Kurdish-Turkish Clashes

[Azad]

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It is annoying when we mix compassion with reality. We live on a small territory (1/10 of the original ) with 40% poverty, yet it is considered the last frontier of civility. We did the same mistake many times in our history by feeling compassionate, thinking we can share our territories with the new settlers. At one time the azeris and the turks were a small tribe that we gradually let in also. The US created this imbalance in the region, it has all the territory and that capital to feel compassionate for what they caused.

[Artashes]

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Armenia's ability of providing refuge and a permanent home to Armenians (from war torn middle east) to their forefathers land has produced less than respectable results.

I will not mention of the thousands upon thousands of Armenia-born who have left and leave Armenia for the well known reasons.

For Armenia to stand up gallantly and offer home to other ethnic groups is farcical to say the least.

Having got all that off my chest, I have to say I have the greatest respect for the Yezidis and the Assyrians from our common history.

I am not saying we should not help them but I am describing ourselves like the man of a family who cannot look after his kids, goes to offer charity to the neighbours kids.

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Well reasoned post, and I agree in principle . However, I disagree with your use of "farcical".
If we are sincere in our offer, then it is not a farce. If we are going to be honest then we need to inform that we ourselves are hard pressed and all we have is the land and safety to offer, and not much else.
Personally I'm concerned for them.
It seems clear by Artsahk's post that the Yisidiz citizens of Hayastan are ready to step up to the plate.
If our people can find it within ourselves to of them shelter with sincerity, I think it's the right thing to do, and actually incumbent upon us to do this.
I commend Bako for his words and am honored by them.

[londontsi]

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Armenia's ability of providing refuge and a permanent home to Armenians (from war torn middle east) to their forefathers land has produced less than respectable results.

I will not mention of the thousands upon thousands of Armenia-born who have left and leave Armenia for the well known reasons.

For Armenia to stand up gallantly and offer home to other ethnic groups is farcical to say the least.

Having got all that off my chest, I have to say I have the greatest respect for the Yezidis and the Assyrians from our common history.

I am not saying we should not help them but I am describing ourselves like the man of a family who cannot look after his kids, goes to offer charity to the neighbours kids.

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[Joseph]

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Notwithstanding origins, equating Yezdis to the Sunni Kurds is simply inaccurate. It would almost be like equating Kurds to Iranians. Everything else aside, if there is any nation that has been there for Armenia in her darkest hours of need, it has been not Russia, not the West, not France, but the Yezdi people. They fought selflessly shoulder to shoulder with Armenians during Sardarabat, and have a notable presence on the frontlines of Artsakh today as well. Their contributions and devotion to Armenia is solid going back into history.


As regards settlement of Yezdis in Artsakh:



http://asbarez.com/126599/iraqi-yazi...le-in-armenia/

Agree

[Artashes]

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Notwithstanding origins, equating Yezdis to the Sunni Kurds is simply inaccurate. It would almost be like equating Kurds to Iranians. Everything else aside, if there is any nation that has been there for Armenia in her darkest hours of need, it has been not Russia, not the West, not France, but the Yezdi people. They fought selflessly shoulder to shoulder with Armenians during Sardarabat, and have a notable presence on the frontlines of Artsakh today as well. Their contributions and devotion to Armenia is solid going back into history.


As regards settlement of Yezdis in Artsakh:



http://asbarez.com/126599/iraqi-yazi...le-in-armenia/

I will take your words and Artsahk's readiness to accept them to heart .
I relent and would accept them with the same open arms as you and Artsahk .
Having come come a refugee families and finding shelter, this would personally sooth my spirit. However it's not about my spirit but their need. It does seem like the right thing to do.
Thanks for clarifying, I needed it.

[Artsakh]

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Notwithstanding origins, equating Yezdis to the Sunni Kurds is simply inaccurate. It would almost be like equating Kurds to Iranians. Everything else aside, if there is any nation that has been there for Armenia in her darkest hours of need, it has been not Russia, not the West, not France, but the Yezdi people. They fought selflessly shoulder to shoulder with Armenians during Sardarabat, and have a notable presence on the frontlines of Artsakh today as well. Their contributions and devotion to Armenia is solid going back into history.


As regards settlement of Yezdis in Artsakh:

... the leadership of Nagorno-Karabakh expressed readiness earlier in August to grant asylum to the displaced Yazidis. A senior official in Stepanakert referred to Yazidis as “an integral part of the Armenian people.”

http://asbarez.com/126599/iraqi-yazidis-willing-to-settle-in-armenia/

[Artashes]

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First off the Yisidiz are Kurds. I not only do not have any animosity towards them, but am moved by their refusal to harm us when we were STARVING , EXHAUSTED , and being FORCED to march to our DEATH. However I do not think bring them to Hayastan to settle is the correct move for us or them. I also agree with Azad on their responsibility or lack thereof when it comes to procreating, ie; squirting out kids. I do not mean offense to the , but if you don't connect responsibility with bringing children into this world, well, hmmm, that's actually a crime you are commiting to the children you are bring into this world and a crime to your nieghbor .
Responsibility and restraint do have a place although niether is generally brought into play throughout this weird world we live in.
The addressing of their plight as well as ALL others in a rotten situation deserves both compassion , understanding, without delay.
The manipulators of this world are creating this situation on purpose to confuse many issues so they can reap control and other benefits.
By trying to put band aids on everything instead of addressing the primary cause, literally means death to the patient.
USA/Europe are exacerbateing the situation under the fraudulent guise of being the righteous. How god damned sick is that??? Answer ..; pervertidly sick.
I do not think the perverted sick actions of the west and their cronies is going to be solve by us relocating Yisidiz to Hayastan , but rather will forward their sick plan.
I think more serious and intelligent consideration needs to be put into play for Yisidiz and others benifit.
Unfortunately their sick forces at play are actually countering ANY attempt at sanity.
Look at Syria and who has been supporting --- CHAOS --- !!!!!
Chaos is what's desired by the richest, most powerful on the planet, directed where they choose.
If that group is not addressed, expect more of the same.

[Azad]

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The Yezidis are not Kurds

Yezidis are the “kurds” that retained their original religion. They both originated from the same region (North Western Iran) expanding North West into Armenian territories. They all have 10+ kids irresponsibly. I do not have any animosity towards them, except culturally they are too alien with the Armenians. We already have 35.000 of them in Armenia that is around 1% of the population. As I mentioned before, we lost 9/10 of our territory to the same tribe and NOT the turks. They can make something out of the 9/10 of Armenia (if they have it in them) instead of destroying with neglect and moving to new pastures. Armenia will not benefit from them other than having more nomads living in the country side. Armenia is on the path of IT and not sheep herding.

[Joseph]

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The Yezidis are not Kurds though the Kurds claim them to be and even if they were Kurds, they are not aligned with the majority Sunni Kurds and have (the Yezidis) always lived amicably with Armenians. It also should be noted that amongst Kurds, there are those that have helped Armenians (Dersim, Sheko, and various Alevi tribes) during the genocide- my grandfathers life was saved by Dersim Kurds. The Dersim often came to Armenians aid during the Genocide and for this they suffere under Ataturk in the 20's and 30's. The Yezidis and Assyrians suffered and fough alongside us. No one is going to help them and they are suffering again at the hands of Kurds, Arabs, and Turks. Having several thousand each come to Armenia to live as Armenian citizens will enrich Armenia and be the right thing to do. I agree with you Artashes.

[Artashes]

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My family lived with and I have some Assyrian members amongst my cousins. I love them like brothers. I didn't know about the situation between Armenians and Assyrians in Lebanon but despite that, I support them and know that the suffered with us and fought along side us during the Genocides. I think if possible, Armenia should take in not just Armenian, but Assyrian and Yezidi refugees into Armenia and Artsakh (especially in Artsakh)

Compassion for the plight of others is to show understanding and through understanding to have feelings for others. That's the opposite of being self centered and only careing about yourself.
A sacrifice by definition, is to give up something you want to keep or cherish. To give up something that is valueless to you or worth nothing is a false sacrifice.
I am loath to give up one square inch of our remaining land for ever so many obvious and not so obvious reasons.
I find nothing wrong with any country desiring to remain homogenous . I do not think its racist to desire to have an homogenous base country.
However when another is in a despair and a despirit plight, that can challenge my desire for an homogenous place for us and bring into question whether we have any heart for anyone else other than ourselves..
The greed of those who came from somewhere else and stole our and others land like the turcs and kerds have done, has left many in a despirit situation.
Ideally , the murderous thieves should recognize they have no place for the Assyrians to live and give them back an area they can legitimately call theirs where they can feel safe.
However we know the turc and kerd are heartless murdering thievs who care ONLY for themselves.
The Yisidiz are kerds and came in with the original kerds long ago and simply a branch of same people.
I understand as our family was marched to the desert of der zor that when they passed by a certain group of Yisidiz that the turcs tried to provoke them into killing us and they (Yisidiz) refufused. This story has had a profound impact on our story and psych.
I can't help but think with all the god damned land that the thieve and bigots have that they cannot step up to the plate but we who are hard pressed are the ones to make a sacrifice is simply ass backwards.
Ass backwards is what happens when any fool accepts a murderer or thief as ligitimate as the world at large has accepted the turc & kerd.
A God damned ass backward world.
Don't you think the kerd should step up to the plate and help his Yisidiz brother???
With all that open land in Syria that the heartless , murdering , thieving kerds is conniving to get RIGHT NOW in their insatiable quest as the theives they are, that a place cannot be carved out for these people ???
The kerd and turc are CREATING this situation.
Yes, we --- cannot --- show heartlessness as the butcher turc and kerd do. Absolutely not.
Don't you think the mighty of this world should step up to the plate instead of just running their mouths and heaping more & more onto their plate ?????