Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian policy)

[Tigranakert]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

The problem is NON application of the law.

Armenia has a constitution.
Armenia has laws, but (some) are not applied but circumvented.

Application of the law is not evolutionary, but its enacted on the day it is stated it will come into force.

A simple example to demonstrate what I mean.

There is a relevant law which states all advertisement on Armenian TV (media?) should be in Armenian.

If you watch Armenian TV its obvious it is not applied. Why not?
Because those advertisers are companies belonging to the oligarchs and do not give a damn to such laws.
How they can get away with it? Your guess is as good as mine.

This is a very small example.
One could go on and highlight many such examples.

I repeat application of the law is not evolutionary.
If it exists should be applied.

You still continue your illogical ranting. You are just too naive to believe that if laws are applied, the problem will vanish, it actually has nothing to do with the laws, nor the state, nor government efficiency, nor corruption, directly (indirect, a little bit). They can always find something to complain on and spread pessimism, negativism and anti-Russian sentiments among the Armenian population. Understand that even if Armenia's economy grows, corruption becomes less, government efficiency grows, laws being applied more, all will be in vain if we do not counter their propaganda war directly; we have to change from being defensive, to being offensive in our information campaign. I see this is something impossible for you to understand, and probably you will again continue with your illogical off-topic ranting, Londoner (probably you have been brainwashed by the British).

An example in children's language, if you really still do not understand what the problem is.

What you are stating is the following; they are bombing our cities with rockets, we have to continue to repair our buildings and build new ones, even though they will never stop bombing our cities. This is an endless cycle, they will bomb our cities, we will try to rebuild them, they will bomb it again etc. All will be in vain.

What I say is; yes of course we should develop our city, build more buildings, repair more buildings, but for their destructive campaign to end, we have to attack them and eliminate them so they can not bomb our cities any longer, only then we will be successful in keeping our cities in good shape and continue to develop them.

The message: even if we improve government efficiency, reduce corruption, etc., this is not the solution to the problem. We have to counter them directly.

[retro]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

Tigranakert

Agitating against and projecting things on to the West is can only serve to isolate Armenia. Which is far from desirable, since Armenia is a small independent state with a large diaspora and in order to survive. It must be a outward looking and adaptable nation. Not insular, ultra-nationalist and xenophobic.

Londontsi is right in thinking that their needs to be greater focus on civil and social development. As no small part of the problem with the states in the region is that they are excessively dominated by their security/military complexes and a aggressive, tribal outlook, which perpetuates thier hostility to one another.

Some Emerson for you:

"Republics abound in young civilians, who believe that the laws make the city, that grave modifications of the policy and modes of living, and employments of the population, that commerce, education, and religion, may be voted in or out; and that any measure, though it were absurd, may be imposed on a people, if only you can get sufficient voices to make it a law. But the wise know that foolish legislation is a rope of sand, which perishes in the twisting; that the State must follow, and not lead the character and progress of the citizen; the strongest usurper is quickly got rid of; and they only who build on Ideas, build for eternity; and that the form of government which prevails, is the expression of what cultivation exists in the population which permits it.

The law is only a memorandum. We are superstitious, and esteem the statute somewhat: so much life as it has in the character of living men, is its force. The statute stands there to say, yesterday we agreed so and so, but how feel ye this article today? Our statute is a currency, which we stamp with our own portrait: it soon becomes unrecognizable, and in process of time will return to the mint.

Nature is not democratic, nor limited-monarchical, but despotic, and will not be fooled or abated of any jot of her authority, by the pertest of her sons: and as fast as the public mind is opened to more intelligence, the code is seen to be brute and stammering. It speaks not articulately, and must be made to. Meantime the education of the general mind never stops. The reveries of the true and simple are prophetic. What the tender poetic youth dreams, and prays, and paints today, but shuns the ridicule of saying aloud, shall presently be the resolutions of public bodies, then shall be carried as grievance and bill of rights through conflict and war, and then shall be triumphant law and establishment for a hundred years, until it gives place, in turn, to new prayers and pictures. The history of the State sketches in coarse outline the progress of thought, and follows at a distance the delicacy of culture and of aspiration."

[Mos]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

Tigranakert

Agitating against and projecting things on to the West is can only serve to isolate Armenia. Which is far from desirable, since Armenia is a small independent state with a large diaspora and in order to survive. It must be a outward looking and adaptable nation. Not insular, ultra-nationalist and xenophobic.

Londontsi is right in thinking that their needs to be greater focus on civil and social development. As no small part of the problem with the states in the region is that they are excessively dominated by their security/military complexes and a aggressive, tribal outlook, which perpetuates thier hostility to one another.

I agree that we shouldn't cut ties with the West or only deal with Russia and ignore the rest of the world. It is to our benefit to be on good terms with as many nations, especially the powerful players in the West. Of course our closer military ally will be in the East, mainly Russia.

I think though what Tigranakert often tries to point out is for Armenians not to fall into the illusion that anything that has to do with the West, anything that is "democratic", is necessarily the best thing for Armenia, and that we should develop our society not copying the European societies, but invest and improving on our own values. I also agree with him on the fact that the "human rights" assessments from the West often result in attacks or insults on the government, people, and military. There is no need for that. There's always room for improvement - it can be said and done in civil manner.

There are good and bad things to be taken from the West and almost every country. We are a young and growing country and in my view we are growing rather well. We need at times direction, criticism, to make that process better, in improving our social condition, better governance, less corruption, less oligarchic power, better investment environment, and so on. We also need to look to the future and deal with our demographic crisis and also make further investments in education and diaspora programs, and connect more and more diasporans to Armenia.

[londontsi]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

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Before looking for ideas from the West or East or wherever ... or getting bogged down with words like democracy etc.

How about applying OUR own laws which OUR Parliament made into law.
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How about applying OUR Constitution which the founding fathers of the Republic wrote by those who are or aspire to be in power.

If we did that as a nation we would be half ways there.


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[Mos]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

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Before looking for ideas from the West or East or wherever ... or getting bogged down with words like democracy etc.

How about applying OUR own laws which OUR Parliament made into law.
and
How about applying OUR Constitution which the founding fathers of the Republic wrote by those who are or aspire to be in power.

If we did that as a nation we would be half ways there.


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Which laws in particular are you referring to? Governance in Armenia is not flawless, obviously, we are a young and growing republic, even in established Western European republics you will see shortfalls in governance. We must look at everything in context, of course it doesn't give us an excuse not to improve such governance.

[londontsi]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

Which laws in particular are you referring to? Governance in Armenia is not flawless, obviously, we are a young and growing republic, even in established Western European republics you will see shortfalls in governance. We must look at everything in context, of course it doesn't give us an excuse not to improve such governance.

I am referring to laws that are in the statute book.
Laws of the Country, laws which are in “force” but which are not applied because some elements of society think they are above the law..

Examples,

Anti-monopolistic laws,
Laws the members of Parliament must meet to be elected, (conflict of interest etc)
Parliament attendance rules,
Foreign language advertisements on TV

etc etc

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[Mos]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

I am referring to laws that are in the statute book.
Laws of the Country, laws which are in “force” but which are not applied because some elements of society think they are above the law..

Examples,

Anti-monopolistic laws,
Laws the members of Parliament must meet to be elected, (conflict of interest etc)
Parliament attendance rules,
Foreign language advertisements on TV

etc etc

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A major problem lies in the applying of such laws to the big businessmen/oligarchs who are able to use their resources to go above the law. Breaking some of the oligarchic atmosphere is a must for Armenian success. We need more power to the people!

[londontsi]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

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The peoples representatives expressing the wishes of the people.

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[bell-the-cat]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

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The peoples representatives expressing the wishes of the people.

Are they so blatant about it because they are too stupid to know they are being filmed? Or do they just not care, because they know nobody will ever do anything about it (i.e. they are expressing the wishes of the people, the people who want to continue to live as powerless slaves).

[londontsi]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

Maybe this where we get our lessons in democracy.

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