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  • #11
    How is it possible? How can someone just take a country? Isn't there some law that says "Well, see Mr. Azeri.. this is the independant republic of Armenia, it's a country.. and, sorry to tell you this, but you can't just take a country and call it your own, there's such a thing as international law and all that..."
    "All I know is I'm not a Marxist." -Karl Marx

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    • #12
      Originally posted by Crimson Glow
      That's just silly. America will always side with Turkey, unless some major conflict arises between them in the future. Weather Bush signed that bill or not, Turkey is a greatley needed Muslim alliance in the Middle East. Therefore, the US will never ruffle their feathers, or cause a riff in their partnership by siding with Armenia, no matter WHO the president is.

      That is thanks to a Republican Congress which blocks efforts by those who support legislation such as Sect 907 which was taken out of the for. app. bill for the first time by the Republican leadership under pressure of the Turkish lobby.

      You're right no matter who the President is the US will side with Turkish lobby because it is the republican congress and leadership that produces the legislation that hurts Armenian and blocks the amendments made by the congressmen and women and senators to help Armenia......



      doesn't this belong in the Armenian Politics thread

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      • #13
        Of course it does, but no one goes there and I want to have a discussion about this with as many Armenians as possible, including those who don't usually travel into the "politics" section.

        What allies does Armenia have, if any?
        "All I know is I'm not a Marxist." -Karl Marx

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        • #14
          Please post threads in the appropriate forum. If the people interested in politics don't post here, who will?

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          • #15
            Originally posted by HyeJinx1984
            Of course it does, but no one goes there and I want to have a discussion about this with as many Armenians as possible, including those who don't usually travel into the "politics" section.

            What allies does Armenia have, if any?
            allies: Russia
            Good relations with: India, Iran (though the Muslim connection with Azerbaidjan will always be an issue), France, Greece, Belgium, Italy, Lebanon, Syria. That's all that comes to mind right now.

            Bad relations with: Azerbaidjan and Turkey (obviously), USA (despite all the smiley faces), UK (ugh), Israel (for obvious reasons, despite being one of our main export partners), Pakistan....

            Georgia can become a friend, and potential ally, if things go right with the new government (so far, so good, I'd say).

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            • #16
              Among the allies, you might want to add the 4-5 ex-Soviet republics that have signed the military cooperation agreement with Russia, although only Kazakhstan and Belarus might be reliable, as the others are overwhelmingly Turkic or Muslim. I would also count China as an ally, since they have their own problem with a Turkic minority, the Uighur, and since they resent American domination.
              For Georgia I am not sure, as they aim to weaken Russia's influence in the region. The new president is pro-America and will probably seek to enter his country in a Turkey-Georgia-Azerbaijan alliance supported by the US.
              Finally, you mention that Israel is one our main export partners. I did not know that. Do you know what commodities we are talking about? I assume diamonds.

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              • #17
                Someone on this board once said we could take the Azeris ass in a minute if push comes to shove... well, if this guy can make speeches about whiping Armenia off the map, why don't we kick their ass? Unless we really CAN'T take Azerbaijan.
                "All I know is I'm not a Marxist." -Karl Marx

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by HyeJinx1984
                  Someone on this board once said we could take the Azeris ass in a minute if push comes to shove... well, if this guy can make speeches about whiping Armenia off the map, why don't we kick their ass? Unless we really CAN'T take Azerbaijan.
                  We have no reason to go to war. Artsakh is in our hands, and developing, and we have other priorities. Also, "starting" the war would get us kicked out of the Council of Europe and many other such organizations. But as I said, we don't need to start a war. We just have to make sure that if they come, they'll regret it.

                  jgm, I agree about the countries that signed the collective defense agreement. Also, I don't know what commodities we export to Israel, but diamonds is a good guess. I think around 10% of our exports go to Israel.

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                  • #19
                    I wish Armenia would make some kind of response to this, I want to see what we have planned if the Azeris actually try anything. I've noticed ANCA tends to post things that others say about Armenia, but I have yet to see a document with words FROM Armenia directed to others (like this Azeri XXXX).
                    "All I know is I'm not a Marxist." -Karl Marx

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by HyeJinx1984
                      I wish Armenia would make some kind of response to this, I want to see what we have planned if the Azeris actually try anything. I've noticed ANCA tends to post things that others say about Armenia, but I have yet to see a document with words FROM Armenia directed to others (like this Azeri XXXX).
                      Both president Kocharian and Foreign Affairs Minister Vartan Osganian gave very strong speeches lately, at two seperate events. It was pretty much everywhere around the Armenian news sources.

                      Kocharian, talking about Artsakh, at a Council of Europe meeting in Strasbourg said that Artsakh has never been part of Azerbaidjan, not even in the Azerbaidjan SSR, and therefore voided the azeri argument of territorial integrity. When an Azeri journalist (or diplomat, I don't know) asked whether he had fought for Artsakh against Azerbaidjan, he said that of course he did, and he had no other choice as, because of azeri aggression, his children were unable to live a normal childhood, due to constant bombings from Azerbaidjan, yevayln. He also turned to the Turkish delegation and said something to the extent of "you have tried to get rid of us, and still hamper us with your illegal blockade. Yet, that blockade has just encouraged us to become more creative, and we have, despite your efforts, become an even stronger nation". Even Armenia's opposition, who hates anything Kocharian, were impressed by this speech.

                      As for Oskanian, he was speaking at a NATO/PfP meeting in Istambul (almost all other countries were represented by their presidents..but Kocharian refused, citing Turkey's unconstructive approach) when he said that Armenia would veto Turkey's candidacy as president of the OSCE for the year 2007 (Turkey was the only candidate so far), as it does not feel safe with Turkey, who has constantly been biased and unfair towards the Artsakh issue, leading the main organization that is supposed to find a solution. As a result of this "threat" by the tiny nation of Armenia, Turkey withdrew its candidacy. In my opinion, it was a big diplomatic victory. Oskanian (as well as Defence Chief Sargsian) have also taken a much bolder approach towards Azerbaidjan lately. While they usually condemned Azerbaidjan's constant calls to war (this is nothing new....and I was surprised that you were so surprised about it), they just told Azerbaidjan that if they continue these senseless actions, Azerbaidjan will regret it, and will pay a heavy price.

                      There are countless other speeches and replies that Armenian authorities have made. You can find them very easily if you just look around a bit.

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