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  • #51
    Originally posted by Anonymouse
    Had do you know that? Have you spoken to "most people"? Are you psychic? I know it's part of being a communist, but please don't claim to speak for everyone.
    Ah,forgive me for not seeing that we live in a capitalist paradise where everyone is happy and we all hope that nothing should change in this world so everything can stay so perfect.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by Red Brigade
      Ah,forgive me for not seeing that we live in a capitalist paradise where everyone is happy and we all hope that nothing should change in this world so everything can stay so perfect.
      Remember, you claimed to know what most of humanity thinks. You must have psychic powers like Marx did. Apparently it wasn't capitalism, but Marxism, that has been relegated to the dustbin of history.
      Achkerov kute.

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      • #53
        Originally posted by Anonymouse
        Remember, you claimed to know what most of humanity thinks.
        I am sure the Africans and Asians or even South Americans who are the majority of earth's population must be very happy.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by Red Brigade
          I am sure the Africans and Asians or even South Americans who are the majority of earth's population must be very happy.

          As we are not psychic there is no way to know whether or not entire population groups are happy. Furthermore, entire population groups can never be either happy or sad, as they are comprised of individuals with differing views, tastes, opinions, and situations. But then again, the virulent ideology of Marxism is against the individual and replaces it with the masses and their dead weight.
          Achkerov kute.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by Otto
            i think you should give us time to establish democracy because people one day woke up and found themselves in a democratic nation back in 1923. people had no idea of democracy (still dont) only Atatürk did and ordered us to be democratic... it is because we are afraid of everything and see everything as a threat ( songs in kurdish etc) and forget about democracy instantly...we are more like national socialists i guess
            Wrong. People did not woke up and find themselves with new democratic values one day. It is both historically and sociologically impossible. Turkey democracy (or lets say parliement and constitution) experience since 1839 when Tanzimat is proclaimed and officially give rights to the citizens. The first constitution is proclaimed and the parliement is opened at 1876.
            And, "democracy" as how we know today is a very new idea for all the world. Besides UK, France and USA most of the western world was not a democracy since WW2. Since Turkey started a real democracy after 1946, it is not a late time comparing to Germany, Austria, etc. most of European countries.
            So Turkey has a long experience about democracy, legality, etc. notions.
            But if you ask as is this historical background enough to be a real democracy, I say no. Turkey is still challenging with a lot of problems. There are still things that Turkey have to do to be a real democracy. Turkey is not a democracy like USA, UK. But also noone can claim that half of the Europe like Balkan states except Greece, central european countries, etc is more democratic than Turkey.
            BTW I did not add countries out of category like Armenia to the list since Armenia needs at least 100 years of experience like Turkey to become a democracy.

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            • #56
              Originally posted by Anonymouse
              What is the point of proclaiming yourself, internationally, as a "democracy", if you must be forced to be "democratic." It's not much of a democracy if it has to be forced.

              Granted, I do not like democracy, and it is entirely overrated, I do, however, see a lack of it in your country. Turkey is a democracy in rhetoric.
              Hmm, I smell a bit of jealousy.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by karakitap
                Hmm, I smell a bit of jealousy.
                Maybe you should take a shower. I can smell it all the way from Turkey.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by karakitap
                  Besides UK, France and USA most of the western world was not a democracy since WW2.

                  WHAAAAAT

                  - You don't have your facts straight.

                  - You're trying to lower western european countries to the same level as Turkey. *shivers

                  Choose your option.....

                  And let me add that the post-WW2 setting was much less favourable for democracy.




                  Speaking of democracy....there's one book Turks are really found of right now ...

                  Mein Kampf ....
                  Last edited by !IKE; 06-12-2005, 10:50 AM.

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                  • #59
                    i read mein kampf... if you put the arian stuff aside it is not so bad....you should also spare a little time to read if you havent read it... no harm comes from reading a book (mummy episode 1)

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by Otto
                      i read mein kampf... if you put the arian stuff aside it is not so bad....you should also spare a little time to read if you havent read it... no harm comes from reading a book (mummy episode 1)




                      You know what freaks me out?

                      this:

                      Originally posted by Otto
                      if you put the arian stuff aside
                      some not so wise would replace this "arian stuff" by...hmmm lets take a wild guess

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