Kurdish-Turkish Clashes

[Azad]

Re: Kurdish-Turkish Clashes

Armenia should take in not just Armenian, but Assyrian and Yezidi refugees into Armenia and Artsakh (especially in Artsakh)

The kurds are living on 9/10 of our original homeland. Why take on the Yezdi/kurds if they cannot do anything on their own.

[Joseph]

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Reareading post and thought I wasn't clear on some points, so to clarify ...
When I said "as on who has met a limited number of black people ..." --- I should have said "like one who has met a limited number of black people" --- I've met many blacks and lived in their community.
Again, when I said that one could not project that on the entire Assyr community, I should have also informed that about blacks as well.
Unlike moss who could not accept that other people have experienced horror or genocide, and that we suffered the greatest, which is exactly the same disgusting thing that the I-srael govt spews from their bigoted conniving mouth, I'm pointing out two things ... (1) the Assyrians suffered an attempt by the heartless kerds and turcs to wipe them off this planet, and a also the black people's suffered horror is no less a horror than ours. And (2) we AND the Assyrian fought (a) has best as we could at that time (b) we often fought together , side by side.

Never been to Lebanon , maybe that specific group of Assyr carry an animosity toward Hayr in general. It sure sounds like that from Armnuke's post. However I know that the Assyr in the kerd part of iraq have and are experiencing basically the same thing that the Hayr left in the stolen western Armenia and Anatolia are and have experience. Both kerd and turc on an (1) hourly , (2) daily , (3) yearly ... basis are reminded that their land is not theirs and they better STFU or fear for their lives.
The kerd & turc try to present that we both participate equally without any coercion , however they both lie through their teeth.
Everyone who is honest and informed can relate to BOTH kerd and turc lying right ? We know they are liers by their very nature , correct ?
Think you could be safe in either (1) Anatolia , or (2) kerd area of Iraq (NOT kerdistan ) if you said respectively, this is my natural homeland that you stole ??? You be dead meat.
The kerd and turc are heartless, calloused murderers, and theives.
They have been since the 1st day they came to either area.
They haven't changed.
Please don't mistake geopoliticle PR for change in character by either the terd or kurt.
They steal and kill, you disagree with that you experience their savage, nomadic, xxxxxxx act.
Don't be fooled by 2016 modern guise of either. They are still savage , nomadic xxxxxxxs.

My family lived with and I have some Assyrian members amongst my cousins. I love them like brothers. I didn't know about the situation between Armenians and Assyrians in Lebanon but despite that, I support them and know that the suffered with us and fought along side us during the Genocides. I think if possible, Armenia should take in not just Armenian, but Assyrian and Yezidi refugees into Armenia and Artsakh (especially in Artsakh)

[Artashes]

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I have no dought Armnuke is relating his experience in Lebanon accurately and forthright.
As one who has met a limited group of black people and seen an disgusting and unseemly group, so perchance is Armnuke's experience. (however) to project that on those relatively few Assyrians that are left on the planet, I think is a gross misrepresentation.
According to all I've heard, Eddo is right. They fought to the last man. And often, side by side with us.
In the battles we shared fighting the inhuman turd & kurt , not one of US ran away to save ourselves.
And when there were no more Assyrians left to fight for, but there were still Armenians, and when they knew there wasn't a chance in hell the fight could be won, they stayed and fought.
A true friend is that cold lifeless body laying next to your dead body.
A lotta dead Assyr body's were found mixed TOGETHER with a lotta dead Hayr body's.
We fought together and died together in 1915.
I ain't gonna forget that.

Reareading post and thought I wasn't clear on some points, so to clarify ...
When I said "as on who has met a limited number of black people ..." --- I should have said "like one who has met a limited number of black people" --- I've met many blacks and lived in their community.
Again, when I said that one could not project that on the entire Assyr community, I should have also informed that about blacks as well.
Unlike moss who could not accept that other people have experienced horror or genocide, and that we suffered the greatest, which is exactly the same disgusting thing that the I-srael govt spews from their bigoted conniving mouth, I'm pointing out two things ... (1) the Assyrians suffered an attempt by the heartless kerds and turcs to wipe them off this planet, and a also the black people's suffered horror is no less a horror than ours. And (2) we AND the Assyrian fought (a) has best as we could at that time (b) we often fought together , side by side.

Never been to Lebanon , maybe that specific group of Assyr carry an animosity toward Hayr in general. It sure sounds like that from Armnuke's post. However I know that the Assyr in the kerd part of iraq have and are experiencing basically the same thing that the Hayr left in the stolen western Armenia and Anatolia are and have experience. Both kerd and turc on an (1) hourly , (2) daily , (3) yearly ... basis are reminded that their land is not theirs and they better STFU or fear for their lives.
The kerd & turc try to present that we both participate equally without any coercion , however they both lie through their teeth.
Everyone who is honest and informed can relate to BOTH kerd and turc lying right ? We know they are liers by their very nature , correct ?
Think you could be safe in either (1) Anatolia , or (2) kerd area of Iraq (NOT kerdistan ) if you said respectively, this is my natural homeland that you stole ??? You be dead meat.
The kerd and turc are heartless, calloused murderers, and theives.
They have been since the 1st day they came to either area.
They haven't changed.
Please don't mistake geopoliticle PR for change in character by either the terd or kurt.
They steal and kill, you disagree with that you experience their savage, nomadic, xxxxxxx act.
Don't be fooled by 2016 modern guise of either. They are still savage , nomadic xxxxxxxs.

[Artashes]

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Assyrians do not hate Armenians. In fact the opposite. We have history together good and bad. Assyrians are good fighters. We carry the torch for the Assyrians to one day we can give them some of their land. I cannot believe that Assyrians will fight against Armenians. If what you say its true then they can say Armenians betrayed us on a major battle with Turks in 1915 and left when they said they will fight with them. All of the Assyrian fighters were killed by Turks.

I have met Assyrians, have Assyrian friend and been to their Church.

el assorinarenist vad me ghosatsegh (speak)

I have no dought Armnuke is relating his experience in Lebanon accurately and forthright.
As one who has met a limited group of black people and seen an disgusting and unseemly group, so perchance is Armnuke's experience. (however) to project that on those relatively few Assyrians that are left on the planet, I think is a gross misrepresentation.
According to all I've heard, Eddo is right. They fought to the last man. And often, side by side with us.
In the battles we shared fighting the inhuman turd & kurt , not one of US ran away to save ourselves.
And when there were no more Assyrians left to fight for, but there were still Armenians, and when they knew there wasn't a chance in hell the fight could be won, they stayed and fought.
A true friend is that cold lifeless body laying next to your dead body.
A lotta dead Assyr body's were found mixed TOGETHER with a lotta dead Hayr body's.
We fought together and died together in 1915.
I ain't gonna forget that.

[Eddo211]

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I'm not so fond of the Assyrians as well.
During the Lebanese Civil War, the Assyrians allied themselves with the fascist Christian Lebanese Forces militia (ouwwet) and fought against the Armenians.
Every Assyrian I've met despises Armenians. One even told me that they prefer Muslims over Armenians. They're jealous as hell that they don't have a home land and we have one.

Assyrians do not hate Armenians. In fact the opposite. We have history together good and bad. Assyrians are good fighters. We carry the torch for the Assyrians to one day we can give them some of their land. I cannot believe that Assyrians will fight against Armenians. If what you say its true then they can say Armenians betrayed us on a major battle with Turks in 1915 and left when they said they will fight with them. All of the Assyrian fighters were killed by Turks.

I have met Assyrians, have Assyrian friend and been to their Church.

el assorinarenist vad me ghosatsegh (speak)

[Shant03]

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Our land and wealth.
They are still fighting over that to this day.

Incredible.

[Azad]

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They both wanted the same thing ... Our land and wealth.
They are still fighting over that to this day.

That sums it up.

[Artashes]

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I'm not so fond of the Assyrians as well.
During the Lebanese Civil War, the Assyrians allied themselves with the fascist Christian Lebanese Forces militia (ouwwet) and fought against the Armenians.
Every Assyrian I've met despises Armenians. One even told me that they prefer Muslims over Armenians. They're jealous as hell that they don't have a home land and we have one.

The animosity between us and Assyr is more than their jealousness you mention and goes back much longer ago. All the way back to Haig & Bell. I read read somewhere they were the most vicious people of the era. I also read that one of the Armenian rulers who battled them, when he caught the Assyr ruler he was fighting, skinned him alive and made him eat his own flesh.
The hatred between us and them goes back long and is deep.
We have stood up for them in modern times moreso than the other way around. I couldn't emaginable giving them any kind of real power. Still, I think it's incumbent upon us to do the right thing toward them.

If the Kurds start winning in South and Eastern Turkey, which I believe they will, we have to act in a pragmatic way and take sides with the Kurds, rather than NATO Turkey.
At least Kurdish majority party, HDP, admitted and apologized for Kurdish actions during the Genocide. Better than denialist Turkey.

--- Kurd party admits genocide --- I read that too. Nothing more than a politicle ploy. When asked if any compensation was forthcoming , the reply was ... NO, the apology is enough. They are willing to run their mouth , the end. Every apology I've read goes from --- I'm sorry to the turc made us do it. Usually in the same sentence. Their apology is for public appearance and nothing more. You would need special scientific equipment to measure the depth of their shallowness.
But again I have to agree on your pragmatic reasoning. But it's with ever so great reluctance.
I cannot figure out who got less heart, kerd or turc, and no surprise how those two allied to our destruction. They both wanted the same thing ... Our land and wealth.
They are still fighting over that to this day.
Liked Mher's idea the best.
Ya, pragmatism wins for now.
Our march from the ashes of death continues.

[Joseph]

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If the Kurds start winning in South and Eastern Turkey, which I believe they will, we have to act in a pragmatic way and take sides with the Kurds, rather than NATO Turkey.
At least Kurdish majority party, HDP, admitted and apologized for Kurdish actions during the Genocide. Better than denialist Turkey.

I agree with this 100%.

[armnuke]

Re: Kurdish-Turkish Clashes

If the Kurds start winning in South and Eastern Turkey, which I believe they will, we have to act in a pragmatic way and take sides with the Kurds, rather than NATO Turkey.
At least Kurdish majority party, HDP, admitted and apologized for Kurdish actions during the Genocide. Better than denialist Turkey.