National Industry

[Artashes]

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Also , somewhere it has been mentioned about concern of cyanide contamination in our water system and ground .
Cyanide ( and mercury ) are used in gold processing .
In the US ( the richest country in the world ) mismanagement of cyanide & mercury containment in the mining industry is a constant occurrence .
As Vrej stated --- if high tech resourceful America does not show the appropriate concern for these toxic substances , then a high likelihood that Armenia is doing no better .
Unless the Hay govt & people institute a very strong mining watchdog office , the land and water can be virtually irretrievably contaminated .
An extreme and timely addressing of this is in order .
Artashes

[Vrej1915]

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Artashes,
I can not say if there is a link between Bentonite and the product you mention.

Concerning semi-precious gems, what you presume must be true.
But once again, I am not a geologist.
I know, that in soviet times we had a rather correct geology museum, somewhere near republic square.
During war years, it was still operating, but nearly out of funds.
I heard an Artsakh specialist, who served as minister in last soviet cabinet, was promising to open a new or more modern one, or something like that.
This needs to be checked.
Anyway, in that soviet era museum, you had hundreds of semi precious stones referenced, from small Armenian SSR.
Now you must add the NKR, wich gives you 50% increase of territory.
The Mrav chain is specially rich in rare metals.

[Vrej1915]

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Originally Posted by Artashes
Also you ( Vrej ) mention bentonite and it's use as a lubricant in the drilling process . Interesting .
I used to sail on a 220 ft offshore supply boat taking supplies to an offshore oil rig . One of the main supplies we would take to the oil rig was pallets loaded with sacks of beyroid (sp?) , which is the drilling mud , which is used to lubricate the drilling head and also the specific gravity of beyroid can be manipulated so that it can be made very heavy to stop up flow or contain fluctuating pressures .
I wonder if bentonite is what beyroid is produced from .
I cannot believe there could be a substantial copper or gold deposit and not have the related precious and simi precious stones . Would probably almost impossible or extremely unlikely not to have rocks around .
Artashes
Messed up -- this was supposed to be posted in national thread by Vrej , sorry
Artashes

[Vrej1915]

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Also it just occurred to me --- if we have copper deposits ( and other mineral / elements ) then we must have the gem material that is associated with these . Do you ( Vrej ) know if Hay produced , turquoise , vericite , chrysocolla , other gems ? Up here in Alaska none ( big / small ) mining company's don't care about accompanying rocks but only the ores . Am wondering if these are being overlooked in Armenia as they are up here ?
Artashes

You(re welcome.
About the cylinders, you are right, at one end, they are thinner.
So what you used to buy then, was very probably Vanazor made.

For this question, I do not know for sure, but if they do overlook in the US, then certainly they do the same here.
Our mining industry is very basic and rude.
The waste mud they abandon is still so rich, that back a decade ago, before the 2008 crisis and the rise of Gold once, an indian company purchased Sotk gold mine, and with it the Ararat gold factory.... just to stop mining in Sotk, and recycle the waste mont near the factory in Ararat....
Once they took all the Gold, they declared bankrupcy and got away ... not anticipating the rise of the Gold price

[Artashes]

Re: National Industry

Also it just occurred to me --- if we have copper deposits ( and other mineral / elements ) then we must have the gem material that is associated with these . Do you ( Vrej ) know if Hay produced , turquoise , vericite , chrysocolla , other gems ? Up here in Alaska none ( big / small ) mining company's don't care about accompanying rocks but only the ores . Am wondering if these are being overlooked in Armenia as they are up here ?
Artashes

[Artashes]

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Very interesting info you've supplied Vrej .
I'm now seeing why this beautiful synthetic gem material was produced ( I think ) .
They needed the conundrum for drilling purposes and realized by introducing other elements they could produce gem colors . They no dought did not need the color for the industrial use so this whole gem thing was a by product to pull in extra revenue .
Russia has huge diamond deposit . Most diamond is not gem grade so am surprised they did not cheaply produce diamond drills instead of corundum .
If France produced the statue of liberty with Armenian copper and the synthetic conundrum is really Armenian produced , it once again shows how little credit or recognition Armenia gets and how everyone else takes all the glory while never mentioning us .
Thanks again for info .
Artashes

[Artashes]

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I guess they are gem quality, if we consider the color references cited on this page, saphir, emeraud... ??


http://fr.tradekey.com/product_view/id/285387.htm

Yes , my memory is coming back . As a young man I used to buy this stuff I America and it was made in Soviet union . It was never mentioned which of the soviet socialist countries it was actually produced on .
The round cylinders are called " boules " and probably narrow at one end .
What you are speaking of is definitely gem ( synthetic ) quality .
I saved all my old catalogs from 40 + years ago but in these modern times have not seen it anywhere .
Will rereading and search out your info , to see if I can access this .
I used to love to make knife blades of ruby , Safire etc for unique one of a kind knives as well as many other things .
Thank you
Artashes

[Vrej1915]

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http://www.tradekey.com/profile_cont...y-chimprom.htm

I guess they are gem quality, if we consider the color references cited on this page, saphir, emeraud... ??

http://fr.tradekey.com/product_view/id/285387.htm

[Vrej1915]

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http://www.tradekey.com/profile_contact/uid/888939/Prometey-chimprom.htm

[Vrej1915]

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Vrej , do you know if synthetic corundum is gem grade ?
Or do you have any suggestion how I might find out ?
I like the stuff .
Thanks
Artashes

Frankly,
I do not know, how to judge the quality.
I know it is produced since soviet times in Vanatzor (aka-Kirovakan), the factory named now as Chimprom.
I know it was one of the prides of Armenia's chemical industry.
I must have small samples somewhere, dating those years. The ones I have are dark blue and dark red/ruby colored.
They have cylindrical forms, aprox 8 cm long..
I think color is changed with the modification of additional impurities, during the melt of Zyrconium oxydes??
Frankly I do not know to whom they sell by now, and for wich purpose they are used.
Might well be gem quality, after all, since the colors I remember are well gem like (ruby?).
But if I do remember, in soviet industry, they were used mostly for industrial uses?? Once again, I may be wrong, and perhaps I make a confusion, but I think they were used in petrol industry, as parts of the driller heads, in place of diamonds ???
We also used to produce the natural lubrification of the same drillers then, from a mine near Ijevan.... known as Bentonite.

I'm afraid, I have no idea how you could find the quality?
If you are really interested, may be you could contact the producer in Vanatzor?
If not, perhaps you may google it?