The Struggle for Caucasia

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Pro-Turkish militants denounce Armenians, Russians


A frightening video-taped threat has shocked Armenian residents in Akhaltsikhe, a city in Georgia's Samtskhe Javakhetia region.

In a videotaped warning, armed and masked militants claiming to be part of the Akhaltsikhe Liberation Brigade stood before a Turkish flag chanting "Allahu Akbar" ("god is great" -- a Muslim war-cry) after a statement was read threatening a reprise of the 1915 Turkish genocide of the Armenians. “All who stand in our way will die. We will not allow mentioning of you here. The land of Akhaltsikhe will become ours soon. All who don’t hear us now will regret they were born. Leave your property for us and run. You and your ancestors should remember the year of 1915. Russians will not help you. Their time is up on our land. We have warned you, this is our last warning. Go and live or stay and die.”

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Azerbaijan continues the destruction of Armenian cultural heritage upon historical Armenian lands. During the month of December, the Azerbaijani government sent approximately 200 soldiers into Nakhichevan to systematically destroy 'Hin Chougha's' 400 year old cemetery, which is adjacent to the river Arax.

Information in Russian:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/amatuni/63534.html

Video made from Iranian side:

http://clips1.vimeo.com/video_files/...imeo.37011.wmv

More photos:

http://www.cathcil.org/v04/doc/Photos/Pictures109.htm

http://www.cathcil.org/v04/doc/Photos/Pictures109-.htm

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[The Mad Turk]

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Armenian,

I am delighted to read your writings.You are a very impressing guy.I dont know the other Turks but ı personally was feeling some kind of sorrow for the extinct Armenian culture in anatolia today.But after reading especially you and some others like yourself ,I started to think that our grand grand fathers really did what was needed to be done.

Armenian ,You are an enemy but a stupit one.The only and only way possible to beat turks is in political arena not the battle field.We always win the wars but loose politics.I would be glad to see more stupid enemies like you who only live in the dreams and xxxxxxxxxx with his immense hatered instead of sneaky intelligent and dangerous political enemies.

[Siggie]

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Armenian,

I am delighted to read your writings.You are a very impressing guy.I dont know the other Turks but ı personally was feeling some kind of sorrow for the extinct Armenian culture in anatolia today.But after reading especially you and some others like yourself ,I started to think that our grand grand fathers really did what was needed to be done.

Armenian ,You are an enemy but a stupit one.The only and only way possible to beat turks is in political arena not the battle field.We always win the wars but loose politics.I would be glad to see more stupid enemies like you who only live in the dreams and xxxxxxxxxx with his immense hatered instead of sneaky intelligent and dangerous political enemies.

Bubye!

[ace]

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Armenian,

I am delighted to read your writings.You are a very impressing guy.I dont know the other Turks but ı personally was feeling some kind of sorrow for the extinct Armenian culture in anatolia today.But after reading especially you and some others like yourself ,I started to think that our grand grand fathers really did what was needed to be done.

Armenian ,You are an enemy but a stupit one.The only and only way possible to beat turks is in political arena not the battle field.We always win the wars but loose politics.I would be glad to see more stupid enemies like you who only live in the dreams and xxxxxxxxxx with his immense hatered instead of sneaky intelligent and dangerous political enemies.

One day, all the races you've massacred should just declare war on Turkey. I'm up for it...You'd get attacked from EVERY FRONT. You'd have to split your army up into 4 peices...which is still a pretty hard war to win considering you guys have a gigantic millitary.

But your still savages.

[Armenian]

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One day, all the races you've massacred should just declare war on Turkey. I'm up for it...You'd get attacked from EVERY FRONT. You'd have to split your army up into 4 peices...which is still a pretty hard war to win considering you guys have a gigantic millitary. But your still savages.

I do not advocate war with any nation. I simply want to see Armenians and Turks disengaging form any contact, and I want to See Armenia build a powerful military and economy for self defense. Tuks will never want to have a prosperous Armenia as a neighbor for obvious reasons. Turks will never willingly give back what Armenians want - our lands. Turkey will fall apart sooner or later, we Armenian have to be ready to re-claim what is ours.

Having said that, I have to say that most Armenians, and many others, over estimate the Turk as a fighting force. Turks are barbarians, they are not soldiers. The Turk, on many occasions, has been defeated by nations much smaller.

The presence of the Turk, Asiatic squatters in Anatolia, would have ended during ther First World War by Russian and Armenian forces had it not been for the Bolshevik revolution.

The invading Greek army in 1921 would have would have ended existence of the Turkish state had it not be for France's and England's treachery.

Even during the middle ages, Turks only managed to carved out an empire in Asia Minor because Byzantium, Persia and Armenia had fought each other to oblivion.

The Ottoman Empire managed to gain a foothold in Europe essentially because Europeans had bled themselves white after two hundred years of continuous warfare during the crusades.

In short:

The Crusader tragedy and the Mongol invasions devastated all nations within Europe, Asia Minor and the Middle East for several centuries. The savage Turk simply took advantage of this situation as it spread like a parasite throughout the region.

The Turk is not a soldier, he is a ruthless barbarian who excels in atrocities against unarmed civilians.

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Dashnaks Insist On Territorial Claims To Turkey

Armenia does not recognize Turkey’s territorial integrity and may in the future lay claim to lands that were populated by Armenians before the 1915 genocide, a senior member of the governing Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnaktsutyun) claimed on Friday.

“The current government of which we are a part and the president whom we have supported and will support will not abandon territorial claims,” Giro Manoyan, a spokesman for the nationalist party’s ruling Bureau, said. “Armenia’s official position is that the issue is not on our foreign policy agenda. That means it can be on the agenda tomorrow.”

Recognition of Turkey’s current borders has been one of Ankara’s preconditions for normalizing relations with Armenia. Official Yerevan says it recognizes the existing Turkish-Armenian border which was set by the Treaty of Kars signed in 1921 following the country’s takeover by Bolshevik Russia. The government of the then Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic was among the treaty’s signatories

“Armenia is the successor state of the Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic,” the Armenian Foreign Ministry explains on its website. “All of the agreements which the ASSR signed continue to be in force unless new agreements have been signed to replace them.”

At the same time the Armenian government has repeatedly dismissed Turkish demands to officially declare that it will never claim any lands in what is now eastern Turkey.

“No Armenian government can do that because I believe the Armenia people would not allow that government to remain in power,” Manoyan said during a roundtable discussion in Yerevan.

“The fact that there are no territorial claims today, does not mean we can’t lay such claims tomorrow,” he told RFE/RL separately.

The possibility of such claims has never been publicly acknowledged by President Robert Kocharian, Defense Minister Serzh Sarkisian and two other parties represented in Armenia’s government. In a famous 2001 interview with CNN-Turk television, Kocharian sought to assure Ankara that its recognition of the 1915-1918 mass killings of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire as genocide would not prompt territorial demands from Yerevan.

“Genocide recognition by Turkey will not lead to legal consequences for territorial claims,” Kocharian said at the time. “The problem is that those events have taken place in Turkey, and the Republic of Armenia did not exist at that time, and today's Republic of Armenia is not the heir to those lands,” he added.

David Phillips, a U.S. scholar who chaired the Turkish-Armenian Reconciliation Commission, wrote in a 2005 book that Kocharian’s interview “helped mollify [Turkish] concerns about Armenia’s intentions.”

But according to Manoyan, the Armenian leader simply stated that “there is no such issue on the agenda of Armenian foreign policy today.” “The president also said genocide recognition would not automatically result in territorial claims,” he said, denying any disagreements on the issue between Kocharian and Dashnaktsutyun.

Manoyan revealed last summer that the party, which also has chapters in major Armenian communities abroad, plans a major shift in its long-running campaign for international recognition of the Armenian genocide. He said Dashnaktsutyun will strive to force Turkey to pay reparations.

Kocharian, however, had told CNN-Turk that for him genocide recognition is “more of a moral issue.”

Source: http://www.armenialiberty.org/armeni...EE76832E8B.ASP

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Russian defense minister to inspect mil base in Armenia

YEREVAN, January 26 (Itar-Tass) - Russia's Deputy Prime Minister, Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov arrived in Yerevan on Wednesday evening. He will inspect the 102nd Russian military base deployed in Armenia in accordance with an inter-state treaty.

Ivanov told Russian President Vladimir Putin ahead of his trip that he was foremost interested in finding out how well prepared is the base for accommodating the ammunition and military equipment which Russia is withdrawing from Georgia.

The Russian minister will meet with Armenian President Robert Kocharyan and other senior officials to discuss a broad range of bilateral cooperation, foremost in the sphere of defense.

Commenting on redeployment of part of armaments and ammunition from Georgia to Armenia, Ivanov said they have been and will remain Russian property; so it is incorrect to claim that Russia is arming Armenia.

He is expected to discuss the Karabakh conflict. Russia is taking an active part in its settlement as a co-chairman of the OSCE's Minsk group for Nagorno Karabakh.

During his talks with top Azerbaijani officials earlier this week, Ivanov said a military solution of the Nagorno Karabakh problem had no prospects.

"This problem should be resolved by political and diplomatic efforts; the military solution of the Nagorno Karabakh problem has no prospects and can only aggravate it," he said after talks with his Azerbaijani counterpart Safar Abiyev.

"This problem is one of the consequences of the breakup of the Soviet Union and it should be resolved by political and diplomatic efforts." Azerbaijan and Armenia should reach these conditions of settlement - a solution can be found only by these two states. The international community and Russia should do everything for it, Ivanov said.

Source: http://www.tass.ru/eng/level2.html?N...3247&PageNum=0

“THE RUSSIAN MILITARY BASES ARE ALLOCATED IN ARMENIA AT OUR REQUEST”

“The price of the Russian gas has nothing to do with our military cooperation. The Russian military bases were allocated in Armenia at our request and they form part of our security”, announced RA Defense Minister Serge Sargsyan and added, “Believe me, it is better for us”. {BR}

As for the RF Defense Minister Sergey Ivanov, he did not say anything about the military bases. Asked a question by the Armenian journalists why Russia sells weapon by commercial prices to Armenia he said, “Russia sell weapon by prices meant for the countries of Collective Security Treaty Organization. Only these countries can buy weapon by those prices”.

As for the opinion that selling weapon to Azerbaijan Russia can contribute to the disturbance of the balance of powers in the region, Mr. Ivanov announced that they do not sell weapon which can unbalance the region. Besides, he stressed that they do not have reason not to sell weapon to Azerbaijan, as the weapon commerce is an accepted business in the whole world.

And at the beginning of the press conference of the Defense Ministers Serge Sargsyan announced that as a result of the negotiations and tête-à-tête meetings they have come to the conclusion that «the Armenian –Russian cooperation develops steadily and there are no serious problems».

Source: http://www.a1plus.am/eng/?go=print&id=35327

Russian defense minister visited Memorial to victims of the Armenian Genocide

On January 26, Russia’s Deputy Prime Minister, Defense Minister Sergey Ivanov who is currently in Armenia, visited Memorial to victims of the Armenian Genocide in Ottoman Empire in Yerevan.

As a REGNUM correspondent informs, the Russian minister was accompanied by Secretary of National Security Council of the Armenian President, Defense Minister Serzh Sarkisyan, representative of the country’s military commandment, Russian Ambassador to Armenia and other officials. Ivanov placed a wreath to the Eternal Flame and observed the pine tree that he had planted by himself at the Alley of memory.

Besides, during his trip Ivanov visited Russian military base in Gyumri, met the Armenian president, prime minister and defense minister of Armenia.

Source: http://www.regnum.ru/english/polit/579732.html

[skhara]

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What is he even talking about? What war has a turk won? Russia xxxxxslapped turks in every engagement that was ever fought betweent the two? If not for continued propping up by western european imperialists, Russia would have ended the turk menace a long time ago. Armenian already brought up the Greek engagement -- again the western european imperialist powers propped up the turk. Armenians routed the turk from South Caucasus, even though on paper, the turk had every advantage.

We always win the wars

[skhara]

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The Turk is not a soldier, he is a ruthless barbarian who excels in atrocities against unarmed civilians.

And how they have proved this to be true.

I have a personal anecdote.

Back in 1990 I remember my father talking. He talked of a prospect of all-out war between Armenians and Azeris. At this time Nagorno-Karabakh was heating up and many pogroms took place against the Armenian populations in industrial sections and metropolitan areas of Soviet Azerbaijan. At this time, my immediate family and many from my extended family essentially became refugees. Anyway, the distinct thing I remember him saying is: "Turks can't fight." He was worried of the prospects of the larger powers meddling such as the Kremlin, Iran, turkey, but he was entirely confident in an Armenian victory over Azeris in any 1 on 1 engagement.