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  • #11
    Stop beeing so negative because it won't change anything even if you go and shout to the world how much you hated it.
    It still is our homeland, and Armenia is much bigger than yerevan, jan.
    Last edited by Tres Bien; 09-19-2004, 11:42 AM.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by Hayq
      LMFAO! I just came back after a one month vacation from there. I HATED IT!

      It is a tourist town, hotels and condos, they are not for the people living there. It is pathetic, with all that money used they could reopen many of those factories and prevent people from leaving. Thank you for opening your big mouth and accusing me of not knowing what is going on.

      Apparently you yourself have not been there, or probably nowhere further from the town square. I lived with my grandparents and their life is hard. No one in Armenia besides the filth who runs it lives well. Armenia is very corrupt.

      Karabagh war was started by Russia, just like the Abkhazia thing in Georgia, so Russia can hold power in that area. Armenians and Azeris were not bad with one another. I would like any Armenian here, to tell me that Armenians and Azeris were enemies EVEN DURING the Soviet Times...They were not.

      Had we been mature about this and talked over the situation in Karabagh instead of going in there like an idiot losing all those men, we might have had an economy today. We would have recieved Oil from Azerbajian and unrestricted access in Georgian trade.

      You guys talk about trade and war, do you realize that you can not have both at the same time? There is no trade during wartime. After the fall of communism we were supposed to have gotten support from the Disapora and lifted ourself up!

      However, Armenian politics get in the way, and the Dashnaks try to stick their noses into Armenian politics. Political upheavel, war with azerbajian, decreasing population, an ECONOMY BASED ON TOURISM!!!!

      IF there is a war, the Armenian economy will collapse the second a shot is fired, because no one vacations in a country at war! Therefore, a war with azerbajian means Armenia is dead. There is nothing more to it...

      The dictator has to be like hitler, who sweeps the nation of its filthy prostitutes and idiot majority. It has to concentrate on Education and the Economy. Education for our children who will run the Economy of tommorow...

      Good, and scary, points.
      "All I know is I'm not a Marxist." -Karl Marx

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      • #13
        Originally posted by Hayq
        LMFAO! I just came back after a one month vacation from there. I HATED IT!

        It is a tourist town, hotels and condos, they are not for the people living there. It is pathetic, with all that money used they could reopen many of those factories and prevent people from leaving. Thank you for opening your big mouth and accusing me of not knowing what is going on.

        Apparently you yourself have not been there, or probably nowhere further from the town square. I lived with my grandparents and their life is hard. No one in Armenia besides the filth who runs it lives well. Armenia is very corrupt.

        Karabagh war was started by Russia, just like the Abkhazia thing in Georgia, so Russia can hold power in that area. Armenians and Azeris were not bad with one another. I would like any Armenian here, to tell me that Armenians and Azeris were enemies EVEN DURING the Soviet Times...They were not.

        Had we been mature about this and talked over the situation in Karabagh instead of going in there like an idiot losing all those men, we might have had an economy today. We would have recieved Oil from Azerbajian and unrestricted access in Georgian trade.

        You guys talk about trade and war, do you realize that you can not have both at the same time? There is no trade during wartime. After the fall of communism we were supposed to have gotten support from the Disapora and lifted ourself up!

        However, Armenian politics get in the way, and the Dashnaks try to stick their noses into Armenian politics. Political upheavel, war with azerbajian, decreasing population, an ECONOMY BASED ON TOURISM!!!!

        IF there is a war, the Armenian economy will collapse the second a shot is fired, because no one vacations in a country at war! Therefore, a war with azerbajian means Armenia is dead. There is nothing more to it...

        The dictator has to be like hitler, who sweeps the nation of its filthy prostitutes and idiot majority. It has to concentrate on Education and the Economy. Education for our children who will run the Economy of tommorow...
        Ok... let's get this straight. I did not accuse you of anything or at least thats not what my intentions were...I was simply asking you questions about where your views have come from. I just wanted to know if you had been to Armenia. I was merely asking, not accusing.

        Now at the issue at hand.....

        How can you open up your mind to find a solution to a problem when you HATE the problem in itself? "You came back after a one month vacation and HATED IT" It took you a month to realize this? If you hated it so much why didn't you leave instead of staying there and continuing to HATE what you saw and form opinions about the country based on "your" observations with hatred?

        I came back from Armenia about a month ago myself. I not only went past the town square, but into Kharabagh itself. Had you not HATED the country so much, you would've realized and noticed that Kirk Krikorian had donated enough money to open up about 129 new schools. Additionally, the hotels you saw being built were from Kirk Krikorian's money... NOT THE GOVERNMENT and the people building these new hotels are the people living in Yerevan, hence creating new construction jobs.

        If the Kharabagh conflict was started by Russia.... enlighten me. I should like to know how so, because I heard otherwise from a college course I had taken based on Armenian history and let the people here be the judge of that.

        I do agree with you, you can't have trade and war at the same time and I also agree with you that Armenian political party involvement after the Kharabagh war did not help out either.

        And AGAIN... you say you want a dictator. Fine.... let's see you try and live in that country when the dictator takes over. You saw how many people have gotten killed in Iraq over Saddam's regime over the many years. Probably even many murders and rapes by his regime that we don't even know about. Is that how you want Armenia to turn up? You want our people to get secretly murdered and raped?

        I guess no matter what I say, it's not going to change your views....maybe it will... maybe it won't... I don't know. But I certainly don't have the time and energy anymore to argue over something like this over the internet, because it's not worth it.

        Rather than having issues like this divide us Armenians from each other or cause more "HATE" as you've put it earlier.... I'm going to end my part here, extend my hand to you and say welcome to the forums.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by Genuine_Stud
          Ok... let's get this straight. I did not accuse you of anything or at least thats not what my intentions were...I was simply asking you questions about where your views have come from. I just wanted to know if you had been to Armenia. I was merely asking, not accusing.

          Now at the issue at hand.....

          How can you open up your mind to find a solution to a problem when you HATE the problem in itself? "You came back after a one month vacation and HATED IT" It took you a month to realize this? If you hated it so much why didn't you leave instead of staying there and continuing to HATE what you saw and form opinions about the country based on "your" observations with hatred?

          I came back from Armenia about a month ago myself. I not only went past the town square, but into Kharabagh itself. Had you not HATED the country so much, you would've realized and noticed that Kirk Krikorian had donated enough money to open up about 129 new schools. Additionally, the hotels you saw being built were from Kirk Krikorian's money... NOT THE GOVERNMENT and the people building these new hotels are the people living in Yerevan, hence creating new construction jobs.

          If the Kharabagh conflict was started by Russia.... enlighten me. I should like to know how so, because I heard otherwise from a college course I had taken based on Armenian history and let the people here be the judge of that.

          I do agree with you, you can't have trade and war at the same time and I also agree with you that Armenian political party involvement after the Kharabagh war did not help out either.

          And AGAIN... you say you want a dictator. Fine.... let's see you try and live in that country when the dictator takes over. You saw how many people have gotten killed in Iraq over Saddam's regime over the many years. Probably even many murders and rapes by his regime that we don't even know about. Is that how you want Armenia to turn up? You want our people to get secretly murdered and raped?

          I guess no matter what I say, it's not going to change your views....maybe it will... maybe it won't... I don't know. But I certainly don't have the time and energy anymore to argue over something like this over the internet, because it's not worth it.

          Rather than having issues like this divide us Armenians from each other or cause more "HATE" as you've put it earlier.... I'm going to end my part here, extend my hand to you and say welcome to the forums.
          Good, and scary, points.
          "All I know is I'm not a Marxist." -Karl Marx

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          • #15
            My views come from seeing cafes built into parks and monuments. My views come from wandering throughout the city, on foot and bus, and it was bad. Yerevan is a cespool. We need to change that.

            I can honestly say that the villages are SOOO Much lovelier than the cities. Ijevan really caught my attention, and if anything, I am hoping to own a house there and Yerevan...

            C'mon, the first step to victory is being able to accept defeat. Find your weak points, and work on them, until we are a well oiled machine.

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            • #16
              good, and scary, points.
              "All I know is I'm not a Marxist." -Karl Marx

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Hayq
                My views come from seeing cafes built into parks and monuments. My views come from wandering throughout the city, on foot and bus, and it was bad. Yerevan is a cespool. We need to change that.

                I can honestly say that the villages are SOOO Much lovelier than the cities. Ijevan really caught my attention, and if anything, I am hoping to own a house there and Yerevan...

                C'mon, the first step to victory is being able to accept defeat. Find your weak points, and work on them, until we are a well oiled machine.

                Yea.... I pretty much did the same as you did. I was in Armenia for a good three weeks and it was my second time going. I had gone back in 1997 and I actually saw a big change when I went this year. I guess I saw the country more optimistically, yet understood the pestimism of the people, but hamozvadzeyee that it's getting better. At least that's my opinion on it.

                In regards to what you said in the last paragraph, I don't know if what you said referred to me.

                If it didn't, let's just carry on.

                If it did, again...let's just carry on. Haves chga khorotsadz zrootsela internetee vren.

                I think that I made some strong points whether you accept them or not and it's not really a matter of winning the argument... but rather understanding each other's point of view... hence why I don't accept a "defeat".

                Like I said before.... my part ended with what I had said in my previous post. If you want to discuss these topics further with someone.... I suggest you discuss it with the users "Virgil" or "Armenian" because they actually sit down and take the time to discuss things like this very throughly (in contrast to me where I don't have time nor have the energy to want to do it).

                I'm sure you'll get pretty enlightened on what they have to say.

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                • #18
                  alright...well I suppose I will have to wait for their response.

                  And yes, i was directing the last paragraph to you.

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                  • #19
                    Like I said before.... my part ended with what I had said in my previous post. If you want to discuss these topics further with someone.... I suggest you discuss it with the users "Virgil" or "Armenian" because they actually sit down and take the time to discuss things like this very throughly (in contrast to me where I don't have time nor have the energy to want to do it).
                    Sorry, I do not have time myself, which is why if you noticed I only post in certain threads. The only reason I posted here was because a member dragged me into the thread or else I really don't like posting on message boards.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by Hayq
                      My views come from seeing cafes built into parks and monuments. My views come from wandering throughout the city, on foot and bus, and it was bad. Yerevan is a cespool. We need to change that.

                      I can honestly say that the villages are SOOO Much lovelier than the cities. Ijevan really caught my attention, and if anything, I am hoping to own a house there and Yerevan...

                      C'mon, the first step to victory is being able to accept defeat. Find your weak points, and work on them, until we are a well oiled machine.
                      The cafes in the parks are privatly owned...the government has nothing to do with it. When you don't have a "real job" you make your own job, thats how it is in Armenia. My dad was an economist there and right after the independence of Armenia he quit his job and left to do those "privetly" operated buinesses(selling tooth paste, etc...) in Georgia, Russia, you name it...You see cafes all over the place cause people don't want/need their specialty. Hell even doctors get paid 50-100$ a month...which is barely good for a months worth of food. The reasons for the cafes you see can go on and on and the government can't do anything about it...they can't even do anything about themselves. They were in so much dept that they had to lease the national airport...

                      Genuine stud was sayin it changed since 97...I really wanna see that. I haven't been there since I was living there in 98. So I wanna see first hand this "growth".

                      And hayq...how the hell can you say you "hated" it. I can't wait to go there next year(I know I say this every year...but still).

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