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    Is Turkey Going Islamist?

    by Daniel Pipes
    New York Sun
    June 7, 2005

    Is Turkey going Islamist? Is it on the road to implementing Islamic law, known as the Shari'a?

    I replied in the affirmative to these questions in a symposium at FrontPageMag.com a month ago. Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, I wrote, plans to undo the secular Atatürk revolution of 1923-34 and replace it with the Shari'a. I predicted the leadership of his Justice and Development Party (known by its Turkish initials, AKP) will use the democratic process only so long as this serves its purpose. It will circumscribe, or even terminate, political participation when the right moment comes. The end result, I predicted, could be an "Islamic Republic of Turkey."

    In the jargon of Turkey-watchers, I made the hidden-agenda argument about Mr. Erdoğan and the AKP. The Turkish press gave my comments wide publicity, more often than not disagreeing.

    Fortuitously, the Nixon Center and German Marshall Fund then invited me to join a Euro-American group for intensive discussions last week in Istanbul and Ankara with Turkish politicians, journalists, intellectuals, and business leaders. Making the trip more piquant, many of our interlocutors knew my views and quizzed me on them, then gave me quite an earful.

    Their arguments left me, I must admit, less certain of Mr. Erdoğan's intentions than when I arrived.

    The case for a hidden agenda starts with the fact that Erdoğan and many of his colleagues began their careers in an Islamist party explicitly seeking to undo the secular order of Turkey. They confronted what is colorfully known as the "deep state" (the military, judiciary, and bureaucracy – collectively, the keepers of Atatürk's secular legacy) and emerged the worse for it, sometimes ejected from high office or thrown into jail.

    The smarter Islamists learned from this experience and made changes. Those changes, it bears emphasis, were tactical in nature (i.e., pursuing their goals more subtly and slowly), rather than strategic (accepting the secular order). This fits a known pattern of Islamist dissimulation (for another example, recall Al-Qaeda's instructions to its adepts).

    Actions that confirm one's doubts about the AKP having changed goals since it came to power in late 2002 include attempts to criminalize adultery, to transform religious instruction at public schools into propaganda for Islam, and to loosen the penalties against free-lance Koranic instruction. Condemning Christianity as a polytheistic religion and purging members of the Alevi minority from the government's Religious Directorate also raise red flags.

    The case against the hidden-agenda argument notes that politicians do learn from their mistakes, they mature, and they change goals. If other politicians can evolve (think of Germany's foreign minister, Joschka Fischer, or Israel's prime minister, Ariel Sharon), why not the AKP leadership? No longer hotheads seeking to overturn the system, they now work within it. Limited efforts to the contrary, the AKP has not basically challenged the secular order.

    Interpreting the AKP can take on the quality of a sophisticated intellectual puzzle, with the same evidence lending itself to contrary explanations. Take the AKP's strenuous efforts to win acceptance as a full member of the European Union by bringing Turkish practices into conformity with EU standards. Does this fit the Islamist agenda by expanding the rights of religious practice and reducing the military's role in politics? Or does it fit the secular agenda by making Turkey more fully a part of Europe? Both can be argued.

    Some Turks don't bother to speculate about the AKP's intentions, holding that the party cannot overturn secularism in Turkey because of several factors: secularism's entrenchment and wide popularity; the deep state's ultimate power to thwart the Islamist agenda of elected governments; and the AKP's specific limitations. On this last point, the party combines several disputing factions and it has very fast grown large; both of these suggest that it cannot serve as a disciplined instrument for the ambitious project of overturning the existing order.

    In all, I now find the evidence insufficient to judge which way the AKP leadership ultimately wants to go – whether to stick permanently within the secular framework bequeathed by Atatürk or to overthrow it. Things might become clearer in 2007, assuming Mr. Erdoğan then becomes president of the republic, with all the powers that office confers.

    For the moment, Turkey's secular order remains robust; I cannot help, however, but expect a major struggle over its future course.

  • #2
    Originally posted by winoman
    Is Turkey Going Islamist?

    by Daniel Pipes
    New York Sun
    June 7, 2005

    Is Turkey going Islamist? Is it on the road to implementing Islamic law, known as the Shari'a?

    I replied in the affirmative to these questions in a symposium at FrontPageMag.com a month ago. Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, I wrote, plans to undo the secular Atatürk revolution of 1923-34 and replace it with the Shari'a. I predicted the leadership of his Justice and Development Party (known by its Turkish initials, AKP) will use the democratic process only so long as this serves its purpose. It will circumscribe, or even terminate, political participation when the right moment comes. The end result, I predicted, could be an "Islamic Republic of Turkey."

    In the jargon of Turkey-watchers, I made the hidden-agenda argument about Mr. Erdoğan and the AKP. The Turkish press gave my comments wide publicity, more often than not disagreeing.

    Fortuitously, the Nixon Center and German Marshall Fund then invited me to join a Euro-American group for intensive discussions last week in Istanbul and Ankara with Turkish politicians, journalists, intellectuals, and business leaders. Making the trip more piquant, many of our interlocutors knew my views and quizzed me on them, then gave me quite an earful.

    Their arguments left me, I must admit, less certain of Mr. Erdoğan's intentions than when I arrived.

    The case for a hidden agenda starts with the fact that Erdoğan and many of his colleagues began their careers in an Islamist party explicitly seeking to undo the secular order of Turkey. They confronted what is colorfully known as the "deep state" (the military, judiciary, and bureaucracy – collectively, the keepers of Atatürk's secular legacy) and emerged the worse for it, sometimes ejected from high office or thrown into jail.

    The smarter Islamists learned from this experience and made changes. Those changes, it bears emphasis, were tactical in nature (i.e., pursuing their goals more subtly and slowly), rather than strategic (accepting the secular order). This fits a known pattern of Islamist dissimulation (for another example, recall Al-Qaeda's instructions to its adepts).

    Actions that confirm one's doubts about the AKP having changed goals since it came to power in late 2002 include attempts to criminalize adultery, to transform religious instruction at public schools into propaganda for Islam, and to loosen the penalties against free-lance Koranic instruction. Condemning Christianity as a polytheistic religion and purging members of the Alevi minority from the government's Religious Directorate also raise red flags.

    The case against the hidden-agenda argument notes that politicians do learn from their mistakes, they mature, and they change goals. If other politicians can evolve (think of Germany's foreign minister, Joschka Fischer, or Israel's prime minister, Ariel Sharon), why not the AKP leadership? No longer hotheads seeking to overturn the system, they now work within it. Limited efforts to the contrary, the AKP has not basically challenged the secular order.

    Interpreting the AKP can take on the quality of a sophisticated intellectual puzzle, with the same evidence lending itself to contrary explanations. Take the AKP's strenuous efforts to win acceptance as a full member of the European Union by bringing Turkish practices into conformity with EU standards. Does this fit the Islamist agenda by expanding the rights of religious practice and reducing the military's role in politics? Or does it fit the secular agenda by making Turkey more fully a part of Europe? Both can be argued.

    Some Turks don't bother to speculate about the AKP's intentions, holding that the party cannot overturn secularism in Turkey because of several factors: secularism's entrenchment and wide popularity; the deep state's ultimate power to thwart the Islamist agenda of elected governments; and the AKP's specific limitations. On this last point, the party combines several disputing factions and it has very fast grown large; both of these suggest that it cannot serve as a disciplined instrument for the ambitious project of overturning the existing order.

    In all, I now find the evidence insufficient to judge which way the AKP leadership ultimately wants to go – whether to stick permanently within the secular framework bequeathed by Atatürk or to overthrow it. Things might become clearer in 2007, assuming Mr. Erdoğan then becomes president of the republic, with all the powers that office confers.

    For the moment, Turkey's secular order remains robust; I cannot help, however, but expect a major struggle over its future course.
    Mr. Copy/Paste, don't you have any other hobby but Turkey, Turks?
    Take care with your children, go to cinema, etc.
    Try to forget Turks.

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    • #3
      : cycle goes like this...

      they make kurds public (giving them right to show themselves in political life and so) so that we Turks can find someone to hate then they put them in jail and take back all the rights they have been given...it is like giving 5 and taking back 8... for example police silently watch a group of kurds walking with the poster of this idiot apo guy (very unusual)... but that doesnt mean police and other Turks will forget it... i am sure they all took pictures of the demonstrators...


      now comes the islamist idiots... they are on public now... and we know who is who... it doesnt matter if they go slow or fast... they are all marked.. they will have some rights at the first hand and they will become noisy and they will be silenced methodically... they cannot do much harm with a few koran classes only compromise themselves publicly..


      thats what i think and hope... you know we really have a very deep state...

      we will never be islamist state..if we happen to be one i will apply Armenian Government to accept me as a citizen... boh i hate any kind of radical religious people.. i think they have a big hole in their character...

      You dont know the power of the Deep Side
      Last edited by Otto; 06-08-2005, 11:03 AM.

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      • #4
        Yeah I hear you. But don't discount the power of the Islamisists - they understand grassroots organization and are financed by the Saudis. I could not fail to notice in a number of Turkish towns a few years back Islamic organizations giving out food and medicine and such for free...

        ..also the power of Islam even in urban areas such as Istanbul (where they had won the mayorship no?) is increasing more then might be imagined (for such a supposedly European/cosmopolitan city).

        It is interesting that Ackam discounts this Islamic "Threat" to Turkey - though after all his critiscisms he is a patriotic Kemalist at the core. He claims that the Islamisists have in fact converted from essentially revolutionaries to ones who work within the State structure. I am inclined to use Ackams own cautions against himself to say that one must no think of all who profess to believe the same to in fact be the same or to be of the same mind...so one just does not knwo at this point.

        One can confortably say however that the cracks of/in Kemalism have grown such that they can not be fixed by a slap or two of mortar...so which will it be? Which direction will your nation go - and can violence (on a large scale) be avoided...somehow I think not...shame - as no one ever wishes for such...even upon the Turks really...I can feel for those who might get caught up in this (as most Turks are alright)...though a few less genocide deniers could be a welcome thing...

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        • #5
          when the time comes i hope every body will remember we are Turks first...secondly we are muslim..actually i am not a muslim... but most Turks are... deep state can use our dislike against arabs to secure the islam thing..i dont know whats gonna happen really... but as islamist AKP is if you happen to examine Turkey's politics there is no difference between right wing or the left wing when it comes to the main subjects.. they just try to make believe that they are working for muslims just to satisfy their voters.. and also it is a shame that they cannot change much with so many congressman( i dont know what you call them) they got 360 chairs of 550 in congress and they can do nothing much.. Kemalism is cracking but we never have a real understanding of Kemalism and i think it is just a name for us and if we loose it it wont make much difference...we will find something to fill the gap and we are nationalists more than we are religious so its gonna be nationalism coming and its gonne blow over the minorities again... i hope i made some sense...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by winoman
            Yeah I hear you. But don't discount the power of the Islamisists - they understand grassroots organization and are financed by the Saudis. I could not fail to notice in a number of Turkish towns a few years back Islamic organizations giving out food and medicine and such for free...

            ..also the power of Islam even in urban areas such as Istanbul (where they had won the mayorship no?) is increasing more then might be imagined (for such a supposedly European/cosmopolitan city).

            It is interesting that Ackam discounts this Islamic "Threat" to Turkey - though after all his critiscisms he is a patriotic Kemalist at the core. He claims that the Islamisists have in fact converted from essentially revolutionaries to ones who work within the State structure. I am inclined to use Ackams own cautions against himself to say that one must no think of all who profess to believe the same to in fact be the same or to be of the same mind...so one just does not knwo at this point.

            One can confortably say however that the cracks of/in Kemalism have grown such that they can not be fixed by a slap or two of mortar...so which will it be? Which direction will your nation go - and can violence (on a large scale) be avoided...somehow I think not...shame - as no one ever wishes for such...even upon the Turks really...I can feel for those who might get caught up in this (as most Turks are alright)...though a few less genocide deniers could be a welcome thing...
            Do you like to feel yourself as intellecual? If so I recommend you to copy/past from serious articles, not Akcam,etc.
            Actually I recommend you to to go cinema. Have you seen star wars?

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            • #7
              karakitap is a muslim

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              • #8
                Well, if you are really obsessive about this Turkey issue and refuse to go to cinema instead, I may give you some references for serious readings. (btw, reading not copy/past ok?)
                You may start with Erik J. Zurcher, Bernard Lewis, Lord Kinross,Stefanos Yerasimos, etc.

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                • #9
                  Hey wini is out. Probably he is searching google and looking for some bad things about Turkey to copy/paste.

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                  • #10
                    wini is cool... but copy and paste habit he has ( Yoda)

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