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  • Re: Regional geopolitics

    Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post
    By principle, any molutiun is not a sound sentiment.
    ..
    yes but it's a problem with 95% of Armenians who have no confidence in themselves or their leaders -- and foreign countries know this

    independent Armenia in 1918-21 depended on foreign powers, (mainly the British); Cilicia in 1920, on the French. When these foreigners ended their support, Armenians were finished

    1 million Armenian demonstrators in 1988 because Zori Balayan told everyone that Gorbachev was on their side..

    there is no hayamolutiun in the world because Armenia has nothing to offer to anyone!

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    • Re: Regional geopolitics

      Originally posted by lampron View Post
      yes but it's a problem with 95% of Armenians who have no confidence in themselves or their leaders -- and foreign countries know this

      independent Armenia in 1918-21 depended on foreign powers, (mainly the British); Cilicia in 1920, on the French. When these foreigners ended their support, Armenians were finished

      1 million Armenian demonstrators in 1988 because Zori Balayan told everyone that Gorbachev was on their side..

      there is no hayamolutiun in the world because Armenia has nothing to offer to anyone!
      Can't speak my language, so don't know about "molutian".

      ---- I address this ---
      ------- because Armenia has nothing to offer anyone -----

      I saw a man on the ground one time.
      He was hurt.
      I stretched my hand to help him off the ground.
      He didn't have anything to offer me.
      I helped him because he needed help.
      Not because I thought he had something to offer me.
      Artashes
      HARK

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      • Re: Regional geopolitics

        Originally posted by lampron View Post
        here is a question:

        why is there no "Hayamolutiun" among foreigners?
        Genocide and results of ongoing Turkish policies against Armenians....its turning around for Armenians and turning into a nightmare for Turkish gov.
        B0zkurt Hunter

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        • Re: Regional geopolitics

          Hey look i found someone who is more delusional about the power of the Armenian lobby then the Armenian lobby itself.


          BAKU ACCUSES ARMENIAN LOBBY OF INFLUENCING GEORGIAN POLICIES

          January 29, 2014 - 18:38 AMT

          PanARMENIAN.Net - The so-called Karabakh Liberation Organization
          (KLO), for want of a better justification of its existence, issued an
          open letter to Georgian President Giorgi Margvelashvili. The letter,
          predictably enough, focused on Armenians, or rather the dominance of
          Armenian lobby in Georgia's social and political life.

          The authors of the statement urge the government of Georgia to pick
          a side, stressing that the Georgian Azeris' problems remain neglected.

          "The majority of local authorities are under the influence of the
          Armenian lobby, with Azeri settlements being renamed to carry Georgian
          names," the statement said. The observation is a questionable one,
          to say the least: if the tales of Armenian influence were true, it
          would only be logical for the settlements to carry Armenian names,
          rather than Georgian ones. Yet, according to KLO, this is just the
          start: later, Georgian names will be changed into Armenian ones.

          The letter goes on to describe "anti-Azeri policies of Armenian
          nationalists, with the Armenian lobby determining Azeri-related
          policies of the government of Georgia."

          By the way, accusing states of being under the influence of Armenian
          lobby is disrespectful to the formers. And, as Azerbaijan believes,
          there are many of them: Russia, U.S., France Germany, with Georgia
          added to the list.

          KLO further lists all the plans of the Georgian government including
          opening of a market at the village of Teqali, construction of yet
          another road to Armenia, "incorrect" location of he Armenian-Georgian
          border. The message, however, stresses the authors' "reluctance
          to interfere with Georgia's internal affairs, yet unable to stay
          indifferent in the face of the Azerbaijanis' problems." The letter goes
          on to assure Georgians of Azeri friendship in defiance of Russia's
          aggressive stance. However, the authors stress, the friendship is
          now threatened over the pro-Armenian policies of Tbilisi.

          This, and many other statements, might well be quoted among the
          most ineffective methods of expressing one's stance. However, seems
          like Baku can't do better. One wonders, who, beside the authors and
          journalists, would read such statements.

          Moreover, the President of Georgia is well capable of picking his own
          course, with Armenians having no intention to dictate his actions,
          as opposed to Azeris. Baku should also keep in mind that currently
          Margvelashvili is busy starting a dialogue with Russia, so mentioning
          Moscow in this context was rather incorrect as far as Georgia, Russia,
          and Azerbaijan, as well, are concerned.

          Karine Ter-Sahakian/ PanARMENIAN.Net

          http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/175332/
          Hayastan or Bust.

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          • Re: Regional geopolitics

            Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
            Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
            Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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            • Re: Regional geopolitics

              09:57 01/02/2014 COMMENTS
              ‘Ukrainian opposition is morally and politically bankrupt’

              The Ukrainian opposition's aim is to take over the government, but after that they have no idea what to do and their effort will lead to failure, Nebosja Malic from the R. Archibald Reiss Institute for Serbian Studies told RT.

              RT: The opposition wants everyone freed unconditionally. Why should rioters who injured or even killed policemen be released, when these actions typically land you in prison for decades? Is it realistic?

              Nebosja Malic: The opposition keeps moving the goal posts. Obviously they want the government to unconditionally surrender on all of their demands whatever those demands might be. Today they are requesting one thing, two days before they were demanding something else and the week before something else altogether. If they are given this by the parliament they will demand even more.

              They’ve made it obvious that only unconditional surrender will do. Releasing these people would send a dangerous message to everybody in Ukraine that you can get away with murder literally if you happen to lend in power. And you get there by blackmailing the government, by occupying the town squares, by resorting to violence. This is not going to end well if these demands are appeased. Appeasement usually doesn’t end well anyway.

              RT: President Yanukovich has shown he's willing to negotiate and compromise. Why isn't the opposition making similar efforts to try and end the violence?

              NM: They are like a dog chasing cars. They have no idea what to do when they catch it. Their whole gambit is to take over the government. Short of taking over the government their effort will be a failure. They need to capture the government to be successful. So this is the marching orders they were given by people financing them. Anything short of dismantling the government and hanging it over to them would be a failure; this is why they just cannot compromise even if they wanted to.

              The offer to Yatsenyuk to take over the prime ministership the other day, I thought at first it was just a sign of weakness, but it might be a brilliant gambit to expose the bankruptcy of the opposition because here take exactly what you demand and see what the response is. If the response is “no – we want even more.” So they have declared themselves completely morally and politically bankrupt and yet the government tries to appease them, which is further definite sign of weakness.

              RT: The EU Commission chief said he wants to see a political solution in Ukraine, US Secretary of State John Kerry said the same in a phone call with the opposition. Do you think the West will try to push the opposition towards dialogue now?

              NM: I sincerely doubt it. The European Union wants to see a client regime in Kiev. I think they want to see a government that would obey them in every respect like what they have in Serbia currently. I think that’s the ultimate goal and if opposition coalition is willing enable to get into power using any means necessarily and making any demands it sees fit, and the government is weak enough to let them, then I don’t see why the European Union would essentially stop them. They want this to happen, they want these people to take over the government.

              RT: The EU and the US have hailed Viktor Yanukovich's concessions as a sign of progress. Why are they basically praising the president's efforts all of a sudden?

              NM: Because he is capitulating. I think the perception is “OK, we will praise you when you surrender, we will criticize you when you fight, so sooner or later you’ll be conditioned to surrender on demand.” I think they’ll be happiest with Yanukovich if he resigns tomorrow and hands Ukraine over to Klitschko, Yatsenyuk and Tyagnibok, which if they will then run things into the ground is completely immaterial to these foreign backers.

              I don’t think trying to appease the protesters and trying to get into good graces of the EU and the US by essentially self-destructing the country is a good strategy for any politician, but I would really like to point to Serbia as an example of what not to do, for everybody in the world, including Ukraine.
              Source: Panorama. Am

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              • Re: Regional geopolitics

                Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
                Genocide and results of ongoing Turkish policies against Armenians....its turning around for Armenians and turning into a nightmare for Turkish gov.
                what about before genocide?

                Foreign visitors to Armenian lands (British, French, Russian) in the 19th century (and before), observed that Armenians were not a fighting race

                They said Armenians were good traders in the bazaar

                In the 18th century famous Iranian-Indian Armenian Joseph Emin travelled through Anatolia and Caucasus and found most Armenian churchmen and merchants not interested in rebellion or independence

                Before genocide maybe 200 Armenian guerillas out of Ottoman Armenian population of 2 million

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                • Re: Regional geopolitics

                  Originally posted by lampron View Post
                  ....

                  Before genocide maybe 200 Armenian guerillas out of Ottoman Armenian population of 2 million

                  Son of the cat, you keep coming up with some stupid statements ever.

                  No doubt due to your ignorance of Armenian history or the Armenian revolutionary movement of the time.

                  .
                  Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                  Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                  Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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                  • Re: Regional geopolitics

                    Originally posted by lampron View Post
                    what about before genocide?

                    Foreign visitors to Armenian lands (British, French, Russian) in the 19th century (and before), observed that Armenians were not a fighting race

                    They said Armenians were good traders in the bazaar

                    In the 18th century famous Iranian-Indian Armenian Joseph Emin travelled through Anatolia and Caucasus and found most Armenian churchmen and merchants not interested in rebellion or independence

                    Before genocide maybe 200 Armenian guerillas out of Ottoman Armenian population of 2 million
                    Best fighters sportsmen in Ottoman Empire were the Armenians.....you forget Hamidian massacres and how many Armenian warrior bloodlines were cut down in centuries before.
                    Regardless, those Armenians who ran Ottoman's economy ended up in one form or another with the help of your 200 Fedayees stopping the mighty Turkish army from reaching its allies to the east thus contributing greatly to the Turkish loss of WWI.....but the Europeans gave it back to you so don't complain.
                    B0zkurt Hunter

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                    • Re: Regional geopolitics

                      Originally posted by lampron View Post
                      what about before genocide?

                      Foreign visitors to Armenian lands (British, French, Russian) in the 19th century (and before), observed that Armenians were not a fighting race

                      They said Armenians were good traders in the bazaar

                      In the 18th century famous Iranian-Indian Armenian Joseph Emin travelled through Anatolia and Caucasus and found most Armenian churchmen and merchants not interested in rebellion or independence

                      Before genocide maybe 200 Armenian guerillas out of Ottoman Armenian population of 2 million
                      Before genocide there were regiments of Armenian volunteers fighting against Turks in Russian, Bulgarian, Greek, Rumanian armies as well as thousands of guerrillas, known as fedayeen in mountains of western Armenia. Our national hero, general Andranik, got his general rank in Bulgarian army, where he rose from rank of commanding Armenian regiment to commanding Bulgarian army regiments as we'll and brought several victories. He is awarded a status of Bulgarian national hero. Western observers were and are as stupid as Azeri sheep(our sheep are much smarter). What they failed, or chose not to see was the ottoman laws of that time that forbade any Christian to ride a horse In Eastern turkey. Any Christian owning a weapon was put to jail. Christian in those areas meant Armenians. In Turkish courts testimony and any claims of any Armenian was deemed invalid by law. I would not want to offend anyone, but anybody believing those idiocies by westerners is very naive. In 1918 the Armenian volunteer of, I think, 3-4000 genocide survivors brigade fighting in British army, decimated the Turkish army of over 22000, in battle of Nablus Palestine. This heroic history Brits will never recognize in order not to upset their Turkish buddies will they?
                      Last edited by Hakob; 02-01-2014, 06:02 PM.

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