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a turkophile jewish pseudo-intellectual writing about islamism in turkey in a neocon rag like the new york sun should serve as a reminder to both turks and armenians about how things really work in the world. to the turks: these people have done your bidding in the u.s. congress/british parliament and in the media to influence world opinion in your favor for decades. here's wolfowitz on cnn:
the man knows this is a flat out lie. but then again, this is what neocons, being the lowest form of life on the planet, do. they can make americans believe anything they want, no matter how hideous the lie is. i was going to write out a catalogue of all the jewish head-giving to turks, but it looks like http://www.semitism.net/node/view/129 already did:
the helping hand of a good friend indeed. the reality however is that you as turks are only of use to these people as long as you keep islamists out of power in your country. this protects their own entrenched interests and keeps things warm and cozy for them. otherwise, as soon as they start to feel threatened, from discussions about the role of jews in turkish history and manifestations of anti-semitism boiling over into the realm of public debate, they will burn you very badly. witness the jonathan pollard article about anti-americanism in turkey from a few months ago in the wall street journal. also witness the extensive interview frontpage magazine, the publication of neocon spiritual godfather david horowitz, carried with vahakn dadrian not too long ago. (seeing that article for the first time made my eyes bleed - i hate the neocons as much as i do you denialist turks, but i guess the exposure is good at least).
i have a feeling that the topic of the jewish role in the young turk movement is a sensitive one in turkey. zurcher, despite his bland analyses of turkish history, nevertheless gives you some interesting information: the pan-turkist member of the ittihad, tekin alp, whom he describes in his book turkey: a modern history as one of the most ardent turkish nationalists among the cup and author of the "best known formulation of pan-turkist aims" of the period, was in fact jewish, born moiz cohen in 1883. why would someone born a jew change his name to "tekin alp" and become an ardent turkish nationalist? maybe for the same reason we have jews with nice american-sounding names like daniel pipes and bernard lewis who are ardent american nationalists.
think alp was the only jew involved in the ideological justification of the armenian genocide? zurcher gives you another one (p.129):
nationalization of the economy means murder the most economically successful elements of the society (and also rivals to jews), armenians and greeks, and expropriate their wealth. get into positions of power in the media and government in order to popularize your murderous ideas, then sit back and let the titular group do the grunt work. it works the same in 2003 (u.s. w/ iraq) as it did in 1915. the trick is to infiltrate societies with racist, murderous tendencies: anglo-saxon trailer trash and turks fit the bill quite nicely. just how did helphand think his "nationalization of the economy" idea would actually be carried out? does anyone think he wasn't privy to the discussions taking place in salonika about liquidating the armenians? what a joke.
to the armenians on this site, realize that neocons are only interested in the armenian genocide to the extent it can help them spread anti-muslim (but really anti-arab) hysteria. this is so they can justify to americans sending $3 billion worth of military equipment to israel every year for removing the rest of the palestinians from the west bank and gaza. the daniel pipeses, david horowitzes and stormfront crowd were around during the cold war and pre-9/11. where were they on the AG then, when there were many more survivors around? (there are barely any now - the majority of them died w/out getting any sense of closure). it's not like they would have never heard about it. as soon as turkey comes back into the fold and cleans up its anti-semitism problem the neocons will be right back there with them. armenians are too swarthy for these people to care about their mass murder. besides, armenians were always a threat to jews economically, the economic historian braudel even says it (wheels of commerce, p. 154-5):
I think a real test of whether a country is a democracy is how it treats its minorities. And actually it's one of the things that impress me about Turkish history - the way Turkey treats its own minorities."
On April 10, 2001, Shimon Peres said: "If we have to determine a position, it should be done with great care so as not to distort the historical realities. We reject attempts to create a similarity between the Holocaust and the Armenian allegations. Nothing similar to the Holocaust occurred. It is a tragedy what the Armenians went through, but not a genocide."
The Jerusalem Report reports on Turkish and Jewish denial of the Armenian Genocide, and interviews a Turkish Jew by the name of Jak Kamhi who says, "Countering the so-called genocide is more important for the Jews in the Diaspora and Israel than the Turks ... It is not something you can compare to the Holocaust and the genocide that happened in Europe. You can speak about a drama, about many other things, but not about a genocide. That happened in Europe."
The Israeli government to this day continues its denial of the Armenian Genocide. When Yossi Sarid gave a speech and described the 1915 events as genocide, the government was quick to state that it was Mr. Sarid's personal opinion, not the official opinion/position of the State of Israel.
Ricahard Perle, a Jew, worked on defeating a resolution for the recognition of the Armenian Genocide in 1989.
The director of the American Jewish Committee, Barry Jacobs said, "We will champion to the best of our ability Turkish interests in the US Congress".
Joseph Leitmann has repeatedly talked about helping Ankara "improve its image, diminish the accusations of Armenian and Greek lobbying groups".
Cheryl Kagan, of Maryland, and also on the board of the American Jewish Committee, called the Armenian Genocide "an alleged massacre".
The "Museum of Tolerance" bowed to Turkish demands and refused to include an exhibit on the Armenian Genocide.
The USHMM (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum) makes no mention of the Armenian Genocide on its website, but it does have information on Rwanda and Darfur.
Bernard Lewis, a denier of the Armenian Genocide, is Jewish.
Meanwhile in Israel, as The Daily Star reports,
"With a hint of bitterness, he shows the remains of posters detailing the Armenian Genocide glued to walls among the street and torn down, he says, by passing Jews.
""Sometimes they write 'big lie' over them", he says."
AIPAC, AJC(ommittee), AJC(ongress), ADL have all lobbied in support of Turkey on numerous occasions, and have come under fire from the ANC (Armenian National Committee) for that.
The Jerusalem Report reports on Turkish and Jewish denial of the Armenian Genocide, and interviews a Turkish Jew by the name of Jak Kamhi who says, "Countering the so-called genocide is more important for the Jews in the Diaspora and Israel than the Turks ... It is not something you can compare to the Holocaust and the genocide that happened in Europe. You can speak about a drama, about many other things, but not about a genocide. That happened in Europe."
The Israeli government to this day continues its denial of the Armenian Genocide. When Yossi Sarid gave a speech and described the 1915 events as genocide, the government was quick to state that it was Mr. Sarid's personal opinion, not the official opinion/position of the State of Israel.
Ricahard Perle, a Jew, worked on defeating a resolution for the recognition of the Armenian Genocide in 1989.
The director of the American Jewish Committee, Barry Jacobs said, "We will champion to the best of our ability Turkish interests in the US Congress".
Joseph Leitmann has repeatedly talked about helping Ankara "improve its image, diminish the accusations of Armenian and Greek lobbying groups".
Cheryl Kagan, of Maryland, and also on the board of the American Jewish Committee, called the Armenian Genocide "an alleged massacre".
The "Museum of Tolerance" bowed to Turkish demands and refused to include an exhibit on the Armenian Genocide.
The USHMM (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum) makes no mention of the Armenian Genocide on its website, but it does have information on Rwanda and Darfur.
Bernard Lewis, a denier of the Armenian Genocide, is Jewish.
Meanwhile in Israel, as The Daily Star reports,
"With a hint of bitterness, he shows the remains of posters detailing the Armenian Genocide glued to walls among the street and torn down, he says, by passing Jews.
""Sometimes they write 'big lie' over them", he says."
AIPAC, AJC(ommittee), AJC(ongress), ADL have all lobbied in support of Turkey on numerous occasions, and have come under fire from the ANC (Armenian National Committee) for that.
i have a feeling that the topic of the jewish role in the young turk movement is a sensitive one in turkey. zurcher, despite his bland analyses of turkish history, nevertheless gives you some interesting information: the pan-turkist member of the ittihad, tekin alp, whom he describes in his book turkey: a modern history as one of the most ardent turkish nationalists among the cup and author of the "best known formulation of pan-turkist aims" of the period, was in fact jewish, born moiz cohen in 1883. why would someone born a jew change his name to "tekin alp" and become an ardent turkish nationalist? maybe for the same reason we have jews with nice american-sounding names like daniel pipes and bernard lewis who are ardent american nationalists.
think alp was the only jew involved in the ideological justification of the armenian genocide? zurcher gives you another one (p.129):
there were a few people who drew attention to the semi-colonial position of the ottoman empire and to the naivete of young turk economic policies, advocating a much more nationalist economic policy. chief among them was alexander helphand, also known by his pen-name parvus. helphand was a russian jew who had emigrated to germany as a young man and joined the socialist movement there.
after the 1905 revoluation in russia, he had returned and served on the st. petersburg soviet together with trotsky. after 1912 he combined the function of journalist, german agent, arms dealer and marxist intellectual, settling in istanbul. as an orthodox marxist, he did not advocate a socialist revolution for the empire (seeing it as irrelevant for a country without an industrial proletariat), but he advocated nationalist economic policies and the building of an indigenous merchant and industrial bourgeoisie in a number of influential articles in the journal turk yurdu (turkish homeland).
parvus' ideas gained in influence from 1913 onwards. in the context of the national mobilization after the bab-i ali coup, the state, now completely dominated by the cup, began to intervene more actively in the economy. in the following years this new direction evolved into the policies of milli iktisat (national economy), in which nineteenth century german industrialization served as an example. any nationalist economic programme could, of course, be fully implemented only if the government was master in its own house first and abolished the capitulations which kept it in a subordinate position to europe. this chance came with the outbreak of the great war in 1914.
after the 1905 revoluation in russia, he had returned and served on the st. petersburg soviet together with trotsky. after 1912 he combined the function of journalist, german agent, arms dealer and marxist intellectual, settling in istanbul. as an orthodox marxist, he did not advocate a socialist revolution for the empire (seeing it as irrelevant for a country without an industrial proletariat), but he advocated nationalist economic policies and the building of an indigenous merchant and industrial bourgeoisie in a number of influential articles in the journal turk yurdu (turkish homeland).
parvus' ideas gained in influence from 1913 onwards. in the context of the national mobilization after the bab-i ali coup, the state, now completely dominated by the cup, began to intervene more actively in the economy. in the following years this new direction evolved into the policies of milli iktisat (national economy), in which nineteenth century german industrialization served as an example. any nationalist economic programme could, of course, be fully implemented only if the government was master in its own house first and abolished the capitulations which kept it in a subordinate position to europe. this chance came with the outbreak of the great war in 1914.
to the armenians on this site, realize that neocons are only interested in the armenian genocide to the extent it can help them spread anti-muslim (but really anti-arab) hysteria. this is so they can justify to americans sending $3 billion worth of military equipment to israel every year for removing the rest of the palestinians from the west bank and gaza. the daniel pipeses, david horowitzes and stormfront crowd were around during the cold war and pre-9/11. where were they on the AG then, when there were many more survivors around? (there are barely any now - the majority of them died w/out getting any sense of closure). it's not like they would have never heard about it. as soon as turkey comes back into the fold and cleans up its anti-semitism problem the neocons will be right back there with them. armenians are too swarthy for these people to care about their mass murder. besides, armenians were always a threat to jews economically, the economic historian braudel even says it (wheels of commerce, p. 154-5):
armenian merchants had colonized the whole of persia. indeed it was from their base in julfa, the bast and busy suburb of isfahan where shah abbas the great had confined them, that they set out to conquer the world. very early, they had made their way right across india - notably if report is accurate, from the indus to the ganges and the bay of bengal. but they were also to be found in the south, in portuguese goa, where, like the french and spanish merchants, in 1750 or so, they borrowed money from 'the convent of the poor clares'. armenian traders also crossed the himalayas and reached lhasa, trading from here to the chinese frontier almost a thousand miles away. but they virtually never crossed it. oddly enough, china and japan seem to have been closed to them. but the armenian merchant was a familiar figure, from very early on, in the spanish phillipines; and an ubiquitous one in the great turkish empire, where he turned out to be a pugnacious rival for jewish and other merchants. on the european side, the armenians had reached musovy, where they were well placed to develop companies handling raw silk from iran, which changed hands many times as it crossed the length and breadth of russa, to archangel and to neighbouring countries. armenians settled permanently in muscovy and travelled its interminable roads as far as sweden, which they had also reach with their merchandise by way of amsterdam. they had prospected the whole of poland and even more germany, where they were prominent at the leipzig fairs. they turned up in the netherlands, in england, and in france. they were comfortably settled in italy by the seventeenth century, starting with venice, as a part of the relentless invasion by eastern merchants which was so characteristic of the late sixteenth century...
Let's hope! It will probably destabilize TEMPORARILY SO CALLED Turkey. It will easier to dismantle a destabilized Islamist country!
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