My Reservations with the Dashnaks

[hrai]

Re: My Reservations with the Dashnaks

Hrair, I’m sorry I don't have the book if you can provide a soft copy or at least the pages that you mean I would be more than glad.

As for Wikipedia being a liar: The information that I'm giving, which is the eastern bureau of the party was much stronger than the western one, isn’t from Wikipedia. I have read this in several books. To mention a few (Zoravar Antranik by Antranik Zelebian , Armenia: survival of nation by Christopher J. Walker) and some others which I can't remember it is research I have done during many years. This is not an analysis it is a fact I can confirm this fact by looking at the leaders of the Democratic Republic of Armenia. Vast majority of them are from Eastern Armenia. You can also confirm leaders of DRA being from Eastern Armenia from Wikipedia. If Wikipedia isn't good enough for you look at any other site on the internet talking about DRA. If internet isn't reliable for you look at any book talking about leaders of DRA. Look at the names of the prime ministers and council chairmen and their place of birth during that time you will find vast majority are from EASTERN Armenia and your argument ends here. The Western Bureau was in tatters because of the Armenian Genocide.
This is a link to a page where all the prime-ministers, chairman, ministers, etc. of DRA are mentioned with their biography vast majority of them are from Eastern Armenia or Russian Empire. To give some more examples you can check it yourself.

http://www.orientica.net/index.php?title=Leaders_of_Democratic_Republic_of_Armenia

ALL chairmen, prime ministers, Ministers of military affairs Ministers of Interior and ministers of foreign affairs are from eastern Armenia or Russian Empire. So with all due respect I think the analysis you give is wrong. The western Armenians first of all weren’t in power to betray Eastern Armenia.
Bottom line I will repeat again and again. FOR GOD SAKE STOP BLAMING EACH OTHERS EASTERN WESTERN. LET US BE ARMENIAN BY BLAMING WESTERNERS DON'T CARE ABOUT EASTERNERS OR I DONNO WHAT WE ARE DIGGING OUR OWN GRAVE.

Read my post then!

[Hye]

Re: My Reservations with the Dashnaks

Hi hrair, good answer and good post thank you for reading my post Thoroughly. if 12 pages of litriture can be sumarized and simplified in 4 sentences of illwritten childish accusation with no argument and logic what so ever than i don't know if the book is worth reading or the reader (you) is misunderstood (to tell the least or trying hard not to offend you). I think an educated historian such as RichardHovhanesian would offer more than what you present. It's a shame to get such a premitive and childish answer nice job.

[hrai]

Re: My Reservations with the Dashnaks

Hi hrair, good answer and good post thank you for reading my post Thoroughly. if 12 pages of litriture can be sumarized and simplified in 4 sentences of illwritten childish accusation with no argument and logic what so ever than i don't know if the book is worth reading or the reader (you) is misunderstood (to tell the least or trying hard not to offend you). I think an educated historian such as RichardHovhanesian would offer more than what you present. It's a shame to get such a premitive and childish answer nice job.

No xxxx Sherlock!

Most books are summarized by perhaps a paragraph or two. 4 sentences for 12 pages is proportionate

I prefer to research through libraries, bookstores and talking with people who've experienced events or been closer to them than me.
Some people appear to do research through wiki-paedia.
Takes allsorts.

[hrai]

Re: My Reservations with the Dashnaks

Hi hrair, good answer and good post thank you for reading my post Thoroughly. if 12 pages of litriture can be sumarized and simplified in 4 sentences of illwritten childish accusation with no argument and logic what so ever than i don't know if the book is worth reading or the reader (you) is misunderstood (to tell the least or trying hard not to offend you). I think an educated historian such as RichardHovhanesian would offer more than what you present. It's a shame to get such a premitive and childish answer nice job.

Another keyboard warrior who would have his face slapped in the real world.

[Hye]

Re: My Reservations with the Dashnaks

Hrai janik you have real problem in reading go play with someone with your low intellectual ability. I myself refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man such as you. This is my last post for you even if you keep on barking with such void childish and stupid posts have a good life. But just for the record I said the following:

"if 12 pages of literature can be sumarized and simplified in 4 sentences of illwritten childish accusation with no argument and logic what so ever..."

But I donno how you just read

"if 12 pages of litriture can be sumarized and simplified in 4 sentences.."

This alone proves what I sad above. hayde garta gatigt khme bargir

[hrai]

Re: My Reservations with the Dashnaks

hi hrair, good answer and good post thank you for reading my post thoroughly. If 12 pages of litriture can be sumarized and simplified in 4 sentences of illwritten(hahaha) childish accusation with no argument and logic what so ever than i don't know if the book is worth reading or the reader (you) is misunderstood (to tell the least or trying hard not to offend you). I think an educated historian such as richardhovhanesian would offer more than what you present. It's a shame to get such a premitive and childish answer nice job.

[Eddo211]

Re: My Reservations with the Dashnaks

In my view a lot of Western Armenians have no regard for RA at all, never have done and never will.
That's why the failing Dashnaks signed away Kars and half the Republic in 1920. They didn't give a sh*t.
They knew what they were doing, the turcs knew what they were doing and even offered them safe passage to europe.
They were so blinded by power that they believed the western lies and some believe those western lies still.

I wouldn't put this pass them.....we Armenians have always been our own worst enemy anyways.

[londontsi]

Re: My Reservations with the Dashnaks

Hye, look at : Richard G. Hovannisian : "The Republic of Armenia", Volume IV. (Between Crescent & Sickle : Partition & Sovietization). pages 390-402. Hye, if you want to reply please read the post !

I would rather believe Hovannisian than wiki-liar.

I would be ( I am ) more cautious.

I suggest you also watch the other parts of this video series to realise what the Armenian History falsifiers are up to.

Do not take anything at face value.

It was eye opener for me.

[londontsi]

Re: My Reservations with the Dashnaks

I would rather believe Hovannisian .......

The National Academy of the Armenian Republic (Department of Armenology and social sciences)
made a decision (April 7, 2009) and expressed its serious disappointment regarding such
intentional falsifications found in the discussed history book (The Armenian People from
Ancient to Modern Times, chief editor: Richard G. Hovannisian) and emphasized that the
continuous usage of such a textbook is harmful for Armenian students. One must take into
consideration the fact that such publications continue to be distributed in other academic circles.

The Armenian National Academy of Sciences has further asked the authors and the editor of the
two-volume textbook to comprehensively reevaluate the material substance of the textbook so
it can be presented in accordance with the latest scientific findings and achievements of Armenology.

Furthermore, it is recommended that future publications of Armenian History textbooks
should be conducted more carefully and prudentially.

.

[Armanen]

Re: My Reservations with the Dashnaks

Socialism is too broad of a term. It can be characterised as anything from centrist politics (in the US, this is socialism lol) to extreme left (anarcho-communism).

Dashnak "socialism" is actually pretty moderate, even historically. The two traditional and oldest parties (Hunchak and Dashnak) in fact have not united because the Dashnaktsutyun is, according to the Hunchaks, not socialist enough. How nationalism and socialism work together is actually very simple. By "socialism", the Dashnaks refer to their fiscal policy mainly. Basically, the Nordic mixed economy model is what Dashnaktsutyun's ideology calls for more or less. Limited state intervention into the economy, higher minimum wage etc. but with the presence of a market economy. Kinda like the social democracies found all over Europe too. I would characterise them as centre-left in terms of fiscal policies.

For religion, Dashnaktsutyun has relied on the church to unite Armenians in the Diaspora. When Dashnaks established communities, they would build a church and a community centre around it. Basically, from what I have noticed, the church for them is a point of unison. They don't shove religion down people's throats, true. But they recognise the church's importance. Catholicos Aram I himself is a de-facto Dashnak And what you espouse, that part of our nationalism should be our faith in the Apostolic Church, is in 100% agreement with Catholicos Aram I (who IMO, is a far superior leader than Karekin II). There are very religious Dashnaks and there are atheist Dashnaks.

How can you claim Aram is a better leader than Garegin II? The same Aram who took at cheap shot at Armenia's government during the festivities associated with the 20th anniversary of Armenia's 2nd Republic. He feel in with the same crowd that has bought into the Western funded anti-Armenian drivel.