Iraq... an Armenian view.

[TJ]

btw keep at him iammadatac. doin a pretty good job, god knows i couldnt stand arguing with this kid.

[Hayq]

Lack of military?! We fended off Azerbaijan that had the support of Turkey, US, and most of the Islamic world didn't we?! How are we militarily insignificant?!

From 1988-1994 Armenia had 4mln people, half the size of Azeristan. Now Armenia has 2mln people, most are old aged, now we are 1/5th the size of Azeristan. Azeristan and Georgia are being supplied with US equipment worth billions of dollars, yes, I would say we are quite weak TODAY.

(On the world stage, sure it's insignificant, but compared to countries in similar positions its probably above average. It's certainly better than its much larger neighbor Azer.) Also based on current trends in the world community, I would say Armenia is slightly going up rather than down. It's pretty apparant the world is starting to support us with Karabakh for example.

What would Karabagh change? Nothing. Based on trends, Armenia is losing work force rather than gaining anything. Once again, even if Karabagh is Armenian, it does not mean it would stay Armenian if we do not have proper force to protect it.

You seem to be measuring Armenia's existence based on how much power it has on the world stage. There are 190+ countries and only a handful have real power! Why are you predicting the downfall of Armenia for not being one of these??? Don't forget that when it comes to ethnic lobbies (in the US at least), Armenia is number 2. Considering its size, that is unheard of!

THe lobby in America is not going to change the fact that the main Lobby (JewisH) is against us. The Jewish lobby will get its way before the Armenian/.

Also I thought at least two out of the three in the Baltic trio were doing quite well. I certainly am no expert, but seeing as they were admitted into the EU they can't be THAT heavily Russian-influenced. When it comes to CIS states, Belarus is the number 1 state up for Russian absorbtion, not the Baltics.

Economically, but Estonia and Latvia will be more Russian than their indigenous people.

[TJ]

From 1988-1994 Armenia had 4mln people, half the size of Azeristan. Now Armenia has 2mln people, most are old aged, now we are 1/5th the size of Azeristan. Azeristan and Georgia are being supplied with US equipment worth billions of dollars, yes, I would say we are quite weak TODAY.

first of all Armenia never had 4 million people the census in 1989 said 3.8 and that was overly exagerrated as a result of displacement and utter confusion after the earthquake. Armenia does not have 2 million people now. That is the biggest unrealistic bullxxxx i have ever heard. If there were only 2 million people we would have massive open jobs as a result of the number of jobs compared to workforce. Look at population breakdowns, most indded arent old aged, unless you define old aged starting at 40 or whatnot. Armenia at this point has somewhere between 2.7 and 3.2 million people. Ever since 2003 the number of people going in as compared to those going out has been greater. Where do you get "billions" of dollars? what are you smoking? what exactly are your sources?

What would Karabagh change? Nothing. Based on trends, Armenia is losing work force rather than gaining anything. Once again, even if Karabagh is Armenian, it does not mean it would stay Armenian if we do not have proper force to protect it.

Armenia is not losing workforce like i previously explained. But at this point a small drop in workforce wouldnt be too bad of a thing. Workforce has nothing to do with military age population idiot. If you didnt know Armenia has one of the best trained armies in the region. I think by controlling Artsakh and 20 percent of their territory for 15 years we have proved we are strong enough to hold it, arent we?

THe lobby in America is not going to change the fact that the main Lobby (JewisH) is against us. The Jewish lobby will get its way before the Armenian/.

The jewish lobby is not neccesarily against us. The jews have nothing specific against Armenia. The only times they are against us is when they need something from turkey. Recent developments have made turkey less of a reliable partner for israel, their relationship is on the downturn and recently the turks have even had the jews lobby against htem.

Economically, but Estonia and Latvia will be more Russian than their indigenous people.

do you realize that what you wrote here makes no sense.


Listen go educate yourself and stop spewing senseless xxxx based on nonexistent numbers out of your ass. Your stupidity and ignorance is exasperating.

[IAmMadAtAC]

From 1988-1994 Armenia had 4mln people, half the size of Azeristan. Now Armenia has 2mln people, most are old aged, now we are 1/5th the size of Azeristan. Azeristan and Georgia are being supplied with US equipment worth billions of dollars, yes, I would say we are quite weak TODAY.

I still can't understand where we are going to get with such a pesimistic attitude. How is this helping? But anyway, you know perfectly well what went on during the time period of 1988-1994 that caused the huge population drop. Things are stabilizing now, that time period was extraordinary with no electricity, people barely surviving, a terrible time trying to change from the Soviet system. It was an awful time but as Armenia goes on it works through those problems.
You say Armenia is one-fifth the size of "Azeristan". Well if you did the math, Armenia's 11.5 thousand square miles is exactly one third of "Azeristan"'s 33.5 thousand square miles. Karabakh is another 1.5 thousand, so that makes 13 thousand to 35 thousand. We also control more of its territory as well. So this is not close to your number of one-fifth. Population wise, Azerbaijan does have about 7 million to Armenian's 2 million plus. Saying Armenia has exactly 2 million like you did is an underestimation. That also is not one-fifth, and also think about how much of Azerbaijan's population are uneducated people who can't even read. Go outside of Baku and there's really nothing! The people out there are in hopeless conditions and seeing as they can't even fend for themselves I don't think their number one issue would be taking over Armenia instead of trying to survive.

THe lobby in America is not going to change the fact that the main Lobby (JewisH) is against us. The Jewish lobby will get its way before the Armenian/.

Only by giving up and conceeding everything to the Jewish lobby by saying they are too powerful for us will they truly win. Sure they are extremely powerful, but who would have thought little Armenia would be number two right below them? Turks are having a harder and harder time with their lobbying, and the Jews won't be able to spend their resources helping them forever. The Turks' lobbiers, the Livingston Group for example, hinted a few months ago that their fees are going up for Turkey because of the gains Armenians have made recently, and that it is becoming harder and harder to combat them. You clearly wouldn't know that though, or else you wouldn't have claimed the Jews will always triumph. It's not just because of the Jews that the genocide has yet to be recognized, but because the US executive branch, State Department, Pentagon agrees. If these groups didn't the Jewish lobby would hardly be the only factor the genocide is not recognized by the US. On top of this we have the EU who might recognize it. Turkey is running scared, and if all those recognize it the Jews will really be up a creek without a paddle trying to defend Turkey. And Turkey certainly can't do anything themselves, the more they try to lobby the more ridicuous things they come up with and the stupider they look. While our lobby will never likely rival the Jews, the mere fact such a small group of people could become as politically powerful as we already have is a good sign for what we will be able to accomplish in the future, as long as we don't have attitudes like yours.

[CatWoman]

Hayq:

Armenia is headed in the right direction. I really can't understand what you are trying to prove with your posts. But then again, can't expect more from someone who doesn't see a point in Genocide recognition. Maybe you and Susan Sach can work together?


I guess you expect everything in Armenia to change over night huh?
(1997 est.) GDP—real growth rate: 2.7%
(1999 est.) GDP - real growth rate: 5%
(2004 est.) GDP - real growth rate: 9.9%

Armenia's population is one million higher than you thought, 2,991,360. (July 2004 est.)
And you said most of its population is old aged? You were wrong again. Only 10.6% of its population is +65 but 66.7% are between 15-64 years.

And about Karabakh and our military:
Karabakh’s GDP grew 20% in 2003 and 15% in 2004. Also did you know that Armenia increased military spending by 35% in its 2005 state budget? Then again, if our military was so weak, how did we win the war fighting those Azeris with four times as much as our population?

[IAmMadAtAC]

Thank you Tigran and Catwoman, for helping to prove Hayq so very wrong. Thank you for helping to show what the real FACTS dictate while he has yet to use even one in his arguements that he didn't completely make up or something.

[TJ]

like catwoman said i dont see what the hell he is trying to prove and i swear to god i was going to compare him to susan sachs, lol.

this little pup needs some schooling and a small dose of optimism and patriotism.
Thank god there arent more worthless, self-hating, and unmotivated Armenians like this kid.

Bolorin Nor Tarimen Shnorhavorum. Shat ch@ xmek.

[IAmMadAtAC]

Where is this guy from anyway? Cali?

[obi]

Mr. obi,

Please, just please shut up already.

And Hayq, you will owe us all an apology 20 years from now.

In modern day politics people are not addresed to in such a manner....

'shut up already...' ... yes, over what issues. YOU want to discuss acts? actua,[policies that went through... ask... do not forget these things.

You call this a political forum, but what politics do you mention? All i see are beliefs. Apart from argue over what your country has to moan about, how about suggesting what you believe will make it better?!?!?!?!Or worse??? Dare you not mention corruption, mafia???
Hay, and here's another... Do you think genocide started in 1915??? well. sorry, check out our history, from saxon to viking to norman... and us to irish. Learn history then return, but do not just dig at my comments without foundation..... Knowledge is the source of power. Read, return.

[IAmMadAtAC]

We all know what can be seen as genocide has existed throughout the centuries, I don't get what you are trying to prove with your holier-than-thou attitude as if you've enlightened us ignorants with this fact that we never knew before. What does that have to do with corruption and your harsh attitude towards Armenia?