Iraq... an Armenian view.

[obi]

Hayq:

Armenia is headed in the right direction. I really can't understand what you are trying to prove with your posts. But then again, can't expect more from someone who doesn't see a point in Genocide recognition. Maybe you and Susan Sach can work together?


I guess you expect everything in Armenia to change over night huh?
(1997 est.) GDP—real growth rate: 2.7%
(1999 est.) GDP - real growth rate: 5%
(2004 est.) GDP - real growth rate: 9.9%

Armenia's population is one million higher than you thought, 2,991,360. (July 2004 est.)
And you said most of its population is old aged? You were wrong again. Only 10.6% of its population is +65 but 66.7% are between 15-64 years.

And about Karabakh and our military:
Karabakh’s GDP grew 20% in 2003 and 15% in 2004. Also did you know that Armenia increased military spending by 35% in its 2005 state budget? Then again, if our military was so weak, how did we win the war fighting those Azeris with four times as much as our population?

Statistics can prove anything. Never forget that. 9% of zero = zero.... all you care for here is your economy turnover... care for the dying first, then perhaps both might grow....

[obi]

We all know what can be seen as genocide has existed throughout the centuries, I don't get what you are trying to prove with your holier-than-thou attitude as if you've enlightened us ignorants with this fact that we never knew before. What does that have to do with corruption and your harsh attitude towards Armenia?

BECAUSE MY HOLIER THAN THOW ATTITUDE DOESN'T WASTE MENTAL THOUGHT AND ENERGY ON GENOCIDES FROM ALMOST 100 YEARS BACK....They have happened since, and still happen. Live in today please. Mental thinkers, how do you handle stupidity... and of course i leave myself open to childish jibes you do here with that comment....

[IAmMadAtAC]

Statistics can prove anything.

While that is somewhat true, it's also a very easy way to discredit everything we've been saying. In some cases though statistics can't lie, for example in this thread Armenia was accused of being a nation of less than 2 million old people. I don't see how the actual statistics given here though, that it is of up to 3.2 million and that the number above 65 is about 10%, can be used to do anything but prove wrong the accusations of Armenia being depopulated and extremely old.

[HyeJinx1984]

BECAUSE MY HOLIER THAN THOW ATTITUDE DOESN'T WASTE MENTAL THOUGHT AND ENERGY ON GENOCIDES FROM ALMOST 100 YEARS BACK....They have happened since, and still happen. Live in today please. Mental thinkers, how do you handle stupidity... and of course i leave myself open to childish jibes you do here with that comment....

And of course, whatever frustration we feel towards you is only amplified by the fact that an Armenian girl will be slobbing your knob soon. Inckan mer azga g'sirem..

[IAmMadAtAC]

BECAUSE MY HOLIER THAN THOW ATTITUDE DOESN'T WASTE MENTAL THOUGHT AND ENERGY ON GENOCIDES FROM ALMOST 100 YEARS BACK....

We just want simple recognition, I don't think it hurts us in any way. We are asking for recognition and some simple justice that will come from it. Tell me one reason wanting the genocide recognized is having a seriously bad effect on Armenia?
And hint: unless you wanna get screamed at by me, do not say "Armenians wanting the genocide recognized has caused the blocked". That is something Turks love to say, but we all know that even if we dropped it they would still not open it for other reasons.

[Hayq]

I still can't understand where we are going to get with such a pesimistic attitude. How is this helping?

I chose to know the truth before I begin helping. I would want to know what is really going on rather than some silly statistics.

But anyway, you know perfectly well what went on during the time period of 1988-1994 that caused the huge population drop. Things are stabilizing now, that time period was extraordinary with no electricity, people barely surviving, a terrible time trying to change from the Soviet system. It was an awful time but as Armenia goes on it works through those problems.

Yes, more people are leaving Armenia now than they were before. Armenia is showing little chance for a future for the younger generation.

You say Armenia is one-fifth the size of "Azeristan". Well if you did the math, Armenia's 11.5 thousand square miles is exactly one third of "Azeristan"'s 33.5 thousand square miles. Karabakh is another 1.5 thousand, so that makes 13 thousand to 35 thousand. We also control more of its territory as well. So this is not close to your number of one-fifth. Population wise, Azerbaijan does have about 7 million to Armenian's 2 million plus. Saying Armenia has exactly 2 million like you did is an underestimation. That also is not one-fifth, and also think about how much of Azerbaijan's population are uneducated people who can't even read. Go outside of Baku and there's really nothing! The people out there are in hopeless conditions and seeing as they can't even fend for themselves I don't think their number one issue would be taking over Armenia instead of trying to survive.

I meant in terms of population. Armenians have 2mln, Azeris have 10ln.
Statistics count Armenian citizens, not Arenians within Armenia...most ar in Russia.

[TJ]

obi you ignorant bastard, i would simply like to say that i would enjoy breaking your bloody face. you manage to exasperate and annoy us with your ignorance of us and our nation and your belief that you in fact are wiser and your nation likewise than us and ours. i say go to the uk and deal with your problems before pretending you can deal with ours. I fail to see how someone becomes an expert on a nation and can lecture its people on it when that someone didnt know jack shyt about htat nation a week before.

As corrupt or mafia infested as you say our nation is, i still say we are in a better state than yours. We are not a nation of alchoholics and drug addicts and the people dont live off the state, maybe simply because the state cant support them but nonetheless, we dont have rampant social and medical problems such as HIV and our society has a moral fiber which the UK arguably never had and definately does not have today. To top it off call us a third world nation as much as you like, our people and population are much more educated and hardworking than the UK or its people ever will be.

[TJ]

I chose to know the truth before I begin helping. I would want to know what is really going on rather than some silly statistics.



Yes, more people are leaving Armenia now than they were before. Armenia is showing little chance for a future for the younger generation.




I meant in terms of population. Armenians have 2mln, Azeris have 10ln.
Statistics count Armenian citizens, not Arenians within Armenia...most ar in Russia.

are you still talking out of your ass? Did i not just tell you about how people in > people out , in Armenia in the past 2 years for the first time.

and again, Armenia doesnt have 2 million your retarded little freak and neither does azerbaijan have more than 7.5 million. where are these numbers coming from, where is your ignorance coming from, are you schizophrenic?

[Hayq]

Hayq:

Armenia is headed in the right direction. I really can't understand what you are trying to prove with your posts. But then again, can't expect more from someone who doesn't see a point in Genocide recognition. Maybe you and Susan Sach can work together?

I am trying to say that you should wake up to reality. Most have not even been to Armenia and make claims. Armenia is not a good place because of its standards, it is a good place because it is our home.

[TJ]

I am trying to say that you should wake up to reality. Most have not even been to Armenia and make claims. Armenia is not a good place because of its standards, it is a good place because it is our home.

well, definately not YOUR home.