Armenian Officer Axed By Azeri Colleague

[xBaron Dants]

Originally posted by Shahumyan
As for leaving it here, having differences in ideeology shouldnt make one stop debate. You can at least exlpain why you have such a nationalist ideology, and what grounds, and how on earth you think its progressive.

I don't care if it's progressive or not. It is just the only thing that comes close to guaranteeing my country's survival.

We've lived in the same country as the Turks, the Russians, the Azeris, the Persians and many others, and we have pretty much always been disadvantaged or disregarded. I love my country and my people waaaaay too much to try that again.

[Shahumyan]

"I don't care if it's progressive or not. It is just the only thing that comes close to guaranteeing my country's survival.

We've lived in the same country as the Turks, the Russians, the Azeris, the Persians and many others, and we have pretty much always been disadvantaged or disregarded. I love my country and my people waaaaay too much to try that again."

Right
Why do you keep stating its your country? Whose running it my dear Baron? The only way it could be your country if you were in the Armenian Ruling class.
answer me this, "Which class has power over Armenia?" simple question, please answer me.

"Did you compare Zoravar Antranig to this idiot?"

- Yes, look from the Turks percpective, gonna be exactly the same as your, coz those with power (ruling class) have the power to retard history, and both our ruling classes have done this.

"In war times, yes. Have you heard about the Azeri woman living in Stepanakert who is actually employed by the National Radio Station of Artsakh?"

- Well done, anecdotal evidence.
What about the graves of those with Azeri surnames on them which have been smashed all across Armenia? and are now used as rubbish pits? People still flee because they have an Azeri husband/wife and they cant live in Armenia.

Enger Mouse,
im actually in the middle of a booklet learning about historical materialism, what is your point, maybe i can learn and correct myself?

[xBaron Dants]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Shahumyan [B]

"Right
Why do you keep stating its your country? Whose running it my dear Baron? The only way it could be your country if you were in the Armenian Ruling class.
answer me this, "Which class has power over Armenia?" simple question, please answer me."

Why is it my country? Because my people live there. My language is spoken there. My songs are sung there.
Sure, the political situation isn't the best now, but we must strive to make it better. A simple question for you: who had power in Soviet Armenia? The Armenian workers riiiiiight?

"- Yes, look from the Turks percpective, gonna be exactly the same as your, coz those with power (ruling class) have the power to retard history, and both our ruling classes have done this."

Zoravar Antranig was a military general to whom we probably owe Armenia's existence today. Comparing him to a guy who kills another soldier in his sleep is senseless. And the situations are very different too.

"- Well done, anecdotal evidence.
What about the graves of those with Azeri surnames on them which have been smashed all across Armenia? and are now used as rubbish pits? People still flee because they have an Azeri husband/wife and they cant live in Armenia."

I think that has mostly been done out of frustration towards the fact that anything Armenian in Nakhichevan has been pillaged (and Western Armenia), and the same was going to happen to anything Armenian that was in Artsakh.

[Artsakhtsi]

Originally posted by Shahumyan "
What about the graves of those with Azeri surnames on them which have been smashed all across Armenia? and are now used as rubbish pits? People still flee because they have an Azeri husband/wife and they cant live in Armenia.

What about so many armenian churches and sacred places that've been destroyed during the war. They even kept their guns in our church in Baku, couse they knew that we would never bomb our holy church!
Did you know, that we didn't touch their mosque in Shushi, it's still there........

So, plz don't . . .

[xBaron Dants]

Originally posted by Artsakhtsi What about so many armenian churches and sacred places that've been destroyed during the war. They even kept their guns in our church in Baku, couse they knew that we would never bomb our holy church!
Did you know, that we didn't touch their mosque in Shushi, it's still there........

So, plz don't . . .

The Mosque in Shushi is actually going to be renovated I think...I don't know if it's the Azeri or the Iranian one though.

[Artsakhtsi]

Originally posted by Baron Dants The Mosque in Shushi is actually going to be renovated I think...I don't know if it's the Azeri or the Iranian one though.

See, that's my point. To renovate not destroy.

[dstyle]

the mosque is the iranian one i believe.

[Shahumyan]

ive been to that mosque on 2 occasians and its bombeed to a thousand pieces, its not even a mosque anymore. So "Artzakhti" dont tell me the Armenian Army didnt touch their mosques....thats just a lie.

"Why is it my country? Because my people live there. My language is spoken there. My songs are sung there.
Sure, the political situation isn't the best now, but we must strive to make it better. A simple question for you: who had power in Soviet Armenia? The Armenian workers riiiiiight?"

the same applies to Glendale, i dont see you going to Glendale. This shows how illogical your argument is. You go to Narmak in Tehran and everythin is in Armenian, is that Armenia? according to your specific factors taken into consideration, yet it is...
Concerning Soviet Armenia a) it was the victim of Stalinist degeneration, but at least the CP beurocrats were Armenian. Even then the armenian people had more control and influence over what happened.

"I think that has mostly been done out of frustration towards the fact that anything Armenian in Nakhichevan has been pillaged (and Western Armenia), and the same was going to happen to anything Armenian that was in Artsakh."
- And i suppose the Azeris did it because they have an anti-armo gene did they?
-No they did it because their beurocrats were stirring nationalist hatred up because they knew the union was gonna split. This is what happens when you open up the communist party to non-communists.
- The Armenians who continue to smash these graves do so because they too have been influenced by nationalist hatred by the government, hence why you have programs about the military EVERY DAY on the national TV. the same occurs on the azeri side.

"What about so many armenian churches and sacred places that've been destroyed during the war. They even kept their guns in our church in Baku, couse they knew that we would never bomb our holy church!"

-I personally would have blown the church up, and not been a dogmatic idiot. Yes, let the people being shot at by the bullets from the depot die, but as long as we have an institution which fools the masses, we shall live on...

Also baron danz, you did well to just skip the bit where i asked you "Which class has power over Armenia?" simple question, please answer me". Can you give it another go maybe?

[xBaron Dants]

Alright, so non communists will never be involved in the decision making process right? Hooray for progress. I smell totalitarianism...

Glendale Shmendale.....lame comparison. Armenia is HISTORICALLY Armenian. That is where our forefathers, and their forefathers and their forefathers came from. That is where our history has been created. Not Glendale.

And my reply to "who is running Armenia now" was "who was running Armenia back in the Soviet days?" Ooh, at least the CP members were Armenian. So are Kocharian, Sarksyan, etc....And they don't have a Stalin on top of them at least.

[Artsakhtsi]

Originally posted by Shahumyan ive been to that mosque on 2 occasians and its bombeed to a thousand pieces, its not even a mosque anymore. So "Artzakhti" dont tell me the Armenian Army didnt touch their mosques....thats just a lie.

For the last time, it was not bombed by our army, it might be a little bit ruined..noothing more.
Stop with your bull xxxx, i'm from Stepanakert...and all my family is there, i'm not just sitting here and making a fairy tales.