The Struggle for Caucasia

[HyeJinx1984]

Hasn't this thread out lived it's usefullness at this point? It's JUST Armenians and Turks arguing back and forth now (something that shouldn't be happening AT all on these boards) with no real point. Emil, I request this thread be closed right now. Perhaps sometime in the future when someone has a new intelegent take on the situation he or she can open a new thread, but as far as this one is concered... bust out the donald trump.

[bell-the-cat]

*blinks* it's a guy? Oh... my bad.

What kinda guy has the net handle bell the cat?

The inability to understand that there is a difference between "bell" and "Belle" is perhaps understandable since English is not your native language. However, the inability of so many Armenians to understand any cultural references other than their own never ceases to both surprise and sadden me.

[HyeJinx1984]

Actually, I'm far more fluent in English than Armenian since I was born and raised in California. Still... bell? *rings a bell* Sorry, I don't mean to be ragging on you, it's just that I initially thought it was a female since "bells" and "cats" and things seem to show up in female SNs not men.. but now that I think about it this could work also. Sorry for being insensitive, I apologize.

So what culture are you referencing?

[bell-the-cat]

So what culture are you referencing?

Apologies accepted - though I was not asking for any. But thank's anyway

Culture as in European literature (Aesops fables - "The mice in council") and language ("to bell the cat"). And also an obscure reference to the nickname of an historic personage (who I admit nobody here is likely to have heard of) who had the determination to do a deed that needed to be done but that everyone else was afraid of doing. Maybe there is an Armenian phrase that is the equivalent of the concept.

[HyeJinx1984]

Apologies accepted - though I was not asking for any. But thank's anyway

Culture as in European literature (Aesops fables - "The mice in council") and language ("to bell the cat"). And also an obscure reference to the nickname of an historic personage (who I admit nobody here is likely to have heard of) who had the determination to do a deed that needed to be done but that everyone else was afraid of doing. Maybe there is an Armenian phrase that is the equivalent of the concept.

You know I've actually read the whole book of Aesops's fables and I still didn't get that reference, lol, oh well...

Let's see me make a screen name "Snapper Car" and see if anyone gets it

[Armenian]

The following is paranoid article from a Turkic web-site that might interest you. Although the information within the text of the article is very exaggerated, nevertheless, certain specific information and the overall geo-political climate do make sense. At the very least, the following is what the Turks of the Caucasus are concerned about.

Armenian

Peking-Tehran-Yerevan-Moscow "quartet"

The total cost of Iran's military agreement including 2000-2005 is $7 billion. One of the items of these agreements, article 8 consists of Moscow's nuclear assistance to Tehran. (for religous purposes). Moscow renders this assistance easily through the third territory. According to our investigations, this territory is Karabakh, its border areas with Iran. The Armenians called the occupied Azerbaijan, territories a transit zone or base for Russians. In this zone Armenians in Karabakh have fulfilled easily the tasks of the Russians.
We can't understand for what purposes Armenia has allocated 280 tons of preparations paralysing nerve system, viruses prohibited and not ending … also computers controlling missiles. According to our investigations, Peking has given to Tehran a protection system from most modern missiles. This system "Cey-UAY-14" was constructed for Armenia's FG in July (2001). This protection system (in Turkey direction) was constructed by Tehran specialists themselves (?). The USA diplomat Lenn Devis reminds: "…It's a danger. We must feel the danger covering oil companies in the Caspian region and separate diplomatic corps"… According to our investigations, China's relations with Armenia extended after "Taiwan affair" and this stage was called a new stage. Russian Federation, CPR and Iran's role in changing Armenia's military potential is a strategical step. And Yerevan's military assistance to Beirut "patriots" (against Israel) is interesting. Thus it became clear that Yerevan is not only a good base for nuclear technology carried from the Russian Federation to Iran, and also main bridge of ammunition assistance rendered from Tehran to Beirut.

Armenia regarding China defended "United and Great China" principle, called Taiwvan being a part of it "historical right". According to our investigations, in the former times, i.e. in 1990-94 there were a lot of men of Armenian nationality in microbiology, physics, semi-conductor,Quantum physics and oil-chemical processes centres, scientific-research laboratories of Academy of Sciences of Azerbaijan. For instance, Robert Aslanovich (?) Ovanesyan occupied with electro-physics and electro-physical problems of energy in the Institute of Physics carried out scientific researches in Dubna nuclear centre till 1996, in Bushir APS since 1997. I'd like to direct qour attention to another fact. In 1992 Babayan Sarvar (probably) Server Bagramovich, the collaborator of Mathematics and Mechanics Institute solemnly defended a thesis (in technology) field … went to Yerevan after he got academic degree and now carries out his researches on nuclear technology there. While at that time those whose scientific work or defense of thesis were unfinished or who were prevented to carry out scientific researches left or were removed from Oil Chemical Processes Institute, Physiology Institute, Molecular and Biology Institute, Cybernetics Institute … on various pretexts. Generally 28 specialists (directly occupied with nuclear technology), who were occupied with Quantum physics, mathematics and mechanics, cybernetics … i.e. directly nuclear researches, gained scientific achievements in this field left Azerbaijan. Unfortunately, according to the information, 2 of them work with doctor S.Ter-Avestesyan's group in "Ashtarak-2" (Institute of Physical Researches) (?).

On June 4, 1999 at the meeting of the heads of Yerevan and Tehran security forces (this meeting is shortly called "Khudaferin meeting") Iran's "ETTELAAT" leaders (a special service organ) demanded from their colleagues the list of those of Armenian nationality working in former times in Academy of Sciences of Azerbaijan, its institutes (especially, in physics, chemistry, math field). They discussed there Azerbaijan's project bureaus occupied with nuclear physics, cybernetics, special mathematical calculations, the last achievements of "Crystal" metal bureau on corrosion, researches on Genetics and selection, scientific work on chemistry and microbiology. At the result they decided that Yerevan Security Service would work out "special program" in order to extend the relations in this field by the half of 2002.

36 men of Armenian nationality work in Iran special service organs (only in Ardabil, Tabriz, Astara, Parsabag) (2 of them work in military-counter intelligence agencies, 9 in "Ettelaat", 8 in military intelligence, 8 in "confidential information and news bureaus" of Islamic propaganda centres). Iran began to carry out scientific researches on a new nuclear engine "The World". (After Ayatulla Khamineyi's address to security forces) on June 16, 2001. It was planned to carry out these researches on this engine about 45 km away from the capital (northern direction) in SRC in Karaj territory. Scientists carrying out scientific nuclear researches on nuclear prospecting in Byelorussia were invited. At the result an agreement of 48 million cost was signed between Minsk - Tehran in this direction (August II, 2001) Also it was determined that a new nuclear engine would work with uranium- 235. This project was investigated for military purposes and its power was 40 Mg Vt. It was possible to get or produce plutonium by scientific - research laboratory during test period of this engine, i.e. in its working hours. On August 19 of that year the members of "Special Researches group" formed on Sep. 28, 2000 in Armenia's AF submitted their plans, exactly "military-strategical programs" for discussion in security council.

The program suggested that Yerevan (according to our investigations) (the first nuclear weapon will be applied against Israel in Near East zone. Tel-Aviv would be aware that this attack will be carried on by Palestine Arabian groupings, "Jerusalem's power" radical proislamists. Besides this Tehran would better to review its "strategical, national security concept" for Tel-Aviv remaining as capital at least. Because on March 4, 2001 "International United Islamic Security System" against Israel was worked out) had to sign new agreements on scientific researches in military and also military-industrial field with Moscow, China, Tehran, Northern Korea, Lebanon, Syria, Irak, Brazil (?). If it is possible Yerevan will do a lot supported by these regions that have nuclear potential and war arsenal, comprehensive terror schools. This is its result that today there're shippers "Barret M81-A1" and "Barret M 82 A1" with nuclear warhead and calibre of 50 mm, mines against tanks with chemical - toxic components (these mines were tested in Khojali), and round bullets with the compound of bacteriological weapons" … artillery shells with nuclear warheads in Armenia's AF. Moreover, Construction of a new oil refining plant in Yerevan is put forward since August, 2002 (?).

According to the information we got, already 60 men known with their nuclear researches scientific researches in atom bomb field were "recruited" with high salary from Kazakhystan, Azerbaijan, Russian Federation, Byelorussia, Ukraine, Armenia…by India, Pakistan, Irak, Iran and Brazil, Northern Korea, China. On February, 2000 an agreement was signed among Armenia's "Razdanmash" Iran's "scientific-technical researches Centre" and Switzerland's "Alshneks-Asada" in Guge city dealing in technological equipments and here. Tehran signed an agreement of $210 million cost with Yerevan, Switzerland - an agreement of $347 million with Tehran. It means "serious and dangerous" weapons, nuclear materials. It includes "electromagnet" installations and mechanisms in splitting isotopes. It realizes its plan on construction of "electromagnet separators" in Ahvaz and Isphahan with assistance of Russian Federation and Byelorussia. At the result program "Nuclear program and strategic researches of Iran Islamic Republic for 2001-2005" was worked out in Iran. In Armenia this program is called so: "Special projects in nuclear researches field" (for 2002-2005)…

Source: http://www.karabakh-terror.com//wmview.php?ArtID=122

[dstyle]

Sorry this is off a Turkish site?

[Armenian]

Sorry this is off a Turkish site?

I posted the source link at the bottom of the article, did you open it?

[obi]

Actually, I'm far more fluent in English than Armenian since I was born and raised in California. Still... bell? *rings a bell* Sorry, I don't mean to be ragging on you, it's just that I initially thought it was a female since "bells" and "cats" and things seem to show up in female SNs not men.. but now that I think about it this could work also. Sorry for being insensitive, I apologize.

So what culture are you referencing?

Whilst not wanting to upset my American-Armenian friend... all knowing in my language of English, perhaps if you see the metaphor here you will understand.

In England we put bells on cats inorder to warn other, smaller, more helpless creatures that the cat is near to them and might be stalking them. Hence, in this case the bell is an alarm... beware of the cat...

I have to agree though it does read a bit strange to native English speaking people... I'd change it

[Armenian]

More good news from our most friendly and stable regional partner.

CHANGE OF IRANIAN PRESIDENT NOT TO AFFECT ARMENIAN-IRANIAN RELATIONS

Head of the presidential administration, Co-Chair of the Armenian-Iranian intergovernmental commission Artashes Tumanian met today in Yerevan with Iranian Minister of Education Morteza Haji , RA President’s press center reported. During the meeting the parties expressed satisfaction with the present level of the Iranian-Armenian relations noted the necessity of developing them in new directions.

They also discussed cooperation in educational, scientific and social fields noting the importance of taking the advantages of the Armenian-Iranian intergovernmental commission. Artashes Tumanian pointed out to the strengthening of the Armenian-Iranian intergovernmental ties and discussed the possibility of opening the Armenian Consulate in Tebriz.

When touching upon the upcoming presidential election in Iran, Morteza Haji assured that with victory of any presidential contender the Iranian-Armenian relations will undergo no other changes but positive.

Source: http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/...ciety&cat_id=1

WE ARE NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE MANY THINGS IN COMMON'

Education Minister of Iran Visits Armenia

Iranian delegation head by education minister Morteza Haji arrived in Yerevan on June 13 on a three-day visit. According to the visit schedule the Iranian delegation will visit schools, universities and will sign a memorandum on the last day of the stay. The memorandum will probably specify the frames of cooperation in the sphere of education, issues of representing the history of both states in history text-books, retraining of teachers, organization of short-time classes of Persian and a number of other issues.

Receiving the delegation, Armenian education minister Sergo Yeritsian emphasized the importance of the meeting. The minister said that the fact of having Iranian delegation with us on these days (when Iran is getting ready for presidential elections) evidences that Iran attaches great importance to relations with Armenia. Mr. Yeritsian also expressed hope that the memorandum will help outline the future steps of cooperation.

Iranian minister Morteza Haji assured that whoever elected Iranian president, he will back this agreement. He believes that the talks will be a success as we are neighbors that have many things in common. Besides, "bilateral political and economic relations are in the heyday and the educational and scientific relations are in the stage of developing and hopefully they will progress", Mr. Haji said.

By Gohar Gevorgian

Source: http://www.azg.am/?lang=EN&num=2005061505

RELATIONS WITH ARMENIA PRIORITY FOR IRAN

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Iranian Vice-President Mohammad Reza Aref today met with Armenian Ambassador to Iran Karen Nazarian, reported Irna. In the course of the meeting Mohammad Reza Aref and Karen Nazarian noted the similarity of the positions of Iran and Armenia over a number of regional and international policy issues, as well as exchanged views over a wide range of issues.

The IRI Vice-President appreciated the Iranian-Armenian relations, emphasizing Iran views relations with Armenia as priority taking into account the cultural and historical community of the peoples of the two countries. «Iran's efforts aim at strengthening and expansion of the cooperation with Armenia in all spheres, especially in electric power and cargo transportation,» Iranian Vice-President noted. Aref and Nazarian noted the high level of Iran-Armenia relations, which stimulates the growth of the commodity turnover, working out and realization of joint programs.

At the same time they recognized the economic potential that is being used. Having appreciated the balanced policy Iran pursues in the region, Karen Nazarian expressed readiness to make every effort to intensify and develop the Armenian-Iranian relation. He also expressed Armenian leaders' interest in further expansion of the cooperation in Iran in all spheres, especially in trade and economy.

Source: http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/...world&cat_id=2