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  • #61
    Take the larger picture... you are kids without experience. You will learn.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by obi
      Take the larger picture... you are kids without experience. You will learn.
      I see, so cryptic sentences are the best way to combat organized facts? I'd like to see some actual arguements made to refute me, not this ambiguous mumbo jumbo.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by -Pyunik-
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        And that is just one, of many examples I can give you.

        The only reason why 40% of Armenia's population live in poverty is because of problems such as the blockade, the only reason why so much must be spent on military is to ensure that the crazy Turks on both sides stay on their sides. If you care so much about the situation in Armenia, start a petition, or a protest and end the support of Azerbaijan by the western nations because of it's caspian oil reserves and instead get them to help out Armenia (or not, I'd be happy enough with the ending of Azeri support itself!). But it would have to be out of good will, ofcourse, because we don't have any oil to offer.
        If the Turks really wanted to they would crush you, you could not match them. So you strangle yourselves by keeping the blockades in place... Sounds paranoid for nothing to me. You think europe and the states would stand by and let a muslim army do that to 3 million christians??? I think not. Only the Greeks have kept the Turks from joining the eu... whay are the Greeks... mainly holiday islands...

        Teach you..? Now i am Obi-Wan. Well you are lucky. You will see an end to troubles in your lands. One day your people will stop shooting and talk. And perhaps the the Turks will admit the atrocities against your people, but who will they prosecute???

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        • #64
          Originally posted by obi
          If the Turks really wanted to they would crush you, you could not match them. So you strangle yourselves by keeping the blockades in place... Sounds paranoid for nothing to me. You think europe and the states would stand by and let a muslim army do that to 3 million christians??? I think not. Only the Greeks have kept the Turks from joining the eu... whay are the Greeks... mainly holiday islands...

          Teach you..? Now i am Obi-Wan. Well you are lucky. You will see an end to troubles in your lands. One day your people will stop shooting and talk. And perhaps the the Turks will admit the atrocities against your people, but who will they prosecute???
          first you say that if the turks wanted to crush us they would, then you say that europe and the us wouldnt let muslims crush Armenia. Firstly the only thing stopping the turks from going into Armenia at this point is Russia, not your fukking "europe". The only real friends Armenia has in Europe are Greece and France. The only thing your government has is its own interests. Dont play yourself with your idealized visions of a fair and peaceful world. That day will never come. The only reason Armenia is in the bad spot that it is in now is because it has put its faith in others for way too long. Whether it was "God" for thousands of years or the allies in WW1 and after. The only way we are going to get out of this xxxxhole is to fend for ourselves and put as little faith as we can in others.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by obi
            You think europe and the states would stand by and let a muslim army do that to 3 million christians??? I think not.
            They let it happen to 1.5 million.
            I really wish what you said was true, but where was the great Christian Europe when Armenians were being massacred in Ottoman Empire by Muslim Turks? Please don't tell me they tried, cause they didn't. I read it in a book called "the road from home" about the story of a survivor, that Germany and English ships even poured boiling water on the author's mother and some others who tried to escape! Sad isn't it?

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            • #66
              Originally posted by TigranJamharian
              first you say that if the turks wanted to crush us they would, then you say that europe and the us wouldnt let muslims crush Armenia. Firstly the only thing stopping the turks from going into Armenia at this point is Russia, not your fukking "europe". The only real friends Armenia has in Europe are Greece and France. The only thing your government has is its own interests. Dont play yourself with your idealized visions of a fair and peaceful world. That day will never come. The only reason Armenia is in the bad spot that it is in now is because it has put its faith in others for way too long. Whether it was "God" for thousands of years or the allies in WW1 and after. The only way we are going to get out of this xxxxhole is to fend for ourselves and put as little faith as we can in others.
              Hay boy/girl.... you feel you will always have no hope?Why do you think our own wars do not happen on our lands??? We know the way of peace/ Doubt all you like, but i know. i know of countries like yours. You are caught in a stramge situation. surrounded by muslim. If muslim want to be here, they have to live with christian. we do not steal individualisation, we give happiness.... take wars away... those that know nothing more can mock here.... but as a human, not christian, i will go.

              I do not feel; without hope.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by obi
                Why do you think our own wars do not happen on our lands??? We know the way of peace/ Doubt all you like, but i know... we do not steal individualisation, we give happiness.... take wars away... those that know nothing more can mock here....
                AHAHAHA OH MY GOD, ARE YOU SERIOUS?! YOUR COUNTRY (Britain) knows the way of PEACE?! Great Britain's history has been one friggen war!!!!! Seriously, I am a big fan of British history but you canNOT say Britain has done anything to foster peace over the centuries! Once you FINALLY settled your one thousand year series of wars with France, you were already imperializing half the globe! You forcefully subsuded with the barrel of your rifles half the world and had them suffer under imperialism! You went to Africa and shot the Zulu, you caused the Amritsar massacre in India, and so much else all across the world. And the Middle East problems you are currently fighting in? That's Britain's fault too, along with France, for carving those random tribes throughout the Middle East into mandates you could control! For example you formed Iraq out of the warring Sunni and Shiite groups, along with Kurds thrown in, and caused a situation that could not possibly end peacefully! It fascilitated the rise of Saddam the dictator, and now that its time to take it out civil war is soon to follow! HOW CAN YOU SAY BRITAIN CAUSES WORLD PEACE WHILE ARMENIA DOES NOT?! Britain has done one hundred times more to contribute to our current wars along with problems of the past, the one you call the most civilized peaceful nation seems to have done much more on the side of war!
                Last edited by IAmMadAtAC; 12-30-2004, 01:04 PM.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by IAmMadAtAC
                  AHAHAHA OH MY GOD, ARE YOU SERIOUS?! YOUR COUNTRY (Britain) !
                  you mean United Kingdome right?

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                  • #69
                    IAmMadAtAC

                    So who as the greater knowing??? More experience??? Try if you can to believe in good. Did you know that from God comes good??? Just try...
                    Last edited by obi; 12-30-2004, 01:08 PM.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by obi
                      IAmMadAtAC

                      So who as the gerater knowing??? More experience??? Try if you can to believe in good. Did you know that from good comes God??? Just try...

                      Please stop making silly remarks then bring in God to the picture just so you can justify your point. Please. I think he know good comes from God. And he has the ability to understand that and much MORE.
                      You can't hold a man down without staying down with him.

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