Which Media outlet is allowed to read??

[Hakob]

Re: Which Media outlet is allowed to read??

I did mistakenly call Shahnazarian Military, than corrected to political. Thanks.

[Vrej1915]

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I did mistakenly call Shahnazarian Military, than corrected to political. Thanks.

It's ok

[Haykakan]

Re: Which Media outlet is allowed to read??

So Vrej you and your friend Muradyan finely figured out that Russia plays all sides but for some of us this is no news nor sensational information since this has been the case for hundreds of years. Non of this however changes the fact that no Russia=no Armenia. I just wish you would talk about things that something good can be done about vs a reality that has existed for centuries and is not going to change anytime soon. You scream that Russians are traitors yet the stuff you propose is no less treacherous. So in your opinion Armenia should have the right to act in its own interest irrespective of Russian interest but not the other way around. Of course your opinion means nothing at all anyways since it is power that determines who acts how and the power is clearly in Russia's hands not ours. Artsagh is a great victory for our nation and if we want to make it a lasting one we need to make it officially part of Armenia instead of another state. I feel this is getting off topic but please Vrej do not open yet another thread-you know a thread on media outlets already exists in this forum.

[Vrej1915]

Re: Which Media outlet is allowed to read??

So Vrej you and your friend Muradyan finely figured out that Russia plays all sides but for some of us this is no news nor sensational information since this has been the case for hundreds of years. Non of this however changes the fact that no Russia=no Armenia. I just wish you would talk about things that something good can be done about vs a reality that has existed for centuries and is not going to change anytime soon. You scream that Russians are traitors yet the stuff you propose is no less treacherous. So in your opinion Armenia should have the right to act in its own interest irrespective of Russian interest but not the other way around. Of course your opinion means nothing at all anyways since it is power that determines who acts how and the power is clearly in Russia's hands not ours. Artsagh is a great victory for our nation and if we want to make it a lasting one we need to make it officially part of Armenia instead of another state. I feel this is getting off topic but please Vrej do not open yet another thread-you know a thread on media outlets already exists in this forum.

My Dear,
Or you are a geopolitical mastermind, Kissinger class, we are unable to get.... full of sarcasm, or else, you do not understand anything about what you read.
Anyway, your intrusion never develops the debates, at least from what I've seen from your last months posts.
From what I've been able to understand, your basics is: RUSSIA IS ALWAYS RIGHT, LONG LIVE THE TZAR, Period!.
Ok, I do not know others, but it seems to me, I got you.
So, now that you made your point, and happy with that:
Could you please, stick to your principle, and answer to the topic of this thread, (first 2 questions) since you are one of the first would be censors of this forum????

[Haykakan]

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Like i said earlier there is a thread on this already and i have listed some good sources there. As for developing the debate.. i feel the same way about you because you bring little besides negativity to this forum. As for Russia it has done right and wrong things for itself and others but unlike Armenia Russia is big and powerful enough to recover from its mistakes while such mistakes will end the Armenian nation. Just because the likes of Raffi and other western stooges say things and those things get printed in the media, it does not mean those words are facts. I know a lot of people who believe everything in the media and most of it is lies intended to mislead them. Unfortunately Armenia is yet again in the middle of a tug of war between world powers and while non of these powers have our interest at heart (nor should they), only one has us listed in its future plans while the others would like nothing better then for Armenians to become mere mythological oddities.

[Vrej1915]

Re: Which Media outlet is allowed to read??

Like i said earlier there is a thread on this already and i have listed some good sources there. As for developing the debate.. i feel the same way about you because you bring little besides negativity to this forum. As for Russia it has done right and wrong things for itself and others but unlike Armenia Russia is big and powerful enough to recover from its mistakes while such mistakes will end the Armenian nation. Just because the likes of Raffi and other western stooges say things and those things get printed in the media, it does not mean those words are facts. I know a lot of people who believe everything in the media and most of it is lies intended to mislead them. Unfortunately Armenia is yet again in the middle of a tug of war between world powers and while non of these powers have our interest at heart (nor should they), only one has us listed in its future plans while the others would like nothing better then for Armenians to become mere mythological oddities.

Be kind, do not spare that much your time.
Post for a second time your reliable sources, and their financing's origins..., since you are the one coming in this thread.
If not, go back to your original thread, and wait for me.

[Hakob]

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[QUOTE=Serjik;347957]Haykakan, dont waste you breath on him he is a poser. He is a fake "war hero". I cant believe others here believe his crap. Like you said bro, one mistake and Armenia is of the map. Cant afford mistakes. Russia is our safe bet until who know when, maybe China will be with us in the future. But NEVER the west.




On another note, It has been known that a lot of russia's black deeds Armenians performed 100% better than russians themselves. Like chopping off thousands in Yerevan NKVD basements in 30's in the name of USSR. Russians themselves have hurt lots of Armenian families, besides satanic politics to us sometimes.
And what we discussed earlier, what Vrej brought up, chronology is 100% truth. The debate was how you view and use it and when? Was it an aggresion or just a mercenary behavior? Was it a general policy by russia towards us, or just a flip flop accured in the events of '93. How is this information used by media, and with what purposes?

It is natural that for some any thrust in us for russia means slave mindedness. We are not talking about love or hate. And we should give benefit of a doubt to anyone as long as they come here with respect to others, and are patriots.

This debate can go on or not, it is not about who will win. I wish that we did not have to debate at all. Either Russia or west would be the kind of friend we desired, and most of all, we would be a little more organized for our own interest and sake, to command the friendship that we desire.
If you have anything to add to information or debate, fine. But lets stop there.

[Mher]

Re: Which Media outlet is allowed to read??

On another note, It has been known that a lot of russia's black deeds Armenians performed 100% better than russians themselves. Like chopping off thousands in Yerevan NKVD basements in 30's in the name of USSR. Russians themselves have hurt lots of Armenian families, besides satanic politics to us sometimes.
And what we discussed earlier, what Vrej brought up, is 100% truth. The debate was how you view and use it and when? Was it an aggresion or just a mercenary behavior? Was it a general policy by russia towards us, or just a flip flop accured in the events of '93. How is this information used by media, and with what purposes?

It is natural that for some any thrust in us for russia means slave mindedness. We are not talking about love or hate. And we should give benefit of a doubt to anyone as long as they come here with respect to others, and are patriots.

This debate can go on or not, it is not about who will win. I wish that we did not have to debate at all. Either Russia or west would be the kind of friend we desired, and most of all, we would be a little more organized for our own interest and sake, to command the friendship that we desire.
If you have anything to add to information or debate, fine. But lets stop there.

Hakob thanks for keeping the discussion clean and on topic. There used to be a lot of users on this forum with similar views to yours but unlike you, they were heavy on insult and low on logic, and too obsessed with blind nationalism, Nazism,and blind russophilia. So it was hard to tell the difference between you and them. Now that a lot of them are gone, its easier to distinguish what you have to say, and you actually bring credibility to pro-russian view because you show your knowledge. Same goes for Vrej. from his private messages, I can tell his knowledge and first hand experience of these matters is not matched by many user, current or past, on this forum. I didn't bother posting between yours and Vrej's posts because it was a very informative discussion so definitely keep it going.

[KarotheGreat]

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Some posts have been altered and others have been deleted!
I will make it very clear: Keep things on topic and stop discussing other members!

Loving the discussion most of you are having here please continue with it!

[Vrej1915]

Re: Which Media outlet is allowed to read??

Ինչու է Ռուսաստանը ոչնչացրել Շահումյանի շրջանը
Lragir.am
Ուրբաթ, 13 Հունիսի 2014,



1992 թ. հունիսի 13-ին ռուսական բանակի 23-րդ դիվիզիան զավթեց և հայաթափեց Շահումյանի շրջանը՝ Հյուսիսային Արցախը հանձնելով ադրբեջանցիներին: Ավելի քան 10 հազար հայեր տեղահանվեցին, տեղի ունեցան հայերի սպանություններ, նրանց ահռելի սեփականությունը թալանվեց:

Ռուսական բանակն այնուհետեւ պետք է ներխուժեր Մարտակերտ եւ շարունակեր Ղարաբաղի հայաթափումն ու հանձնումը:

Շահումյանի շրջանի իրադարձությունները խորապես ուսումնասիրված չեն «հասկանալի» պատճառներով: Հայաստանի խորհրդարանում այդ ժամանակ փակ լսումներ տեղի ունեցան, որի ժամանակ եղան բացահայտումներ թե ռուսական բանակի գործողությունների, թե Հայաստանում այդ օպերացիայի աջակիցների մասով: Սակայն, թեման ընդհանուր առմամբ մնաց փակ:

Սակայն, տեղի է ունեցել այնպիսի իրադարձություն, որն անհնար է ծածկել «հայ-ռուսական բարեկամությամբ, չնայած արդարացումների ու բացատրությունների փորձերին:

Շահումյանի շրջանում տեղի ունեցածը կարելի է համարել հայ-ռուսական «հարաբերությունների» քաղաքական կլասիկա: Դրա էությունը հետեւյալն է՝ Ռուսաստանը Կովկասում կարող է ամրապնդվել միայն հայկական շահերի հաշվին եւ հայկական տարածքները Ադրբեջանին հանձնելու միջոցով: Իսկ երբ Ռուսաստանը հեռանում է Կովկասից՝ հայկական գործոնը տարածաշրջանում ուժեղանում է:

Այս սխեման հստակ դրսեւորվեց Գյուլիստանի 1813 թ. պայմանագրից հետո, երբ հայկական տարածքները ռուսները հանձնեցին մահմեդական կառավարման, 1918-20 թվականներին, երբ Կովկաս վերադարձող Ռուսաստանը Ղարաբաղը, Նախիջեւանը եւ հայաբնակ այլ շրջաններ հանձնեց Ադրբեջանին: Նույն սխեման կրկնվեց 1992-ից հետո, երբ քաղաքական ու տնտեսական աղետի մեջ հայտնված Ռուսաստանը հեռացավ Կովկասից, եւ հայերը սկսեցին հաղթանակներ տանել, թեեւ Ռուսաստանը շարունակում էր աջակցել Ադրբեջանին:

Սա է հայ-ռուսական հարաբերությունների քաղաքական սխեման: Ռուսաստանի ու Հայաստանի շահերը խոր քաղաքական եւ պատմական հակասության մեջ են: Հայաստանի ինքնիշխանությունը եւ քաղաքական հաջողությունը պայմանավորված է Կովկասից Ռուսաստանի «հեռանալով»: Այսինքն, երբ Հայաստանն ինքնիշխան պետություն է:

Ներկայում սխեման կրկնվում է: Կովկասում Ռուսաստանը փորձում է ամրապնդվել, եւ Հայաստանի գաղութացումն ընդամենն առաջին քայլն է: Հաջորդ քայլով Ռուսաստանը փորձելու է ամբողջացնել այդ սխեման, Ադրբեջանի հետ համաձայնության գալով:

Սրանք են Շահումյանի քաղաքական դասերը Հայաստանի համար:
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