Tensions rising....

[vrej]

Baron Dantz, communism does not recognize nationality, it doesn't recognize Armenianness, or freedom. The people you know who are commy and say they are patriotic, and help the Armenian community are not real communists in the first place.

I'm talking about people who call themselves commy and actually act and speak as so. those can not be concidered Armenian, this is my stance.

Communism in Armenia almost took our identity, culture, and religion away, can people who carried this out and enforced it be concidered Armenian? or are they just merely communists who beleive in the "well-being" of the working class universally?

[Mikoyan]

Vrej,
"Baron Dantz, communism does not recognize nationality, it doesn't recognize Armenianness, or freedom. The people you know who are commy and say they are patriotic, and help the Armenian community are not real communists in the first place."
Dear oh dear oh dear.
A) communism recognises that there are clearly different races and cultures etc ie what an inarticulate idiot would call "Armenianness(!)". That why many a book has been written on "the national question" etc etc. So thats your first mistake
B) Communism believes that there should be freedom. Thats why we fight for the liberation of workers from their "wage-slave" state. How many times have you read the communist manifesto and seen where it rights "in a communist state there should be no freedom". de facto showing stalin was not a communist

"Communism in Armenia almost took our identity, culture, and religion away, can people who carried this out and enforced it be concidered Armenian? or are they just merely communists who beleive in the "well-being" of the working class universally?"
Is that why even in a deformed socialist state millions were spent on building for culture. You think Kirk built the Opera house? or maybe he built the 90,000 stadium, or maybe he built the place where the hamhaygagan games closing ceremony was, i forget the name.
Its funny you see, because under capitalism, as armenia can never be more than a semi-colonial state, armenia is the market for all the cheap bilge pop music straight from LA such as Britney etc etc. Getseh capitalism for preserving armenian culture, solid argument you got there mate...


Tigran,
"What communist boy doesnt understand is that people have more interests than money. he goes on against capitalists but doesnt realize that those same capitalists like kirk kirkorian are helping their nation. not profiting from its misery. just because you are a worthless scum that doesnt have a shred of love for his nation dont think that everyone else is like that."
-How much did Kirk Krikorian pay for the war effort for "our great nation"? xxxx all.
-As a capitalist he has capitalist interests at heart, and will only make a move if it provides greater flexibility for capitalism to grow like the cancer it is on the armenian people

"vrej guys don't listen to mikoyan or watever his name is... he's just another commy fighting for the working class... when will these idiots stop thinking about the workin class and start thinking about their own people.. the Armenians."
-Lol, yes i forgot Armenia doesnt have a working class, or actually, its working class is around 90% of population. boy i am so selfish for fighting for these interests and not the capitalist class.

"communism is done, its over with. If your a commy you aint Armenian. so get lost."
From where, LA where you are? why the xxxx wud i come there again?

Baron,
"Of course. Heck, Russia might even cut us a deal for their weapons, but I still don't see anyone in Armenia making a profit."
-Try Serj and co's grip on petrol which is a major drain on Armenian peoples money, and most cant afford.
-Armenia also i believe makes ammunitions and so on, it cant make big weapons as its a semi-colonial nation and cant hold the power to do so.


TigranJamharian,

"listen you communist, how about you stop your fronting and your stupidity. stop putting words in people's mouths.
How would the Armenian capitalist make money off arnament? There are no companies in Armenia that produce war weapons. stop with your useless repetitive bullsh!t"
-Well i just proved you wrong, go research on our glorious Armenia, and you'll know wtf is really happening

[vrej]

I am not from L.A, and i don't knwo why you would say i am. and i am not even going to bother argueing with you on this subject cus i have wasted my time doing so with others in the this forum and out, and have proven them wrong on many occasions. you continue on beleiveing in what you beleive, and i know by me typing up a few lines are pointless and would not change your mind. The only reason i would argue someone like you is so that others wont fall into the same dirt hole you already have, but i think people in this chat room are smart enough to decide on their own.

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by Mikoyan
A) communism recognises that there are clearly different races and cultures etc ie what an inarticulate idiot would call "Armenianness(!)". That why many a book has been written on "the national question" etc etc. So thats your first mistake

Apparently you haven't read Karl Marx' works, particularly Communist Manifesto, or the writings of Engels. They did believe that family, race, religion, are all barriers that hold back the proletariat and should be eliminated, as in mixed, this is what is behind 'diversity is our strength'. Your assertion is not in keeping with Marxist ideals for they believed in egalitarianism, which if you recognize races and cultures you know there are inequalities.

Originally posted by Mikoyan B) Communism believes that there should be freedom. Thats why we fight for the liberation of workers from their "wage-slave" state. How many times have you read the communist manifesto and seen where it rights "in a communist state there should be no freedom". de facto showing stalin was not a communist

Communism doesn't believe in freedom, it believes in equality and to achieve equality you need a powerful overlord ( the State ) to oversee it. People should understand that "freedom" and "equality" are ideas, abstract concepts, they are not real, but have been used effectively to mind control and manipulate the masses in every which way. This is where Marx confuses equality and freedom for the two are mutually exclusive ideas.

[Mikoyan]

"Apparently you haven't read Karl Marx' works, particularly Communist Manifesto, or the writings of Engels. They did believe that family, race, religion, are all barriers that hold back the proletariat and should be eliminated, as in mixed, this is what is behind 'diversity is our strength'. Your assertion is not in keeping with Marxist ideals for they believed in egalitarianism, which if you recognize races and cultures you know there are inequalities."
-No no, Vrej said communists dont believe there are such things, i simply replied saying we recognise there are, proving him wrong. I didnt say they were progressive things enger.

"Communism doesn't believe in freedom, it believes in equality and to achieve equality you need a powerful overlord ( the State ) to oversee it. People should understand that "freedom" and "equality" are ideas, abstract concepts, they are not real, but have been used effectively to mind control and manipulate the masses in every which way. This is where Marx confuses equality and freedom for the two are mutually exclusive ideas."
-In communism there is no state so....