Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian policy)

[Mos]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

These CIA douches wont rule armenia again. Even if by some magical power they would, they'll be taken care of like in 1999. Armenia is not Georgia.

I wouldn't say CIA ever ruled Armenia. Even during Levon, Armenia was a under the Russian sphere, just not as much as under Kocharyan/Sargsyan.

[Mos]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

That's not the way forward. Those things are logical into state-building, and are happening now. The process of evolution in Armenia has been continuing on a steady pace, and Armenia is by far the most stable and democratic country with the largest opposition in the Caucasus. Taxes, governance, legal system, fight against corruption are being tackled.

The point is that easily more than half of the media in Armenia are sponsored by foreign countries, and their aim is to find everything that is a bit negative related to Armenia and the Armenian state, and exploit it to raise the pessimism and negativism in Armenia. Besides this, their aim is also to destroy everything that had a good reputation in Armenia, for example the Armenian army. The propaganda negative anti-Armenian pessimist waged against Armenians is immense, and a lot of Armenians contribute in this without their own knowledge.

They are being brainwashed into believing that Armenia can skip evolution, if Armenia cut's ties with Russia and orientate itself towards the West, Armenia will be a paradise within two days, and that the West will always help Armenia, economically, politically and military. It's a big lie, which the masses easily believe, as the propaganda has been going on for a decade now. This is one of the biggest dangers facing our country today.

Today, the biased media and NGO's have free play, they can do whatever they want. There aren't any other media or institutions to counter their propaganda and to counter the pessimistic flow of information to demoralize Armenians. They know Armenians are emotional and are not nationalistic, thus they can easily attack our whole army, with almost no resistence from the Armenian society, for they know, we are not Turks, and we will happily aid into destroying our own-country.

Today, most Armenians would happily contribute into the negative stream of information and pessimism, would rather talk bad about our country, than to say something good. This is the point we have reached. Collective destructionism.

The Turks, when Turkey was still a dictatorial desert, came to Europe, and never complained and said anything bad about their country. They did not assimilate, used Europe, and sent all their money to Turkey, built houses, made investments (even though there was MASSIVE corruption), and see what Turkey has become now. Armenians coming to Europe, hate Armenia, tell everyone how bad our country is, tell other Armenians especially not to go to Armenia, never to try anything in Armenia, and to spread the word to the whole world that Armenia sucks, is corrupt, etc.

And to their children growing up, they cut off their hopes, and also raise them into anti-Armenian Armenians, even though most Armenians have not been in Armenia, 90% of the youth hates it, without seeing it, because Armenians like to be negative and pessimist, and don't understand they actually destroy our future with this. All this also has to do with the massive, massive anti-Armenian propaganda of today. Hell, have you ever been on a table with Armenians in general? The only thing they are doing is trying to find everything that is a bit negative about Armenia and say how sh*t Armenia is, so they can feel good and justify why they are not living in Armenia and instead are living in a foreign country, and why their children are married to foreigners and have assimilated.

The little part of Armenia that is remaning today, is because of the extremely small minority of Armenians who did care about their country.

If we don't turn collective destructionism (xxxx Armenia, it's a sh*t country, corrupt, let's leave and spread the word how bad it is) into collective state-building (indeed, there are many problems in Armenia, but it's a new republic, it's our country and the little part that is left to Armenians, and it needs evolution, let's help to fight the corruption, let's help in the state-building, let's invest Armenia, how hard it may be, so we can create an Armenia all Armenians dream of), the future of Armenia will look very grim.

You make some good points. I think there is this habit of always saying how bad Armenia is and highlighting all its flaws, maybe it's a bit of a cultural thing, but we should, especially in foreign lands, emphasis the good points of our country not always degrade it. We need better image control of our country within our own people. Georgia had revolution, we have evolution. Indeed, under Sargsyan things have been improving, better governance, less corruption, more education and diaspora programs. It's going to right direction. In my view, government has to work on the demographic situation as well, which mean passing laws regarding abortion.

The Turks are much more valuable to Europe than us. They are much more valuable to any power, let's not fool ourselves. If the choice is between us and Turkey, it will be Turkey, because you can get more out of them then us.

[Serjik]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

Bro, this is the MOST powerful thing I saw anybody say. It makes total sense to me. I am tired of the constant badmouthing and the nasty gossip about Armenia, its as if its the worst place on earth but its not as you and I know it. I know people who dont even want to visit Armenia because they hear how bad it is there and these people go to Mexico because its so much safer than in Armenia LOL I am also tired of too much American style bullxxxx and English in Armenia. Armos need to concentrate on Russia, Iran and the Europe.

That's not the way forward. Those things are logical into state-building, and are happening now. The process of evolution in Armenia has been continuing on a steady pace, and Armenia is by far the most stable and democratic country with the largest opposition in the Caucasus. Taxes, governance, legal system, fight against corruption are being tackled.

The point is that easily more than half of the media in Armenia are sponsored by foreign countries, and their aim is to find everything that is a bit negative related to Armenia and the Armenian state, and exploit it to raise the pessimism and negativism in Armenia. Besides this, their aim is also to destroy everything that had a good reputation in Armenia, for example the Armenian army. The propaganda negative anti-Armenian pessimist waged against Armenians is immense, and a lot of Armenians contribute in this without their own knowledge.

They are being brainwashed into believing that Armenia can skip evolution, if Armenia cut's ties with Russia and orientate itself towards the West, Armenia will be a paradise within two days, and that the West will always help Armenia, economically, politically and military. It's a big lie, which the masses easily believe, as the propaganda has been going on for a decade now. This is one of the biggest dangers facing our country today.

Today, the biased media and NGO's have free play, they can do whatever they want. There aren't any other media or institutions to counter their propaganda and to counter the pessimistic flow of information to demoralize Armenians. They know Armenians are emotional and are not nationalistic, thus they can easily attack our whole army, with almost no resistence from the Armenian society, for they know, we are not Turks, and we will happily aid into destroying our own-country.

Today, most Armenians would happily contribute into the negative stream of information and pessimism, would rather talk bad about our country, than to say something good. This is the point we have reached. Collective destructionism.

The Turks, when Turkey was still a dictatorial desert, came to Europe, and never complained and said anything bad about their country. They did not assimilate, used Europe, and sent all their money to Turkey, built houses, made investments (even though there was MASSIVE corruption), and see what Turkey has become now. Armenians coming to Europe, hate Armenia, tell everyone how bad our country is, tell other Armenians especially not to go to Armenia, never to try anything in Armenia, and to spread the word to the whole world that Armenia sucks, is corrupt, etc.

And to their children growing up, they cut off their hopes, and also raise them into anti-Armenian Armenians, even though most Armenians have not been in Armenia, 90% of the youth hates it, without seeing it, because Armenians like to be negative and pessimist, and don't understand they actually destroy our future with this. All this also has to do with the massive, massive anti-Armenian propaganda of today. Hell, have you ever been on a table with Armenians in general? The only thing they are doing is trying to find everything that is a bit negative about Armenia and say how sh*t Armenia is, so they can feel good and justify why they are not living in Armenia and instead are living in a foreign country, and why their children are married to foreigners and have assimilated.

The little part of Armenia that is remaning today, is because of the extremely small minority of Armenians who did care about their country.

If we don't turn collective destructionism (xxxx Armenia, it's a sh*t country, corrupt, let's leave and spread the word how bad it is) into collective state-building (indeed, there are many problems in Armenia, but it's a new republic, it's our country and the little part that is left to Armenians, and it needs evolution, let's help to fight the corruption, let's help in the state-building, let's invest Armenia, how hard it may be, so we can create an Armenia all Armenians dream of), the future of Armenia will look very grim.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

That is the way of the monkey, imitate the guy opposite you.

However in order to win you have to be a smarter and stronger monkey.

Monkey you may be but smarter and stronger I doubt it.

Again, you did not get the point of my message (as usual), and as usual you don’t really add something to this topic and you ruin it’s content. It’s like saying, “Azeris are using weapons to kill us, we shouldn’t use weapons too, because then we are a monkey”. It’s a waste of time responding to your messages.

Again, to win in the information and propaganda campaign, Armenians have to stop being defensive, we have to use the similar dirty tactics and methods, and outsmart them in this regard.

If foreign countries use “human rights activists” in Armenia for their own benefit, the strongest way to counter them is to fund your own groups of thousands of “human rights activists” and use their own arguments against them.

If the propaganda machine is working day and night to find something negative about Russia, to influence the Armenian masses to hate Russians, distrust Russians, so as to make them more pro-European (anti-Armenian), the way to counter this is to find every negative thing about Europe (which is not hard) and influence Armenians and raise awareness of the dirty political games the West is using. As I already said, Sarkozy has been misusing the Armenian genocide, he backstabbed us as he send his foreign minister to Turkey to apologize. Almost NOTHING has been said about this in the Armenian media, hell would break loose if Russia did an act like this. There is an enormous imbalance regarding the flow of information in Armenia.

If they are influencing Diasporan Armenians by the dozens of websites they have created specifically for English-speaking Armenians (ArmeniaNow.com, hetq.am, etc., 99% of the articles are written to spread negativism, pessimism and anti-Russian sentiment among English-speaking Armenians), we also have to make dozens of websites specifically for English-speaking Armenians to counter their brainwashing activities. For example, one could create a website, NowArmenia.com, which highly values human rights and democracy, and write hundreds of articles on the hypocrisy of Western countries and their anti-Armenian policy and human rights abuses. There are dozens of way to counter them...

Considering that only comment you could come up with is .....

........ shows the level of your intellect.

Speak for yourself. You are diluting this topic and are only making senseless off-topic remarks. Mr. I prefer to be called Londontsi.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

Haysip

Venezuela's gold reserves are now in Chavez's safe hands!

Does he need THAT much gold to replace all the teeth that fell out after his chemo?

That silly peasant Chavez, doesn't he know that people don't eat gold, and they can only wear so much gold bling! Gold is only vauable because banks and nations use it as reserves. If the idiot "repatriates" gold owned by Venezuela, it just makes it worth much less for Venezuela! Maybe he is planning to make solid gold urinals for his voters to piss their futures away on.

[londontsi]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

Again, you did not get the point of my message (as usual), and as usual you don’t really add something to this topic and you ruin it’s content. It’s like saying, “Azeris are using weapons to kill us, we shouldn’t use weapons too, because then we are a monkey”. It’s a waste of time responding to your messages.

Armenian Army strategy is well expressed by the authorities that it does not aspired to match their fire power but achieve parity through asymmetric means.
“Smarter Monkey" if you wish.

Again, to win in the information and propaganda campaign, Armenians have to stop being defensive, we have to use the similar dirty tactics and methods, and outsmart them in this regard.

If foreign countries use “human rights activists” in Armenia for their own benefit, the strongest way to counter them is to fund your own groups of thousands of “human rights activists” and use their own arguments against them.

If the propaganda machine is working day and night to find something negative about Russia, to influence the Armenian masses to hate Russians, distrust Russians, so as to make them more pro-European (anti-Armenian), the way to counter this is to find every negative thing about Europe (which is not hard) and influence Armenians and raise awareness of the dirty political games the West is using. As I already said, Sarkozy has been misusing the Armenian genocide, he backstabbed us as he send his foreign minister to Turkey to apologize. Almost NOTHING has been said about this in the Armenian media, hell would break loose if Russia did an act like this. There is an enormous imbalance regarding the flow of information in Armenia.

If they are influencing Diasporan Armenians by the dozens of websites they have created specifically for English-speaking Armenians (ArmeniaNow.com, hetq.am, etc., 99% of the articles are written to spread negativism, pessimism and anti-Russian sentiment among English-speaking Armenians), we also have to make dozens of websites specifically for English-speaking Armenians to counter their brainwashing activities. For example, one could create a website, NowArmenia.com, which highly values human rights and democracy, and write hundreds of articles on the hypocrisy of Western countries and their anti-Armenian policy and human rights abuses. There are dozens of way to counter them...

To compete head on with any western media (propaganda) with the hope of winning would be stupidity at its height.
When people can see things around them not quite right and counter foreign propaganda that everything is ok is naivety to the extreme.

We have to deprive them of the environment in which to survive.
“Scorched earth policy” if you will.

That can only happen if the people can see changes towards the better in all aspects of civil society.
Things do not need to be perfect but appear to have a correct direction (evolution), this is where people will believe in their better future.

It would be ridiculous to act as a “stronger monkey” when we are not.

Mr. I prefer to be called Londontsi.

Repeating a stale “joke” or a stale propaganda line says something about how articulate you are.

[Serjik]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

Bro I have to in all honesty admit you are right. We cant complete with the West is when our homeland is still young and problematic where the West is fully developed. Its a dilemma I would say.

To compete head on with any western media (propaganda) with the hope of winning would be stupidity at its height.
When people can see things around them not quite right and counter foreign propaganda that everything is ok is naivety to the extreme. We have to deprive them of the environment in which to survive.
“Scorched earth policy” if you will.

[londontsi]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

Its a dilemma I would say.

It should not be a dilemma to decide what our people deserve.
Agree would be difficult to achieve.

Requires strong and decisive leadership.
Strong does not mean the type that supresses the people (ala Aliev).
But courage to handle the shortcomings that our country has and which are hindering development and strengthening of the country and its people.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

To compete head on with any western media (propaganda) with the hope of winning would be stupidity at its height.
When people can see things around them not quite right and counter foreign propaganda that everything is ok is naivety to the extreme.

We have to deprive them of the environment in which to survive.
“Scorched earth policy” if you will.

That can only happen if the people can see changes towards the better in all aspects of civil society.
Things do not need to be perfect but appear to have a correct direction (evolution), this is where people will believe in their better future.

It would be ridiculous to act as a “stronger monkey” when we are not.

Just total bullxxxx. To compete with Western countries on an international stage, is nearly impossible indeed. But to compete with Western countries (and not only Western countries, but also Turkic countries etc.) within our own borders, is certainly possible, which is also what I am advocating for.

I again repeat, the problem is deeper than for our government to fight corruption, dilute the role of oligarchy, etc., as this is a long-term process, and is relatively never ending. The so-called "scorched earth policy" is useless in this case, as they have been using these tactics successfully in much richer and developed countries as well, but I see you just don't understand this.

The things being advocated for by pro-Western media and their anti-Russian and corrupt view on democracy, can never be fulfilled in Armenia, as most of their goals are anti-Armenian in nature, which means that the information warfare and propaganda will continue, no matter if our economy grows and Armenia prospers. Again, even if Armenia becomes twice as rich, even if corruption is twice less, even if people's salary grows two-fold, the same propaganda and negative and pessimist information warfare can and will be spread. To counter this, we have to use other means. The "scorched-earth" policy is one-hundred percent rubbish to counter these kind of warfare.

Armenian Army strategy is well expressed by the authorities that it does not aspired to match their fire power but achieve parity through asymmetric means.
“Smarter Monkey" if you wish.

You can look at it in two ways. I would say, we are using the same "methods", which is weapons. Only we are outsmarting them in this field and use them far more effectively, which is also what I said in my post, using the same "methods" and outsmart them in this regard. Smarter Armenian if you wish. I see you love monkeys.

[londontsi]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

I again repeat, the problem is deeper than for our government to fight corruption, dilute the role of oligarchy, etc., as this is a long-term process, and is relatively never ending. The so-called "scorched earth policy" is useless in this case, as they have been using these tactics successfully in much richer and developed countries as well, but I see you just don't understand this.

The problem is NON application of the law.

Armenia has a constitution.
Armenia has laws, but (some) are not applied but circumvented.

Application of the law is not evolutionary, but its enacted on the day it is stated it will come into force.

A simple example to demonstrate what I mean.

There is a relevant law which states all advertisement on Armenian TV (media?) should be in Armenian.

If you watch Armenian TV its obvious it is not applied. Why not?
Because those advertisers are companies belonging to the oligarchs and do not give a damn to such laws.
How they can get away with it? Your guess is as good as mine.

This is a very small example.
One could go on and highlight many such examples.

I repeat application of the law is not evolutionary.
If it exists should be applied.