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  • #1791
    Re: Regional geopolitics

    Further tension is putting it mildly, this just may be irreparable. Armenia's true worth, value and significance for the Russian Federation has just exploded. In fact, this itself may have put to rest forever any talk of "returning territories" with regards to the Caspian-bordering Turks, smacking the Russians to their senses as far as who they're dealing with when it comes to Turks.

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    Russian President Vladimir Putin said the downing of the Russian plane would have "serious consequences for Russia's relationship with Turkey."

    The shooting down of the plane, Putin said, "represents a stab in the back by the terrorists' accomplices. I can't describe what has happened today in any other way. Our plane was downed over Syrian territory by an air-to-air missile from a Turkish F-16 jet.

    "The plane fell on Syrian territory 4 kilometers (2.5 miles) away from the Turkish border. It was flying 1 kilometer away from the Turkish border when it was attacked. In any case, neither our pilots nor our jet posed any threat to Turkey. That is obvious. They were carrying out an operation fighting against ISIL in Northern Latakia." (ISIL is another acronym for ISIS.)

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    Turkey's ambassador to the United States, Serdar Kilic, was equally aggressive in his comments, tweeting: "Understand this: Turkey is a country whose warnings should be taken seriously and listened to. Don't test Turkey's patience. Try to win its friendship."

    Source: CNN 11/24/15

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    • #1792
      Re: Regional geopolitics

      Adding insult to injury... This is going to have serious repercussions. I'm thinking Kurds are going to be involved.
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      Turkmen forces in Syria shot dead pilots of downed Russian jet - deputy commander


      Turkmen forces in Syria shot dead the two pilots of a Russian jet downed by Turkish warplanes near the border with Turkey on Tuesday as they descended with parachutes, a deputy commander of a Turkmen brigade told reporters.

      "Both of the pilots were retrieved dead. Our comrades opened fire into the air and they died in the air," Alpaslan Celik, a deputy commander in a Syrian Turkmen brigade said near the Syrian village of Yamadi as he held what he said was a piece of a pilot's parachute.


      (Reporting by Mehmet Emin Caliskan; Writing by Humeyra Pamuk and Daren Butler; Editing by Nick Tattersall)

      reuters.com
      http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/11/24/uk-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-shooting-idUKKBN0TD1TM20151124

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      • #1793
        Re: Regional geopolitics

        Originally posted by Artsakh View Post
        Adding insult to injury... This is going to have serious repercussions. I'm thinking Kurds are going to be involved.
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        Turkmen forces in Syria shot dead pilots of downed Russian jet - deputy commander


        Turkmen forces in Syria shot dead the two pilots of a Russian jet downed by Turkish warplanes near the border with Turkey on Tuesday as they descended with parachutes, a deputy commander of a Turkmen brigade told reporters.

        "Both of the pilots were retrieved dead. Our comrades opened fire into the air and they died in the air," Alpaslan Celik, a deputy commander in a Syrian Turkmen brigade said near the Syrian village of Yamadi as he held what he said was a piece of a pilot's parachute.


        (Reporting by Mehmet Emin Caliskan; Writing by Humeyra Pamuk and Daren Butler; Editing by Nick Tattersall)

        http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/1...0TD1TM20151124
        the ypg and pkk are about to get some very advanced weapons

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        • #1794
          Re: Regional geopolitics

          Russia's Lavrov cancels Turkey trip after jet downing


          Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Nov. 24 he would not visit Turkey as planned on Nov. 25 following Turkey's downing of a Russian fighter jet, the Hurriyet Daily News reports.

          "The president clearly stated that this could not but affect Russian-Turkish relations. In this context, it was decided to cancel the meeting between Russia's and Turkey's ministers of foreign affairs, which was planned for tomorrow [November 25] in Istanbul," Sergei Lavrov said.

          Lavrov also advised Russians not to visit Turkey and said the threat of terrorism there was the no less than in Egypt, where a bomb attack brought down a Russian passenger plane last month.

          "We need to underline the fact that terrorist threats are growing in Turkey," he added.

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          • #1795
            Re: Regional geopolitics

            Turkey downing of Russia jet 'stab in the back' - Putin
            BBC

            Russian President Vladimir Putin has bitterly condemned the downing of a Russian jet on the Turkey-Syria border.
            He described it as a "stab in the back" committed by "accomplices of terrorists".
            Turkey says its jets shot at the plane after warning that it was violating Turkish airspace. But Moscow says it never strayed from Syrian airspace.
            Nato is holding an extraordinary meeting to discuss the incident at Turkey's request.

            Mr Putin warned there would be "serious consequences" for Moscow's relations with Turkey.
            Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has said he was cancelling his visit to Turkey, where he was due on Wednesday, over the incident.
            He also advised Russians not to visit Turkey and said the threat of terrorism there was no less than in Egypt, where a bomb attack brought down a Russian passenger plane last month.


            Mr Putin said the Su-24 was hit by an air-to-air missile fired by a Turkish F-16 while it was flying over Syrian territory.
            He said the plane had been attacked "at a height of 6,000 metres (20,000ft), 1km from the border".
            It crashed into Syrian territory 4km from the border, he added.
            It flew over a small piece of Turkey that projects into Syria that would have taken the jet only a few moments to fly over, correspondents say.
            Analysis: Sarah Rainsford, BBC Moscow correspondent
            This was tough language from an icy-looking President Putin. Much of his comments were for domestic consumption. After all, he launched air strikes in Syria arguing that it would make Russia safer; instead, 224 people were blown out of the sky last month in a bomb attack - and now this.
            By rounding on Turkey, he is in part deflecting any suggestion that his own policy has backfired. But he is clearly furious too and it's not clear yet how that will translate into action.
            On state TV, there have been calls for a "tough response"; there's talk of economic sanctions - and the foreign ministry has issued a travel warning, proclaiming Turkey as dangerous as Egypt following the terror attack on tourists there.
            Since then, and the Paris attacks, there had been hints of a rapprochement between Russia and the West - uniting against a common threat. Ideally, Russia won't want to scupper that, but this latest incident presents a huge challenge.
            The two crew members ejected as their burning aircraft plunged into a Syrian hillside.
            Video footage has shown what appears to be the dead body of one of the flyers, surrounded by armed rebels.
            Another piece of video, obtained by a Turkish news network, has shown the pilots being shot at from the ground by unidentified rebels.
            Map of Russian warplane flight path
            "In any case, our pilots, planes did not threaten Turkish territory in any way. It is quite clear," Mr Putin said.
            "They were carrying out an operation against Isis [Islamic State] in the mountains of northern Latakia, where militants are focused - who mostly originate from the territory of Russia.
            "So they were carrying the key task of preventative attacks against those who could return to Russia at any time. These are people who must be directly qualified as international terrorists."
            Turkish military officials said the plane was engaged after being warned that it was violating Turkish airspace.
            It is the first time a Russian aircraft has crashed in Syria since Moscow launched air strikes against militants fighting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in late September.
            The Nato military alliance, to which Turkey belongs, said it was following the situation "closely" and was in contact with the Turkish authorities.
            A Sukhoi Su-24 fighter jet taxis on the tarmac at the Humaymim air base near Latakia, Syria (11 November 2015)Image copyrightReuters
            Image caption
            Russian Su-24 aircraft based in Latakia province have flown hundreds of sorties over Syria
            The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the jet had crashed in the mountainous Jabal Turkmen area of Latakia, where air strikes and fighting between rebels and Syrian government forces had been reported earlier on Tuesday.
            Russian military helicopters searched for the pilot and navigator near the crash site in the predominantly Turkmen Bayir Bucak area, Turkey's Dogan news agency reported.
            A spokesman for a rebel group operating in the area, the 10th Brigade of the Coast, told the Associated Press that the jet's crew had tried to parachute into government-held territory, but that they came under fire from members of the group.
            One of them was dead when he landed on the ground, he added. The fate of the second was not immediately known.
            Turkey, a vehement opponent of Syria's president, has warned against violations of its airspace by Russian and Syrian aircraft.

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            • #1796
              Re: Regional geopolitics

              This was definitely a home run for us, should put azerbaijan in a weird position going forward.

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              • #1797
                Re: Regional geopolitics

                I can't wait for the Russian retaliation!
                Hayastan or Bust.

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                • #1798
                  Re: Regional geopolitics

                  DOWNING OF RUSSIAN PLANE ON TURKEY-SYRIA BORDER TO MEET ADEQUATE REACTION - ANALYST

                  15:50 â~@¢ 24.11.15
                  Downing of Russian plane on Turkey-Syria border to meet adequate reaction - analyst
                  http://www.tert.am/en/news/2015/11/24/svyatenkov/1854000
                  "If Russia does not react to this act by Turkey, that country will practically have the de facto freedom to follow Russian planes. This is a serious conflict ...


                  Turkey's move to shoot down the Russian Su-124 plane on the Syrian
                  borer border will not go unpunished, a Russian political analyst has
                  said, promising an adequate retaliatory action on the country's part.

                  Speaking to Tert.am, Pavel Svyatenkov described the incident as an
                  act tantamount to throwing down a gauntlet to the country. "If Russia
                  does not react to this act by Turkey, that country will practically
                  have the de facto freedom to follow Russian planes. This is a serious
                  conflict, and the situation is very complicated, because it is a war
                  operation and an act of aggression against Russia."

                  But the expert said he doubts as to the specific steps to be taken,
                  noting that the incident's timing coincided with Russian President
                  Vladimir Putin's visit to the Iran.

                  Asked why Turkey chose to strike the Russian aircraft, Svyatenkov said
                  he thinks that the country in that way demonstrated its disagreement
                  to Mr Putin's support to President Bashar al-Assad of Syria. "For
                  Turkey, it was, as a matter of fact, a surprise that Russia backs Assad
                  instead of fighting him. So Turkey should have naturally expressed its
                  disagreement to the Russian policy. But it crossed all the boundaries,
                  exacerbating the situation," he added.
                  Hayastan or Bust.

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                  • #1799
                    Re: Regional geopolitics

                    Originally posted by Shant03 View Post
                    This was definitely a home run for us, should put azerbaijan in a weird position going forward.
                    Home run? The Turks are escalating this situation to the point where Armenia might become a warzone and you think it is a homerun? Time to bolster defenses and bunker in. The sands are about to shift.

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                    • #1800
                      Re: Regional geopolitics

                      We must show Armenias solidarity is with Russia in this times of need ,if rightfully we had those lands none of the current problems would emerge .
                      The criminal acts 100 years past must be fixed or they will be given to our children for all the next generations.

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