The Struggle for Caucasia

[bell-the-cat]

Who has gone? I was asking the question to Tigran - not to the Turkish what's-his-name. (Though it might have been interesting to have got an opinion from him about the film, if he has seen it.)

[Armenian]

Hey, Catman:

Why did you get expelled from the "other" forum?

Remember me? You and I had some very interesting conversations over at the other site.

Nevertheless, I am still waiting for you to say something smart.

[Armenian]

My last name is CHOBANIAN, the nick name has been given to me over the years from very good friends of mine. Anybody that knows me by that nickname has nothing but respect and love for me. Also the only ppl in Toronto that know me by that name are Armo's. It must be a hayastantsi thing for the word or name 'choban' to mean an insult.

I am sure you know that Choban is Persian for Hoviv (Sheppard). The term is also used in the Turkish language because Turks don’t have a culture of their own and all they have originated is most probably having intercourse with donkeys, sheep and goats.

However, when they call someone who is not a Hoviv a choban, it means that the person is dirty, backwards and ignorant. Thus, with that perspective in sight, I have never seen a Turk that is not essentially a choban. However, as far as you are concerned, wouldn't Hovivyan sound better?

[guaco]

I am sure you know that Choban is Persian for Hoviv (Sheppard). The term is also used in the Turkish language because Turks don’t have a culture of their own and all they have originated is most probably having intercourse with donkeys, sheep and goats.

However, when they call someone who is not a Hoviv a choban, it means that the person is dirty, backwards and ignorant. Thus, with that perspective in sight, I have never seen a Turk that is not essentially a choban. However, as far as you are concerned, wouldn't Hovivyan sound better?

I don't recomend you to change your surnames, because most of your surnames are Turkish (deukmecian, demircian, semercian, chobanian,boyacian, many many more like this.......)

[choban]

I am sure you know that Choban is Persian for Hoviv (Sheppard). The term is also used in the Turkish language because Turks don’t have a culture of their own and all they have originated is most probably having intercourse with donkeys, sheep and goats.

However, when they call someone who is not a Hoviv a choban, it means that the person is dirty, backwards and ignorant. Thus, with that perspective in sight, I have never seen a Turk that is not essentially a choban. However, as far as you are concerned, wouldn't Hovivyan sound better?

Your right it stands for sheppard. Hovivian would be a great name, but im not gonna change my name for a couple of stupid turks on a internet forum. How about start a thread see what the rest of you think?

[bell-the-cat]

Remember me? You and I had some very interesting conversations over at the other site.

Of course, who could forget "the AH garbage man".
But I don't remember having, or even seeing, any interesting conversations arising from your childish, fantasy-filled, bombastic, sleep-inducing, and utterly ludicrous posts.

[HyeJinx1984]

That means she likes you

[Armenian]

Of course, who could forget "the AH garbage man".
But I don't remember having, or even seeing, any interesting conversations arising from your childish, fantasy-filled, bombastic, sleep-inducing, and utterly ludicrous posts.

Oh my, the temper on you, my little intellectually deprived catboy.

I am still waiting for you to say something smart.

[HyeJinx1984]

*blinks* it's a guy? Oh... my bad.

What kinda guy has the net handle bell the cat?

[SULTAN]

Because there are ample amounts of morons here who still think they can reason with animals. There is a large class of Armenians who never learn from their own history. The many Sultan's lap-dogs of Armenian decent come to mind.

Time to change your name "choban."

Some standard Armenians will think that there is a hope that Turkey will go into a civil war with Kurds and will break apart.And Armenians will somehow get their historic lands back.Mount Ağrı,Van,Kars and acsess to Black Sea.İt sounds very exciting.So you must always remember the past that Turks grandfathers' granfatehers made a war crime.And keep the hatred at the top level not to loose this final goal.

Some standard Turks will think that Armenia invaded Karabagh.So she must be punished.And Azeri army must some day attack back and get their lands back.Plus Azerbaycan and Turkish lands must join to eack other by invading south Armenia by cutting their İranian border.So without İran,Armenia will die for ever.

But some more intelligent Armenians and Turks know that above dreams are not possible.Because this is the world of bigger powers mainly like USA and less Russia.And if they dont plan something like this it is not possible to do.Turkish invasion of Cyprus was not approved by USA.And Turkey lost a lot after this invasion.Armenian invasion of Karabagh also was not approved by USA so Armenia is suffering and will suffer much more and will be a even more poor country in the near future.So even if we cant love each other,the best thing is to try to understand and to find solutions to the problems by talks.
Also keep in mind that as a country,if you have happier and wealthy, democratic neighbours it is much better than having a dictatorship neighbours.I am inviting all of you to be more reasonable and realistic.

Finally Choban dont need to change his surname.Why shoul he?But you must...