeles but hate it here I wouldny encourage anyone to come here either ,people forget their heritage and assimilate by the time

[argin]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

guys don't dilute this thread with other topics. It takes away from the focus of this thread, and kills other threads. There used to be a bunch of active threads and it's just down to this one now.

and imo, I agree with Chubs, i don't think it's gonna make a difference. Even if America announced it would accept every last applicant from Armenia, most people wouldn't be able to just pay the flight cost $5000 for a family of four to move to America. Russia is a better option because they're already familiar with the language and culture, and it's easier to come back if chose to do so. Europe and the US are more appealing for young skilled professional, and even then this doesn't change things much

The sad thing is even if they can't their relatives help with the costs from abroad to get them to come to US,

[Eddo211]

Re: Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

I am sure most go to Russia but the number of Armenian immigrants to US has grown.

[Mher]

Re: Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

Armenia's birthrate has remained positive but below 1 for about 3 years now.

I think you're being too optimistic man, by most accounts Armenia's birthrate is 1.4-1.7
There's no way the population is growing through natural growth. Looking at the population, looking at the people attending political rallies today compared to 25 years ago, it's undeniable how the population has aged. Talking to people there, people just can't afford to have more than 1 kid most of the time. Seeing how cities like Gymuri and Vanadzor have decreased in size. The reason UN data and CIA facts data, and all of that are false is because they're based on government data. This is true for both Armenia and Azerbaijan, but I would say more so for Azerbaijan because everything is more restricted and population decline is not a big talking point. But anyway I hope we had better reliable data. But for the time being, I have a hard time believing the government numbers

Am I the only one that doesn't believe that azerbaijans population is 9 million? They're government is worse than armenias and I highly doubt that the oil money goes to the people. I think you're right mher, the most is probably 6 million.

There's a lot of reasons I'm certain Azerbaijan's population is way below 9 or 10 million.
The population of Azerbaijan at independence (minus Armenians) was only 6.6 million with 5.8 million ethnic Azeris (Soviet Census-1989)

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdemoscope.ru%2Fweekly%2Fssp%2Fsng_nac_89.php%3Freg%3D7&sandbox=1

Despite the evidence to the contrary, the government of Azerbaijan claimed that by 2000 this population had increased to 8 million. Meanwhile population across the former soviet union was decreasing. Azerbaijan hadn't received a cent of oil revenue yet, it's economy was in pieces,it had just lost a war, and it had a major refugee problem

http://www.azerbaijantoday.az/ARCHIVE/01/life8.html

"In January 2000, Azerbaijan had an official population of 8,016,000, although this figure could actually be less than 5 million."

That along with the discrepancies in current government data, seems to confirm that the current population is just bs

http://www.panorama.am/en/region/2013/12/17/azerbaijan-demography/

I mean, it just doesn't make any logical sense that a country whose population was 6.6 million 25 years ago, has in fact had a population growth of 30-50%, while the rest of the Soviet union has had massive decline. And we haven't even discussed the fact that up to 1 million the 6 million are minorities, including the salafis. In fact, if there is any population growth is in the backward salafi parts of the country, where the people are of greater danger to Azerbaijan than to Armenia.

[londontsi]

Re: Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

Armenia's birthrate has remained positive but below 1 for about 3 years now.

2.2 means there is no population growth.

Birthrate below 2.2 is considered negative growth.

Birthrate below 1 is considered an unrecoverable situation.

It can only be remedied by government action, like social programs, housing etc.

To my mind 1 bedroom flats should be illegal, since people rarely are able to upgrade to 2 or 3 bedroom apartments.

People cannot have large families in 1 bed apartments.

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