Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

Blaming the economy for the lack of natural reproduction is inaccurate. As a matter of fact a strong economy leads to lower birth rates. A interesting study done in Sweeden points in the right direction when it comes to raising birthrates. The secret to raising the birthrate is providing equality to women so that having a child is not as much of a burden. The study found that birth rates went up as more women were presented with better and cheaper options for daycare, and more stability at work where they would not be risking their career by having a baby. By implementing such basic social changes Sweeden has managed to significantly raise its natural reproduction rate. The issues of emigration and immigration are separate issues.

[Tsov]

Re: Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

Blaming the economy for the lack of natural reproduction is inaccurate. As a matter of fact a strong economy leads to lower birth rates. A interesting study done in Sweeden points in the right direction when it comes to raising birthrates. The secret to raising the birthrate is providing equality to women so that having a child is not as much of a burden. The study found that birth rates went up as more women were presented with better and cheaper options for daycare, and more stability at work where they would not be risking their career by having a baby. By implementing such basic social changes Sweeden has managed to significantly raise its natural reproduction rate. The issues of emigration and immigration are separate issues.

It's not strong economy but high level of education that lowers birthrates. Armenia's population is generally educated but coupled with bad economy this leads to low birthrates.

I also agree with the study. If there were more families, even in Armenia, where both the mother as the father has a job. These families would be able to raise more children, but also think there is a problem of there not being enough jobs in Armenia.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

The economy does effect birthrates Tsov. People in less developed economies see their children (especially males) as their security into old age and therefore have many children to ensure their own security. In more developed economies where there is a pension plan or social security or simply more wealth, this concern is less of an issue thus the demand for children is much diminished. Having children is very much an economic issue.

[Ak105]

Re: Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

I think you're being too optimistic man, by most accounts Armenia's birthrate is 1.4-1.7
There's no way the population is growing through natural growth. Looking at the population, looking at the people attending political rallies today compared to 25 years ago, it's undeniable how the population has aged. Talking to people there, people just can't afford to have more than 1 kid most of the time. Seeing how cities like Gymuri and Vanadzor have decreased in size. The reason UN data and CIA facts data, and all of that are false is because they're based on government data. This is true for both Armenia and Azerbaijan, but I would say more so for Azerbaijan because everything is more restricted and population decline is not a big talking point. But anyway I hope we had better reliable data. But for the time being, I have a hard time believing the government numbers


There's a lot of reasons I'm certain Azerbaijan's population is way below 9 or 10 million.
The population of Azerbaijan at independence (minus Armenians) was only 6.6 million with 5.8 million ethnic Azeris (Soviet Census-1989)

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdemoscope.ru%2Fweekly%2Fssp%2Fsng_nac_89.php%3Freg%3D7&sandbox=1

Despite the evidence to the contrary, the government of Azerbaijan claimed that by 2000 this population had increased to 8 million. Meanwhile population across the former soviet union was decreasing. Azerbaijan hadn't received a cent of oil revenue yet, it's economy was in pieces,it had just lost a war, and it had a major refugee problem

http://www.azerbaijantoday.az/ARCHIVE/01/life8.html

"In January 2000, Azerbaijan had an official population of 8,016,000, although this figure could actually be less than 5 million."

That along with the discrepancies in current government data, seems to confirm that the current population is just bs

http://www.panorama.am/en/region/2013/12/17/azerbaijan-demography/

I mean, it just doesn't make any logical sense that a country whose population was 6.6 million 25 years ago, has in fact had a population growth of 30-50%, while the rest of the Soviet union has had massive decline. And we haven't even discussed the fact that up to 1 million the 6 million are minorities, including the salafis. In fact, if there is any population growth is in the backward salafi parts of the country, where the people are of greater danger to Azerbaijan than to Armenia.

Exactly. And I did notice something


Armenias population:3 million
military size: 46,000


Azerbaijans population (supposedly): 9 million
military size:66,000

If you compare the population, the military manpower should have a very large difference.

[Chubs]

Re: Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

Blaming the economy for the lack of natural reproduction is inaccurate. As a matter of fact a strong economy leads to lower birth rates. A interesting study done in Sweeden points in the right direction when it comes to raising birthrates. The secret to raising the birthrate is providing equality to women so that having a child is not as much of a burden. The study found that birth rates went up as more women were presented with better and cheaper options for daycare, and more stability at work where they would not be risking their career by having a baby. By implementing such basic social changes Sweeden has managed to significantly raise its natural reproduction rate. The issues of emigration and immigration are separate issues.

Lol, no Haykakan. They increased gender equality, and lowered any pay gap that could possibly exist, in order to increase financial security for women. Feeling equal is not gonna make you want to have another child. They increased financial security through lowering pay gaps, providing benefits, and gender equality which made having children less of a burden on women's jobs and careers. It has everything to do with the economy and society. Having a stable economy will raise birthrates as long as women can benefit from that stable economy,

[Chubs]

Re: Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

I think you're being too optimistic man, by most accounts Armenia's birthrate is 1.4-1.7
There's no way the population is growing through natural growth. Looking at the population, looking at the people attending political rallies today compared to 25 years ago, it's undeniable how the population has aged. Talking to people there, people just can't afford to have more than 1 kid most of the time. Seeing how cities like Gymuri and Vanadzor have decreased in size. The reason UN data and CIA facts data, and all of that are false is because they're based on government data. This is true for both Armenia and Azerbaijan, but I would say more so for Azerbaijan because everything is more restricted and population decline is not a big talking point. But anyway I hope we had better reliable data. But for the time being, I have a hard time believing the government numbers


There's a lot of reasons I'm certain Azerbaijan's population is way below 9 or 10 million.
The population of Azerbaijan at independence (minus Armenians) was only 6.6 million with 5.8 million ethnic Azeris (Soviet Census-1989)

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdemoscope.ru%2Fweekly%2Fssp%2Fsng_nac_89.php%3Freg%3D7&sandbox=1

Despite the evidence to the contrary, the government of Azerbaijan claimed that by 2000 this population had increased to 8 million. Meanwhile population across the former soviet union was decreasing. Azerbaijan hadn't received a cent of oil revenue yet, it's economy was in pieces,it had just lost a war, and it had a major refugee problem

http://www.azerbaijantoday.az/ARCHIVE/01/life8.html

"In January 2000, Azerbaijan had an official population of 8,016,000, although this figure could actually be less than 5 million."

That along with the discrepancies in current government data, seems to confirm that the current population is just bs

http://www.panorama.am/en/region/2013/12/17/azerbaijan-demography/

I mean, it just doesn't make any logical sense that a country whose population was 6.6 million 25 years ago, has in fact had a population growth of 30-50%, while the rest of the Soviet union has had massive decline. And we haven't even discussed the fact that up to 1 million the 6 million are minorities, including the salafis. In fact, if there is any population growth is in the backward salafi parts of the country, where the people are of greater danger to Azerbaijan than to Armenia.

I mistook birthrate for growth rate, thats not being optimistic thats the opposite lol. Growth rate is 0.2. Country is literally not growing.

[Federate]

Re: Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

Sweden fertility rate is only 1.88 Haykakan and bear in mind that Sweden even has a large immigrant population and they're mostly Middle Eastern.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_fertility_rate

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

Lol, no Haykakan. They increased gender equality, and lowered any pay gap that could possibly exist, in order to increase financial security for women. Feeling equal is not gonna make you want to have another child. They increased financial security through lowering pay gaps, providing benefits, and gender equality which made having children less of a burden on women's jobs and careers. It has everything to do with the economy and society. Having a stable economy will raise birthrates as long as women can benefit from that stable economy,

How is what you said different then what I said?
Fed the point was there is a way to increase natural reproduction rates and that way was giving women equal access to careers and opportunities without hindering motherhood. This was done by mking good childcare affordable and available also removing any penalties for being a mom like losing your job because you took too much time off to care for your baby etc..

[Eddo211]

Re: Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

When I was in Australia I found out that the government gives incentives (5000 cash) for having kids and if the woman can't work they pay her until the kids are over 16. All medical covered.


How did China become so populated?

[Ak105]

Re: Armenian Migration (Artagaxt)

When I was in Australia I found out that the government gives incentives (5000 cash) for having kids and if the woman can't work they pay her until the kids are over 16. All medical covered.


How did China become so populated?

You lived in Australia?