Remember 13 JUNE 1992: Day of INFAMY

[Eddo211]

Re: Remember 13 JUNE 1992: Day of INFAMY

Read my post again. Russia is the best Armenia has got out of all options, however bad it was in 1992. If you don't understand this sentence, I can't help you!

everyone knows that Armenia is dependent on Russia here but in 1992 Armenians did what they had to do, Russia playing would have made no difference in the outcome......only time.

Nothing new here so again, what is your point......you know its not just Russia is the best option.
You are back peddling, lol.

My advice: If you have nothing to say, then don't say it, and definitely don't twist or re-write my posts.

There, fixed it for you!

I do have something to say and you know very well what you meant by your post.......there are certain things in Turkish mind that can never be fixed.
I am getting to you? ask yourself why.

[lampron]

Re: Remember 13 JUNE 1992: Day of INFAMY

So what you really trying to say on your first statement Lampron is that if Armenians didn't have any arms (maybe just spears, swords, and bows) then Artsakh could have never been liberated.....in that case I agree.

So what is your point?

Your second statement about NATO and the West reaction its nothing new to us, we have known this for a long time, however Armenia does participate in some exercises with US and US is involved in small modernization of, for example the Armenian Airforce infrastructure and so on but reality of big picture is different So yes, I agree with you again.

So what is your point?

On your third statement you are not entirely true, like Verj said how do you get such a clear cut version of history. Also Armenia may not be a big political power but that doesn't mean you just do nothing, Armenia does does have some pull and a geographical road block to the Turks who like you said are dependent on Iran, Russia, Muslim world, and the West.

I think your are trying to say that Russia won the war for Armenians of Artsakh.....nothing new here either, every Azeri and Turk and Pakistani, etc think that.
Good.

Read my post again. Russia is the best Armenia has got out of all options, however bad it was in 1992. If you don't understand this sentence, I can't help you!

My advice: If you have nothing to say, then don't say it, and definitely don't twist or re-write my posts.

There, fixed it for you!

[Eddo211]

Re: Remember 13 JUNE 1992: Day of INFAMY

So what you really trying to say on your first statement Lampron is that if Armenians didn't have any arms (maybe just spears, swords, and bows) then Artsakh could have never been liberated.....in that case I agree.

So what is your point?

Your second statement about NATO and the West reaction its nothing new to us, we have known this for a long time, however Armenia does participate in some exercises with US and US is involved in small modernization of, for example the Armenian Airforce infrastructure and so on but reality of big picture is different So yes, I agree with you again.

So what is your point?

On your third statement you are not entirely true, like Verj said how do you get such a clear cut version of history. Also Armenia may not be a big political power but that doesn't mean you just do nothing, Armenia does does have some pull and a geographical road block to the Turks who like you said are dependent on Iran, Russia, Muslim world, and the West.

I think your are trying to say that Russia won the war for Armenians of Artsakh.....nothing new here either, every Azeri and Turk and Pakistani, etc think that.
Good.

[lampron]

Re: Remember 13 JUNE 1992: Day of INFAMY

Its a well documented and discussed the fact that Armenia and in particular Karabagh were the underdogs both weaponry as well as geography.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh_War#Weapons_vacuum

Who said they were not?

Trying to put a spin on the story with your usual anti Armenian needs to be challenged.


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Huh?

Which bit was anti-Armenian in that post?

Your contribution to this thread is still exactly zero

[lampron]

Re: Remember 13 JUNE 1992: Day of INFAMY

Fixed it for you.

Who asked you to fix anything?

[Eddo211]

Re: Remember 13 JUNE 1992: Day of INFAMY

Without Russian weapons Armenian forces captured from Azeri Turks they would not have re-captured most of Karabakh land.

Fixed it for you.

[londontsi]

Re: Remember 13 JUNE 1992: Day of INFAMY

Do you have anything to say about the subject of this thread ? If you want to play with words go somewhere else

Its a well documented and discussed the fact that Armenia and in particular Karabagh were the underdogs both weaponry as well as geography.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh_War#Weapons_vacuum

Weapons vacuum

As the disintegration of the Soviet Union became a reality for Soviet citizens in the autumn of 1991, both sides sought to acquire weaponry from military caches located throughout Karabakh. The initial advantage tilted in Azerbaijan's favor. During the Cold War, the Soviet military doctrine for defending the Caucasus had outlined a strategy where Armenia would be a combat zone in the event that NATO member Turkey were to have invaded from the west. Thus, there were only three divisions stationed in the Armenian SSR and no airfields, while Azerbaijan had a total of five divisions and five military airfields. Furthermore, Armenia had approximately 500 railroad cars of ammunition in comparison to Azerbaijan's 10,000.[89]

Trying to put a spin on the story with your usual anti Armenian needs to be challenged.
Beyond that, discussing a well regurgitated history is almost pointless.

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[lampron]

Re: Remember 13 JUNE 1992: Day of INFAMY

Without Russian weapons Azerbaijani forces would not have lost most of Karabakh

Gods sake, lets be logical.

Always test your argument.

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Do you have anything to say about the subject of this thread ? If you want to play with words go somewhere else

[londontsi]

Re: Remember 13 JUNE 1992: Day of INFAMY

Without Russian weapons Armenian forces would not have re-captured most of Karabakh

Without Russian weapons Azerbaijani forces would not have lost most of Karabakh

Gods sake, lets be logical.

Always test your argument.

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[Vrej1915]

Re: Remember 13 JUNE 1992: Day of INFAMY

Without Russian weapons Armenian forces would not have re-captured most of Karabakh

In 1992 when Armenian self defense forces took Lachin, NATO condemned the Armenia side. When Armenians were being massacred NATO was silent. The US, or France, or any other Western power have not given Armenia a single bullet

Russia and Armenia have common interests; But Russia wants to keep foreign powers out of the region. Armenia as a small country, with a long history of foreign rule, is in no position to play power politics. Russia may have changed sides in 1992, but there must have been reasons. Armenia cannot afford to upset Russia, the alternative is worse. Intelligent leaders recognize this fact. Even Turkey is not a completely independent actor

My Dear:
You mean soviet made arms, or deliveries by Russia??
In last case, what delivery do you consider to state such a clear cut version of history?