Poverty and possible solutions...

[Hayq]

People without a brain are very repetitve. They are unable to think beyond a small confined area and tend to be very repetitive. Let's see, who does that remind us of... perhaps a certain Hayq who is utterly set on seeing Armenia fall in the next 20 years despite the near impossibility of such things happen... someone who even when confronted with mounds of facts continues to make outrageous claims without backing them up with anything factual, or when he does throw out some figures they are either extremely overinflated and/or plain made up? I am certainly willing to concede that you have a brain, but you have yet to give us any reasons to believe that so far. Please stop basing all your arguements on near impossibilities like Armenia becoming a swirling vortex in the middle of the Caucausus in the next decade and that everything that is being done there is only making it worse. Instead, either give us real reasons to back up your claims, or at least have more of an open mind to the insane notion that just maybe not everything going on in the entire country is terrible.

Your facts that Armenia will be anything in the next 20 years are inconsistant with the Armenian population declining.

[obi]

People without a brain are very repetitve. They are unable to think beyond a small confined area and tend to be very repetitive. Let's see, who does that remind us of... perhaps a certain Hayq who is utterly set on seeing Armenia fall in the next 20 years despite the near impossibility of such things happen... someone who even when confronted with mounds of facts continues to make outrageous claims without backing them up with anything factual, or when he does throw out some figures they are either extremely overinflated and/or plain made up? I am certainly willing to concede that you have a brain, but you have yet to give us any reasons to believe that so far. Please stop basing all your arguements on near impossibilities like Armenia becoming a swirling vortex in the middle of the Caucausus in the next decade and that everything that is being done there is only making it worse. Instead, either give us real reasons to back up your claims, or at least have more of an open mind to the insane notion that just maybe not everything going on in the entire country is terrible.

Whether or not Armenia will be anything in the next 20 years is irrelivant. What can you do you do to help ??? Simple question suiting similar physical makeup.

[IAmMadAtAC]

Your facts that Armenia will be anything in the next 20 years are inconsistant with the Armenian population declining.

*SIGH* how many times have we had to tell you that the great exodus is stabilizing. Things in Armenia were certainly terrible which led to that, but things slowly will bounce back and people will return. You can't expect this to continue on, especially since the trend seems to be showing an upturn. It is still a major problem which I am very saddened by, but here's how you seem to have a very naive way of looking at it, namely:
(arbitrary number here) let's say one million Armenians have left Armenia in the past 10 years (not sure of the exact). You seem to be thinking that it means in the next 10 years, keeping with the current "trend", another 1 million will leave, and the next 10 years the last 1 million leaves, leaving Armenia empty. Then it will disappear as you say. Do you REALLY think that's possible? No! The first 10 years were very dire, there were so many awful problems. While of course there are still bad problems, I agree with you, you must admit some like 3 hours of electricity a day, no running water nearly all of the day, being thrust out of a Soviet system that had been stuck in for 70 years, and all kinds of reasons that made life unbearable are no longer major issues for most of the country. Nearly all of it has running water and 24 hour electricity now, and things are being improved. They are trying their best to adjust out of the Soviet system and people are getting the hang of independence. Things are slow, and people will still leave, but also many just go to Russia for work, and return part of the year. Life is much more bearable and people are willing to give Armenia a chance. The conditions that caused the exodus, while certainly not gone, are better than they were so you can't expect 1 million to leave per decade. Every decade is different.

[obi]

*SIGH* how many times have we had to tell you that the great exodus is stabilizing. Things in Armenia were certainly terrible which led to that, but things slowly will bounce back and people will return. You can't expect this to continue on, especially since the trend seems to be showing an upturn. It is still a major problem which I am very saddened by, but here's how you seem to have a very naive way of looking at it, namely:
(arbitrary number here) let's say one million Armenians have left Armenia in the past 10 years (not sure of the exact). You seem to be thinking that it means in the next 10 years, keeping with the current "trend", another 1 million will leave, and the next 10 years the last 1 million leaves, leaving Armenia empty. Then it will disappear as you say. Do you REALLY think that's possible? No! The first 10 years were very dire, there were so many awful problems. While of course there are still bad problems, I agree with you, you must admit some like 3 hours of electricity a day, no running water nearly all of the day, being thrust out of a Soviet system that had been stuck in for 70 years, and all kinds of reasons that made life unbearable are no longer major issues for most of the country. Nearly all of it has running water and 24 hour electricity now, and things are being improved. They are trying their best to adjust out of the Soviet system and people are getting the hang of independence. Things are slow, and people will still leave, but also many just go to Russia for work, and return part of the year. Life is much more bearable and people are willing to give Armenia a chance. The conditions that caused the exodus, while certainly not gone, are better than they were so you can't expect 1 million to leave per decade. Every decade is different.

So please, rather than argue solutions at hand,,, what are your beliefs???

[IAmMadAtAC]

So please, rather than argue solutions at hand,,, what are your beliefs???

Didn't I state them...? I believe we must of course continue to pursue making life better in Armenia so people won't leave, but also don't believe the current trend you speak of is extremely misleading. I firmly believe that the 1 million some that left in the past 10 years is the bulk of the exodus, and that while others will continue to leave it certainly won't be in the extreme numbers you claim it will continue to be in. I cannot go into the exact methods of solutions for Armenia's current problems because I don't know exactly what they all are.

[obi]

im just looking for someone with a brain, seeing as you obviously dont have one please stfu.
oh and its just absolutely lovely how you own threads now. you ARE a rich man.

Excuse me... In many forums when you are asked not to speak on the posters thread you adhere to this. Usually because you make diatribe postings such as your own. Think or sleep.

[obi]

Didn't I state them...? I believe we must of course continue to pursue making life better in Armenia so people won't leave, but also don't believe the current trend you speak of is extremely misleading. I firmly believe that the 1 million some that left in the past 10 years is the bulk of the exodus, and that while others will continue to leave it certainly won't be in the extreme numbers you claim it will continue to be in. I cannot go into the exact methods of solutions for Armenia's current problems because I don't know exactly what they all are.

So you do not think your recent parliament statement of "for now it might be better they leave.... " does not give out a message???

[Emil]

Tigran, please do me a favour, i am looking to chat with people that show a certain spark... and a certain enthusiasm. You do not fall into either, please do not post your comments on my threads >:-)

You don't decide who posts in your thread and who doesn't, ok? Thanks.

[obi]

You don't decide who posts in your thread and who doesn't, ok? Thanks.

Kool... so remove thread. When people cannot just respond as the thread asks, does that not make the thread pointless?

I am all for removing pointless things.

[Hayq]

*SIGH* how many times have we had to tell you that the great exodus is stabilizing. Things in Armenia were certainly terrible which led to that, but things slowly will bounce back and people will return. You can't expect this to continue on, especially since the trend seems to be showing an upturn. It is still a major problem which I am very saddened by, but here's how you seem to have a very naive way of looking at it, namely:
(arbitrary number here) let's say one million Armenians have left Armenia in the past 10 years (not sure of the exact). You seem to be thinking that it means in the next 10 years, keeping with the current "trend", another 1 million will leave, and the next 10 years the last 1 million leaves, leaving Armenia empty. Then it will disappear as you say. Do you REALLY think that's possible? No! The first 10 years were very dire, there were so many awful problems. While of course there are still bad problems, I agree with you, you must admit some like 3 hours of electricity a day, no running water nearly all of the day, being thrust out of a Soviet system that had been stuck in for 70 years, and all kinds of reasons that made life unbearable are no longer major issues for most of the country. Nearly all of it has running water and 24 hour electricity now, and things are being improved. They are trying their best to adjust out of the Soviet system and people are getting the hang of independence. Things are slow, and people will still leave, but also many just go to Russia for work, and return part of the year. Life is much more bearable and people are willing to give Armenia a chance. The conditions that caused the exodus, while certainly not gone, are better than they were so you can't expect 1 million to leave per decade. Every decade is different.

I know Armenians who leave and go to work in Irkutsk. IRKUSTSK FOR CHRiST's SAKE! Armenians are leavng Armenia and going to America and Russia, when they go there and see life is better, they stay. The only Armenians I know that are returning are old senior citizens who live off of the pay they get from the states. Every decade IS different, that means the next decades could be worse than they are now.