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  • #21
    Actually, "privatization" is the biggest BS in Armenian propaganda. These "businessmen" are no more than the cronies in the parliment. Aproximately 10 people hold all of Armenia's wealth in their hands.

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    • #22
      Aproximately 10 people hold all of Armenia's wealth in their hands.
      I can agree with you on something...

      The people who control the gas, electricity, etc...are all hoggin up Armenia's money flow. When you went to Armenia, did you ever visit "kanaker"? Its another city connected to Yerevan, well this guy who owns the gas flow to Armenia just built this HUGE mantion on a hill there. There is no way you can miss it since its so damn BIG, I heard it kinda looks like one of the building in the British Parliament. Anyway...is a high maintenance house like that really necessary to Armenia? The hotel onwer at Vegas is atleast doing some good...what is an Armenian billionair do? Builds a huse ass mantion!

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      • #23
        Kanaker?...hmm...I bet you are talking about Abovyan, and yes, "Dodi" Gago owns the joint. It looks more like a mosque, a mosque with a church built into it.

        Pathetic...really...

        The problem with the Armenian government is that the people who run it know that they are not going to last long, therefore they try to steal as much as possible so they can land safely on their fat arse when they get kicked out.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by Hayq
          Kanaker?...hmm...I bet you are talking about Abovyan, and yes, "Dodi" Gago owns the joint. It looks more like a mosque, a mosque with a church built into it.

          Pathetic...really...

          The problem with the Armenian government is that the people who run it know that they are not going to last long, therefore they try to steal as much as possible so they can land safely on their fat arse when they get kicked out.
          Its before Abovyan, its right at that big bus station in "radiomasht" (I think...) and there is noticable 16 floor builing on the way to there. Thats where kanaker is.

          Yeah...they do steal as much as they can, but this one seems to own the whole thing. Is it really that big? I didn't even know it looked like a church, I just heard it was big and really fansy.

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          • #25
            the really fancy one (rococo style) is owned by someone else...the one around there looks like a mosque, it just has a churhc INISIDE it.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Anonymouse
              One of the fallacies that the economy cannot sustain a population growth is refuted by the capitalist revolution in Europe in which it broke the Malthusian cycle of the feudal ages and since then the population has been increasing.

              Rev. Thomas Malthus 'principles of population' were hardly adhered to in England. It was about the time we were rubbishing the latter part of Darwins work relating to cranial features, skin colour and deviant minds...

              That was why i opened a topic on Poverty and solutions. We date back to 1832 for our first Poor Laws. They were set out so any parish that had people that could not work to feed themselves, it was the responsibility of the parish members to do so.

              But then all of a sudden we had the industrial revolution and bang... Workhouses, nothing more than prisons for those that could not help themselves.

              The reason your population is declining is because there is no work, or help for the poor... After only a week of thought I have the following ideas for you.

              !)Draw up a treaty with the azers/turkey/iran & georgia. Actually, no... Draw the treaty up with the UN. Tell them of your plight, 40% poverty etc. Tell them shoulid either of the 4 afore mentioned armies attack you, you will need their protection. Dismantle your army, with an agreement by all 4 that they will not attack. Give the azers Kharabagh... it is full with armenians, what good is it to them.? Do not argue, make sure the lands you have now are marked out. For the Turks, they can see increased revenue from the blockade being lifted. Again, they have to agree to none violent conduct. For Iran, you have the 20 years of gas you have signed for... Set about caring for your poor, and building your economy... When the unemployed have work, it means your economy is booming. From Mount Ararat alone your stable, safe country should make 1 billion$ from tourists. People will see this, it is your gold, oil, trust me... from that christians across the world will flock to if it is safe land. Were it on American land it would have huge ad boads on now.!!! You just do noy market it right.While your country is so unstable, nobody will insure holiday makers. In honesty, I can't wait to get there... The old headstrong problems you have with other countries around you.. forget them, leave them to an higher punishment.

              I saw someone mention tourism being your bread and butter here... Hooooooooooooooooraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.... You seen the light,, so get on
              ...

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              • #27
                Originally posted by obi
                Draw up a treaty with the azers/turkey/iran & georgia. Actually, no... Draw the treaty up with the UN. Tell them of your plight, 40% poverty etc. Tell them shoulid either of the 4 afore mentioned armies attack you, you will need their protection. Dismantle your army, with an agreement by all 4 that they will not attack. Give the azers Kharabagh... it is full with armenians, what good is it to them.? Do not argue, make sure the lands you have now are marked out. For the Turks, they can see increased revenue from the blockade being lifted. Again, they have to agree to none violent conduct. For Iran, you have the 20 years of gas you have signed for... Set about caring for your poor, and building your economy... When the unemployed have work, it means your economy is booming. From Mount Ararat alone your stable, safe country should make 1 billion$ from tourists. People will see this, it is your gold, oil, trust me... from that christians across the world will flock to if it is safe land. Were it on American land it would have huge ad boads on now.!!! You just do noy market it right.While your country is so unstable, nobody will insure holiday makers. In honesty, I can't wait to get there... The old headstrong problems you have with other countries around you.. forget them, leave them to an higher punishment.
                WHAT?? I really can't understand 95% of this gibberish...
                OK, so make a treaty with the UN to come to our aid if any of our four neighbors attack us? And in the process dismantle our army, the only thing keeping us safe??? First of all there is little threat from our neighbors, Turkey wouldn't dare attack us, it would obliterate their EU chances in one second. And even if they do lose the EU thing, it'd show to the world what a bully they are. Also we have Russian border guards, which I assume could translate to the Russians helping us if Turkey ever attacked. Georgia is in disarray and is trying to improve relations with Armenians, namely getting Javakh region back into its orbit. Attacking the homeland of the Armenians would probably only assure another breakaway movement for Georgia of Javakh wanting to return to Armenia, because who would want to be a part of a country that attacks your homeland? Iran, why the hell would it attack us? Seriously, there is absolutely no conceivable reason. So they can make good with the Azeris? No! Armenia is Iran's best friend in the region, and they have a distrust of Azeris. They are only now trying to improve relations because the US wants to start an attack of Iran from Azerbaijan. And Iran said if that happened they would attack Azerbaijan back, starting a war between the two and the US. Why would they want to lose its ally in the region, Armenia, by attacking it for absolutely no reason. Last, we have Azerbaijan. The only country in the region which has a reason to attack us. They know if they do attack us though they will lose horribly, that is, unless we completely dismantle our army and leave no protection! Why should we leave our protection up to the UN, what would we get out of that except a clear invitation to the Azeris to attack us? UN troops have better things to do than to get caught up in such a war, and why should we trust an outside organization? I have seen at this board many times people saying don't trust anyone, we can only trust oureselves. We have trusted others throughout our history and your plan is a clear invitation to get screwed by the outside world again.
                Also, you seem to say that by dismantling our army, countries will swap various stuff with us? Well for Turkey to maybe take down the blockade AFTER we cede Karabakh (why?!?!? It's ours!) we'd have to drop the genocide recognition as well, and we are certainly not willing to do this. Even if the Armenian government stopped the diaspora wouldn't. And what is this about getting oil from Iran if we do it? They are already building a pipeline, and we will start getting it after that, there is no precondition of getting oil only after we dismantle our army, so there is no reason to do it. You don't seem to know we have good relations with Iran. You don't seem to mention any benefits from Georgia if we follow your plan, because of course there are none. And you also act as if Mt. Ararat is ours... how did you single-handedly get us that back for no reason? The region will still be volitile because of Kurds, and its not like people from all over the world flock to any mountain, let along Mt. Ararat. It would only attract mountain climbers, and no not even in America do they make super tourist attractions out of mountains. At least not ones as big as Ararat.

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                • #28
                  THe Army is going nowhere. The Military stays as long as Turkey, Azeristan, and Georgia have theirs.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by obi
                    After only a week of thought I have the following ideas for you.

                    !)Draw up a treaty with the azers/turkey/iran & georgia. Actually, no... Draw the treaty up with the UN. Tell them of your plight, 40% poverty etc. Tell them shoulid either of the 4 afore mentioned armies attack you, you will need their protection. Dismantle your army, with an agreement by all 4 that they will not attack. Give the azers Kharabagh... it is full with armenians, what good is it to them.? Do not argue, make sure the lands you have now are marked out. For the Turks, they can see increased revenue from the blockade being lifted. Again, they have to agree to none violent conduct. For Iran, you have the 20 years of gas you have signed for... Set about caring for your poor, and building your economy... When the unemployed have work, it means your economy is booming. From Mount Ararat alone your stable, safe country should make 1 billion$ from tourists. People will see this, it is your gold, oil, trust me... from that christians across the world will flock to if it is safe land. Were it on American land it would have huge ad boads on now.!!! You just do noy market it right.While your country is so unstable, nobody will insure holiday makers. In honesty, I can't wait to get there... The old headstrong problems you have with other countries around you.. forget them, leave them to an higher punishment.

                    I saw someone mention tourism being your bread and butter here... Hooooooooooooooooraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.... You seen the light,, so get on
                    ...

                    Haha… after only a week of thought huh? That was the cutest thing I’ve ever read, lol… and what makes you think you’re the first one whose come up with those marvelous ideas? hehe

                    I really appreciate you showing interest in our country and wanting to help, really. But there are some things you aren’t aware of. Iran, Georgia, and Turkey will never attack Armenia. Iran has always had good relations with Armenia. The gas pipeline you mentioned will be completed in 2008. Also, most of Iran’s Northwestern population are Azeri turks and there is a danger of them wanting to be united with Azerbaijan, therefore when it comes to Karabakh, Iran would rather have it stay with Armenians. So Iran is not a threat at all, Azerbaijan is actually jealous of Iran-Armenian relations.
                    When it comes to Georgia, even though Gamsakhurdia sparked separatism toward Armenians, the new president is working to improve its relations with Armenians living in Georgia and Armenia. We might not have perfect relations with Georgia, but they're definitely not a threat.
                    Turkey won’t attack Armenia either (at least not anytime soon), for obvious reasons.

                    You said we should give Karabakh back to Azeris??!! But its ours! It was connected to Armenia in ancient times, then it fell under the Arab rule. Soviets returned it to Armenia but then again Stalin gave it to Azerbaijan as an autonomous region. So in conclusion: it’s ours . Besides all of its population is Armenian and those Muslims harassed them all along. Azeris persecuted Armenians living in Karabakh for over 70 years to drive them out. Just like they did with another ancient Armenian territory Nakhichevan. Besides, even if we return Karabakh, Turkey will still keep its borders closed because of Genocide recognition being on Armenia’s agenda. Don’t tell me we should drop that as well. Also, when has anyone ever returned a piece of land to Armenia? NEVER. They've only taken from us. Now that we’ve gained something that belongs to us, we should hand it back to them? Pshhh…whatever.
                    So basically if it’s gonna cost us Karabakh and genocide recognition to have the two bastards end their blockade, we’re better off now.


                    Building a strong economy is essential, I agree. You mentioned tourism, and that’s a great idea. Believe it or not, they’re working on it. Read this. We also need more investors and industries in Armenia to boost our economy. Honestly, the thing that concerns me the most it the high rate of emigration and low rate of fertility. Now that's scary!

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                    • #30
                      Obi, I think you might need more than a week of thought.

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